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George Zimmerman 'hoped recording of Trayvon Martin fight would exonerate him'
The London Telegraph ^ | July 2, 2013 | Jon Swaine, New York

Posted on 07/02/2013 4:42:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

George Zimmerman, the neighbourhood watch captain accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was "elated" that their fight might have been recorded on video, as he believed it would exonerate him, a court has heard.

Mr Zimmerman was shocked to learn that he had killed Trayvon Martin and told police that it was "always wrong to kill someone" according to his Roman Catholic faith, detectives told the jury in his trial.

Mr Zimmerman, 29, is charged with the second-degree murder of Trayvon, a black 17-year-old returning from the supermarket to a house he was visiting in Mr Zimmerman's gated estate, in February 2012.

A 44-day delay last year before the arrest of Mr Zimmerman, who is half-Peruvian, led to allegations of police racism, protests around the US and an intervention from President Barack Obama.

Mr Zimmerman, who says he was following Trayvon as he suspected him of preparing to commit a crime, denies murder and claims that he shot the teenager in self-defence after being violently attacked.

A recording of a police interview played to the court showed Detective Chris Serino telling him: "There's a possibility that whatever happened between you and him is caught on videotape." "I prayed to God that someone videotaped it," said Mr Zimmerman, "or the neighborhood had put up a video camera that I didn't know about".

Detective Serino told the court that the defendant seemed "very elated" at the prospect. "Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar," he said, adding that he did in fact believe him....

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; trayvon; zimmerman
Most of this looks to be pointing towards the defense's version. And why do we have to hear the more important facts from the foreign press?
1 posted on 07/02/2013 4:42:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Trayvon’s father first heard the recording of the scream, he said, “That’s not Trayvon’s voice.”


2 posted on 07/02/2013 4:45:51 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Detective Chris Serino telling him: "There's a possibility that whatever happened between you and him is caught on videotape."

A reminder that it's SOP for cops to just make up whatever lies they want.

3 posted on 07/02/2013 4:48:10 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
...it was "always wrong to kill someone" according to his Roman Catholic faith,...i

I'm not a translator and don't know the Hebrew language. So can anybody explain why English Roman Catholic Bible versions used the kill sense of Hebrew word (ratsach) in 5th Commandment when other senses of that Hebrew word clearly indicate murder?

4 posted on 07/02/2013 5:05:29 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yup,I heard that.IMO it’s huge.Talking to the cops without a lawyer present? How many of those actually guilty of murder...or any serious crime...do that? Only an innocent person does that.Only an innocent person expresses hope that photos/videos of an incident were taken to prove his innocence.

But we don't know how smart...how brave...or how unbiased the jurors are.We *do* know that the prosecution wanted a mirror image of the OJ jury.Did they get what they wanted? Time will tell.

5 posted on 07/02/2013 5:08:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if there is any NSA recording of this fight. Ain’t they snooping the streets and phones and internet? I guess if Obdinga had anything to support his son Trayvon it would be all over the compliant press by now. Maybe the forgery press will manufacture something to nail Zimmerman. Oh! They already tried that.


6 posted on 07/02/2013 5:13:40 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And why do we have to hear the more important facts from the foreign press?

Because.... they can't be audited by the IRS ?

7 posted on 07/02/2013 5:24:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

guilty people, on hearing they were recorded, do not say thank god somebody recorded what happened. all the witnesses agreeing with zimmerman’s account of what happened show he’s not a pathological liar, so his expression was one of an guy telling the truth.


8 posted on 07/02/2013 5:30:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think we all agree that if George Zimmerman is exonerated, as he should be, that the blacks will riot.

Now here is my question, if George Zimmerman is found guilty, which would really be a travesty of justice, will Hispanics riot?


9 posted on 07/02/2013 5:41:54 PM PDT by SilverMine (ever member of congress should be horse whipped)
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To: SilverMine

No.


10 posted on 07/02/2013 5:42:36 PM PDT by sport
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To: SilverMine

“Now here is my question, if George Zimmerman is found guilty, which would really be a travesty of justice, will Hispanics riot?”

I think it would just go to show how biased America is against Hispanics, and that they just need to be made citizens already. /sarc (But you KNOW someone will bring that up).


11 posted on 07/02/2013 5:50:11 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Slyfox

I am trying to figure out the credibility of the people involved.
1. Trayvon’s future step brother calls him and Trayvon says he is on his way home. Future step brother calls Trayvon again and does not get an answer; but does not seemed concerned because he never tried to contact him again or anyone else. At least that we know of.
2. Friend RJ is on the phone with Trayvon and says Trayvon is concerned and she hears a hard breathing man approaching him, hears a bump and wet grass and the phone cuts out. When asked why she didn’t do anything when she couldn’t reach Trayvon again; her response was he said he would call me back or I would call him back. That is two different stories.
3. Dad and girlfriend come home and Trayvon is not there. No concern again? Finally about 8:30am the next day Dad calls to file a missing persons report and says he last saw Trayvon at about 8:30pm the night before; Trayvon does not know anyone in the area. Then he does an interview with People magazine and says he thought he was with a nephew at the movies? In the taped recording he said Trayvon didn’t know anyone in the area.
If your 17 year old was not home when they should be, wouldn’t you make as many calls as needed to find out where they are?

George has told the same story over and over again with very little differences.

The one thing that I am not clear on however, is the fact that GZ says he had TM face down with his hands spread out on the ground. But have also heard that TM was found face down with his hands beneath him. Not sure how his hands would be beneath him if GZ was restraining him with hands spread out.

Could TM position changed when the officer lifted him up to look for the bullets exit? Not sure.

Any insight on this?


12 posted on 07/02/2013 6:05:18 PM PDT by JMOH
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To: JMOH

“Not sure how his hands would be beneath him if GZ was restraining him with hands spread out.”

I think it was in the testimony to Sernio that Z says he restrained him, then the guy with the flashlight came up. Z thought it was the cops (who he called) and got up off of Martin as he figured the “cop” would deal with him. And then I think a real cop did show up in a minute or two.

I’m guessing Z restrained Martin and after a little bit realized that he wasn’t putting up a struggle, trying to flee, etc. so got up to let the “cop” deal with it. And then, after seeing it wasn’t a cop, but also seeing that Martin wasn’t going anywhere - didn’t restrain him further. But Martin still had enough in him to pull his hands to his chest wound. Speculation I know. Not sure I would phrase it like this to the jury. No matter how much of a punk - the actions and thoughts going through someone as they die makes even me a bit sympathetic to them to a certain degree.


13 posted on 07/02/2013 6:16:18 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: jiggyboy
I agree but “a possibility” isnt a lie. You can find personal cameras in almost every neighborhood and almost everyone has a camera phone so there indeed was “a possibility” during that time in the investigation.
14 posted on 07/02/2013 6:18:44 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This Serino is a real piece of work.

Even after a full year of listening to the NEN call he still testified that GZ was told not to follow while he was still in the car — even though he was there at the reenactment when GZ told them specifically that he was at the T when told that.

And then he says that there was evidence that he followed him afterwards. When asked to name the evidence he says the location of the altercation. What???

And this was the lead investigator. A year later and he still can’t get his facts straight.


15 posted on 07/02/2013 6:22:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SilverMine
Now here is my question, if George Zimmerman is found guilty, which would really be a travesty of justice, will Hispanics riot?

No. I expect random beat-downs (AKA "The Knock-out Game") will become gradually more prevalent as the feral youts come to understand they cannot be defended against. Areas of oppressive gun control laws will be hardest hit.

16 posted on 07/02/2013 6:29:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m confused a little about this reenactment. Did they show it unedited, or did they just show bits and pieces? It’s not a very good reenactment it if just the Cliff’s Notes version.


17 posted on 07/02/2013 6:35:39 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: varyouga

Semantics. Serino knew of no video, but told Zimmerman there was “a possibility” in order to elicit a response. That’s a lie, a kind one can expect in a police “interview.”


18 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SilverMine
I think we all agree that if George Zimmerman is exonerated, as he should be, that the blacks will riot.
Now here is my question, if George Zimmerman is found guilty, which would really be a travesty of justice, will Hispanics riot?

Hispanics will not, IMO. Those blacks who are itching to riot, will do so in celebration.

19 posted on 07/02/2013 6:41:21 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Amendment10
The King James Bible has "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20.13; Deuteronomy 5.17). That is a Protestant translation.

The Septuagint renders the Hebrew with ou phoneuseis--(phoneuo is translated as "murder," "kill," "slay").

20 posted on 07/02/2013 6:41:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cyber Liberty

They only edited out a few of Serino’s comments. Otherwise it is pretty much complete.


21 posted on 07/02/2013 7:01:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: varyouga

In this instance it was a lie. He wasn’t talking about the possibility that some video camera somewhere in the complex had recorded it, he was saying that it might be on TM’s phone, which he ominously placed on the table:

“And one of his hobbies happens to be the videotaping of everything he does. OK. He has, has a library, very impressive, going through his phone, we got a little bit, but the battery died. We’re still working on that. There’s a possibility that whatever happened between you and him is caught on videotape. And this is going to be our final interview. I’m not gonna talk to you any more after this. We’re good, you know what I’m saying? That right there, that’s his cell phone.”

https://www.txantimedia.com/?p=1025

He knew there was no video. At best, he had no idea whatsoever whether there was video on there or not. That’s a lie, in the same way that I might tug on a your sleeve at the bar and say there’s a “possibility” that your wife is cheating on you — but to protect other people I really shouldn’t tell you why I think that. (Pretending that they couldn’t read the phone’s memory because the battery was dead is another obvious lie. You usually don’t even need the phone to read the phone’s memory card.) He was just guessing — hoping would be a more correct word — that GZ was telling some lie about what had happened.

Under cross examination, O’Mara asked him, “You lied, right, told Zim you found camera footage of that night...?” Serino does not deny that it was a lie.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-trial-day-6-analysis-video-serino-testimony-challenges-very-foundation-of-states-charge/


22 posted on 07/02/2013 7:13:21 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy; varyouga
I'm reading through that whole transcript and I see that Serino doubles down -- later he says it's "a strong possibility", which is even more of a lie. Then we have this: "Another thing too as far as 25 and 30 punches, I’ve consulted with a lot of people, not quite consistent with your injuries." For exactly the same reasons, that too is a lie -- because all the testimony except for today's paid shill was that it absolutely IS consistent with his injuries, which means it's a certainty that he lied that he "consulted with a lot of people". Finally re TM, "He's not on drugs". One, yes he was, and two, Serino either knew that he was indeed on drugs, or had no idea whatsoever.
23 posted on 07/02/2013 7:39:41 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

24 posted on 07/02/2013 7:52:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: JMOH
Could TM position changed when the officer lifted him up to look for the bullets exit? Not sure. Any insight on this?

I really have no idea about that. The thing I have been paying attention to is who claims whose voice is the one screaming out. Trayvon's dad (stepdad?) initially said that the scream was not from Trayvon and no one is making any big deal about it.

25 posted on 07/02/2013 8:38:08 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

thanks


26 posted on 07/02/2013 8:56:14 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Slyfox

In my opinion GZ has a soft spoken voice. When the one witness said she thought it was TM because it sounded like a younger soft voice I can’t say for sure it would be TM. Did you hear how deep the 15 year old kids voice was? Although we have not heard TM’s voice.


27 posted on 07/02/2013 9:10:47 PM PDT by JMOH
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To: JMOH
The thing about a parent is they can tell their child's voice from another kid's voice. It is really hard for anyone else to really 'know' that voice as well as the parent even an expert with a Phd and a bunch of fancy equipment.

And Trayvon's dad said the scream did not come from Trayvon.

28 posted on 07/02/2013 9:21:22 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: jiggyboy

Don’t Talk To Police
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


29 posted on 07/02/2013 10:24:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’m thinking that Mr. Obama could ask Prime Minister Cameron to get Inland Revenue to talk to them. OTOH, the press is more independent in Britain than here, from what I’ve heard.


30 posted on 07/02/2013 10:34:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: SilverMine

Mr. Zimmerman is white, Hispanic and black. We could ALL riot and have the Asians hold our coats! LOL


31 posted on 07/02/2013 10:35:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Oatka

Oddly enough, during the Rodney King riots, hispanics were supposedly the majority of the rioters.


32 posted on 07/02/2013 10:49:47 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Amendment10
The KJB used 'kill' for the 5th commandment.

It was used to cover more then murder.

33 posted on 07/03/2013 12:13:26 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Cyber Liberty
No. I expect random beat-downs (AKA "The Knock-out Game") will become gradually more prevalent as the feral youts come to understand they cannot be defended against. Areas of oppressive gun control laws will be hardest hit.

I agree with you, or at least that's how I think it will start.

34 posted on 07/03/2013 5:35:18 AM PDT by SilverMine (ever member of congress should be horse whipped)
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To: jiggyboy

The Home Owners Association paid a lot of money to Trayvon’s parents. If they had kept the cameras in working order they might have saved themselves a million bucks—and the State of Florida millions to conduct this show trial.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 8:14:20 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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