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Pal testifies that Zimmerman said Martin grabbed his gun
Fox ^ | July 02, 2013

Posted on 07/02/2013 10:04:19 AM PDT by Red Steel

George Zimmerman's best friend and the author of a book defending him said the neighborhood watch volunteer told him Trayvon Martin went for his gun as the two grappled in a gated community in Florida last year.

Mark Osterman took the stand in Zimmerman's second degree murder trial and told jurors what Zimmerman recounted to him when he picked him up from the Sanford Police station after the Feb. 26, 2012 incident.

"Somehow I broke his grip on the gun when the guy grabbed between the grip and hammer," Osterman, author of "Defending our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America," said, quoting a Zimmerman he described as "stunned" and "detached. ...

Earlier Tuesday, the lead police detective who investigated the shooting, took the stand for a second day and said the defendant's story remained consistent throughout the investigation. Sanford Police Det. Christopher Serino, who initially wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter but was overruled,

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 07/02/2013 10:04:19 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Cementing the not guilty verdict in the jury’s minds, which is coming....


2 posted on 07/02/2013 10:06:29 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
So six-foot-tall Saint Trayvon *was* armed with at least one piece of concrete and was attempting to become armed with a firearm.Osama Obama’s son? Sounds about right to me.
3 posted on 07/02/2013 10:07:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Red Steel

How is this not hearsay?


4 posted on 07/02/2013 10:08:17 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Red Steel

If the jury is honest, it will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman.


5 posted on 07/02/2013 10:09:08 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Jewbacca

Admission against interest is an exception to the hearsay rule.


6 posted on 07/02/2013 10:09:12 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: JackOfVA

How is that against his interest? It fits his story.


7 posted on 07/02/2013 10:10:10 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Red Steel
Cementing the not guilty verdict in the jury’s minds, which is coming...

Although any reasonable person with an IQ greater than 80 would vote "not guilty" I'll bet ya 10 bucks that none of the six jurors meets those standards and will,as a result,convict him.

Whaddya say...are we on?

8 posted on 07/02/2013 10:10:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Red Steel

Is there a recording?? If not...I’d call it literary license...despite the quotes.


9 posted on 07/02/2013 10:10:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Red Steel

And Fox News is STILL using the 12-year-old innocent little Trayvon photos, when we all know he was a 17 year old grown thug.


10 posted on 07/02/2013 10:11:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Jewbacca

its against the interests of the prosecutor (who called the witness) ?

I am guessing... I am not a lawyer and don’t even play one on TV (and I didnt even sleep at a holiday inn express last night)


11 posted on 07/02/2013 10:13:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

All it takes is one to hang the jury.

The Defense has that.


12 posted on 07/02/2013 10:13:49 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Red Steel

“There also was conflicting testimony from neighbors that witnessed parts of the struggle between Martin and Zimmerman. Some said it appeared the larger Zimmerman was straddling Martin, but neighbor Jonathan Good said it appeared Martin was on top.”

“SOME SAID,” Zimmerman was on top. They have more than one witness who says this? I haven’t heard of even one, let alone two. Have I missed something or is this made up, wishful thinking?


13 posted on 07/02/2013 10:14:10 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Jewbacca

It is hearsay. However, used to show consistency in that Zimmerman - according to the witness - told him how the shooting went down in the immediate aftermath and can be compared to his recounting of the same story to others.

It isn’t being admitted as evidence. It’s this guy’s story, but can be compared to actual evidence such as Z’s interview statements.

Rachel Jenteal was also a “hearsay” type of witness. She had no way to independently verify that what Trayvon was saying on the phone was true, she wasn’t there, she was Trayvon’s friend and therefore biased etc.


14 posted on 07/02/2013 10:16:04 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". - Glenn Beck)
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To: Red Steel

Look at the last line people. The detective who wanted to initially charge him and let the DA sort it out admitted to the court that Zimmerman’s testimony was consistent throughout.


15 posted on 07/02/2013 10:16:09 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Zimmerman’s story is AFTER the shot he rolled out from underneath Martin and got on top of him to hold his arms away from his body..


16 posted on 07/02/2013 10:18:08 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Jewbacca
All it takes is one to hang the jury.

Very true.

The Defense has that.

Care to back that up with ten bucks? (not *real* bucks,or course)

17 posted on 07/02/2013 10:18:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

If I recall correctly - and can stand corrected if wrong - the same witness also said that she heard THREE gunshots, a “pop pop pop”.

Totally discredited testimony as the gun was proven to have only fired once.


18 posted on 07/02/2013 10:18:26 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". - Glenn Beck)
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To: Jewbacca
How is this not hearsay?

He is testifying to what George Zimmerman said to him.

He is not testifying to events at which he was not present.

The testimony establishes that Zimmerman has not given different people different stories.

19 posted on 07/02/2013 10:20:07 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Standing Wolf

Statements of party/opponent are not hearsay.


20 posted on 07/02/2013 10:22:11 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Standing Wolf
If the jury is honest, it will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman

That's a mighty big if...

21 posted on 07/02/2013 10:22:35 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: Red Steel

Every significant state witness for the prosecution gets effectively crossed and impeached on the stand. It is about over.


22 posted on 07/02/2013 10:23:05 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The news hear is that Sanford Police Det. Christopher Serino who wanted to charge Zim with Manslaughter, was not overruled because of the facts, but on interpretation of the law. Also, he in no way thought second degree murder.


23 posted on 07/02/2013 10:26:57 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Zimmerman himself said* that, after the shot, he got out from under Martin and straddled him, thinking Martin was still dangerous.
* see the video of the re-enactment
24 posted on 07/02/2013 10:27:04 AM PDT by expat2
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To: txrangerette

See post #24


25 posted on 07/02/2013 10:27:46 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Red Steel

Think: Casey Anthony.

Nothing will give me complete confidence that Zimmerman will be found not guilty. No matter how many witnesses or how much evidence back up his story. My heart sank when I heard that it is an all women jury.


26 posted on 07/02/2013 10:28:44 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Gay State Conservative

< Although any reasonable person with an IQ greater than 80 would vote “not guilty” I’ll bet ya 10 bucks that none of the six jurors meets those standards and will,as a result,convict him. >

Every time i think about high-profile juries nowadays, i start wondering what their NSA files have in them. Sad.


27 posted on 07/02/2013 10:34:37 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Some said it appeared the larger Zimmerman was straddling Martin

IIRC, after Martin was shot, Zimmerman testified (in the recording) that he did get on top briefly and hold him down. I think Martin was face down at the time which would mean that GZ slipped out from under him.

28 posted on 07/02/2013 10:39:02 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: expat2; Doctor 2Brains

Oops...didn’t see your comment before making mine.


29 posted on 07/02/2013 10:40:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

“There also was conflicting testimony from neighbors that witnessed parts of the struggle between Martin and Zimmerman. Some said it appeared the LARGER Zimmerman was straddling Martin, but neighbor Jonathan Good said it appeared Martin was on top.”

I wonder about Zimmerman being larger than Martin. Sure he is bigger now that he gained some weight but all the pictures I’ve seen of him after this happened showed him being much smaller. And Martin was 6 ft+ wasn’t he?


30 posted on 07/02/2013 10:40:52 AM PDT by happilymarriedmom
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To: Red Steel

“George Zimmerman’s best friend and the author of a book defending him said the neighborhood watch volunteer told him Trayvon Martin went for his gun...”

I find the gun grab to be the shakiest part of this story. Seems way too convenient to justify the shooting. Martin grabs the gun, Zim notices it while being beaten senseless, gets Martin’s hand off it, draws and shoots? Seems unlikely unless Martin saw the gun being drawn tried to grab it and failed. Its easy to have your perception of events be wrong during stress.


31 posted on 07/02/2013 10:42:17 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: submarinerswife

Exactly....Excellent post.


32 posted on 07/02/2013 10:43:59 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Proud mommy on homepage....)
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To: Standing Wolf

True, but they are human and will fear for their safety and being hated by blacks and ridiculed and harassed constantly by the media by if they acquit. Honesty may have to take a back seat. We will see.


33 posted on 07/02/2013 10:44:37 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I don’t find it shaky at all. Zimmerman’s jacket slides back, exposing the gun, they both reach for it, a tussle ensues and Zimmerman wins. Not hard to imagine at all.


34 posted on 07/02/2013 10:47:17 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Standing Wolf
If the jury is honest, it will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman?

If the jury are fair enough, they will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman.

If the jury have conscience, they will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman.

35 posted on 07/02/2013 10:56:29 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: Red Steel

Hope so. but given what I know about juries. we won’t know for sure until the verdict is read.


36 posted on 07/02/2013 10:59:43 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: txrangerette

True.

The best reporting on the trial that I’ve found is here:

http://legalinsurrection.com/

(no, it’s not my blog.)

The prosecution basically has no case, their own witnesses back up the defendant’s story, let alone never coming close to overcoming the “reasonable doubt” standard.

Those low-information voters who are getting their take on this trial from the MSM and lefty websites are getting a different story than what is being presented to the jury.

And the defense hasn’t even started their case yet.


37 posted on 07/02/2013 11:12:38 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: hamboy

After seeing the Prosecution playing the Hannity interview, I think I have this figured out.

The prosecution has known all along that the original inditement was bogus and they would never convict.

So the goal is to appease the blacks with a trial and at the same time publicize and show how very clearly innocent Zimmerman is, all to avoid an excuse for riots and looting.


38 posted on 07/02/2013 11:15:52 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Jewbacca
How is this not hearsay?

It is, but it's the best testimony available indicating Zimmerman's credibility.

39 posted on 07/02/2013 11:27:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Apparently the judge has tossed Serino's statement because one witness isn't allowed to give an opinion on the credibility of another witness.
40 posted on 07/02/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tactical Awareness. Use your brain. Then bring the pain.)
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To: DanielRedfoot

Guess what? Even if the prosecution said, “Your honor, nobody in this courtroom think Zimmerman murdered Trayvon. I spoke with the parents and, after hearing all this, THEY now believe Zimmerman acted in self defense....”

THERE WILL STILL BE RIOTS.

There is no stopping the riots. Hell, they may riot if he’s found guilty. I can’t even be sure they won’t in THAT case.


41 posted on 07/02/2013 11:37:31 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby

Agreed....


42 posted on 07/02/2013 11:45:13 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Mr. K
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43 posted on 07/02/2013 11:54:56 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Red Steel

You have a lot of faith in low info women voters of Florida.


44 posted on 07/02/2013 1:27:58 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

One out of six will do.


45 posted on 07/02/2013 1:56:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: hamboy
I would like to see the following question from the jurors as soon as they are in deliberations:

"What will the state do to protect us after we have reached a verdict?"

46 posted on 07/02/2013 2:01:01 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“I don’t find it shaky at all. Zimmerman’s jacket slides back, exposing the gun, they both reach for it, a tussle ensues and Zimmerman wins. Not hard to imagine at all.”

The more I think about this the more questions I have. I assume the gun was in a waistband holster at or behind the hip. There is a guy mounted MMA style across his chest, stomach or waist. In any case Martin’s knees or legs would be covering Zim’s waist/gun. How would Marthin see the gun? How could Zim draw? Especially when someone is punching his face.


47 posted on 07/02/2013 2:06:09 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: hamboy
I left a word out of my original statement:

If the jury is honest, it will have no choice to to acquit Zimmerman.

If I'd proofread my statement more carefully, I'd have added:

If the jury is honest, it will have no choice but to to acquit Zimmerman.

That's all the difference in the world! Sorry for the confusion, everyone!

48 posted on 07/02/2013 3:09:37 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
“At that point, Zimmerman said Martin jumped out from some bushes and attacked him and that Zimmerman fell to the ground. Zimmerman said he yelled for help as Martin began hitting Zimmerman’s head against the sidewalk.

“I said ‘Help me. Help me. He's killing me,’” Zimmerman said. He then told the police investigator that Martin replied: “You're going to die tonight.”

Zimmerman said he struggled with Martin. As they fought, Zimmerman said his clothes were pushed up enough to show his gun. Zimmerman said he thought Martin was reaching for the weapon so the neighborhood watch volunteer said he shot Martin.

“You got me,” the teenager said, Zimmerman told the officer.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-police-interview-20130701,0,343480.story

Whether or not Martin actually reached or the gun, or lunged but didn't touch it, or whatever, is immaterial. Zimmerman was threatened with death, thought Martin was going for the gun, and defended himself. I'm not going to lose sleep over the mechanics of the scuffle.

49 posted on 07/02/2013 4:01:23 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Mr. K

fox has been sliding bit by bit over to the dark side.


50 posted on 07/02/2013 6:27:50 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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