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Democrat Rips ‘Black English’ On Fox: Black Leaders ‘Have To Stop Making Excuses’ For Rachel Jeantel
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Posted on 07/02/2013 6:55:19 PM PDT by chessplayer

Fox and Friends’ Gretchen Carlson led a panel discussion Tuesday morning addressing the now-controversial speech of Rachel Jeantel, the chief witness for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman trial. Carlson took issue with linguist John McWhorter’s defense of Jeantel’s speech as an articulate use of “Black English,” and asked if such a description was “possibly offensive.”

“Anthropologists, historians, they will say Black English is a language,” Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene said, adding:

“It’s not a language that’s gonna get you to graduate from high school, to go to college, to find a job, or to keep a job. We have to stop making excuses for this type of conversation that is happening in our communities. All too often we have leaders, like John McWhorter, talking about the history and talking about where it comes from, but like the slave trade, where this language is based from, it should be a thing of the past. It should be okay for people who have a platform, especially African Americans in the media who have a platform, to say this is unacceptable. This is not how our children should be learning. This is not the best way to move them forward”

“I assume you’ll take hits for saying that,” Carlson said.

“Absolutely,” Greene said. “Jesse Jackson did when he called it something like ‘garbage dialect.’”


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1 posted on 07/02/2013 6:55:19 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Its not a language, it is ignorance. They make excuses for it. Everything that corrupts and is wrong will be normalized, while the normal is called hate and offensive.

Why would language be different?

They will bring out the new Tower of Babel.


2 posted on 07/02/2013 6:58:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: chessplayer

Democrats created the situation.


3 posted on 07/02/2013 6:59:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

In the first century AD, if you didn’t speak Latin well, you were a savage and an outcast.

When in Rome.......


4 posted on 07/02/2013 7:00:12 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: chessplayer
You will be trashed if you call out young black men for wearing their pants halfway down to their knees.

You will be trashed if you point out the documented problems with black-on-black violence.

You will be trashed for pointing out the rampant number of blacks born out of wedlock.

You will be trashed if you point out how most blacks denigrate any black who tries to get an education.

In other words, you will be trashed for telling the truth.

And any culture that trashes truth-telling is a cesspool, be it black urban culture or Islamic culture.

5 posted on 07/02/2013 7:01:57 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: chessplayer

My impression of her was that she had done way too many drugs and had lost her ability to speak in coherent sentences, or the she was high.


6 posted on 07/02/2013 7:03:17 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: gotribe

she didn’t lose what she likely never had


7 posted on 07/02/2013 7:04:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: chessplayer

Any time Jesse Jackson opens his mouth and starts his mumbling and jumbling and trying to make ever other word rhyme like a preacher every word he says should be closed captioned on TV. The average person, white or black, can barely understand what Jackson is saying. And the illiterate, disrespectful “star witness” for Martin should have definitely been closed captioned. She sounded like someone who quit school after the 2nd grade. And on top of that she was a smart-ass that should have been warned by the judge to straighten out her attitude or kicked out of the courtroom.


8 posted on 07/02/2013 7:04:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: GeronL

Blacks are their own worst enemy. Whenever any one of them from the hood tries to climb out, they are either dragged down by the bros and hoes or ostracized for acting white.


9 posted on 07/02/2013 7:04:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: chessplayer

I still have to wonder if the prosecutors aren’t blowing this case because they didn’t want to prosecute it to begin with. You know they deposed this woman and knew she can’t speak English and can’t read or write. On top of that, she wasn’t even a witness.


10 posted on 07/02/2013 7:06:16 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: chessplayer

well Trayvon’s girlfriend might be a nice upstanding person
but speaking the way she does in EBONICS shows her to be a person of low education and less capable of intellectual capacity. Hey, I am from Brooklyn— so if I spoke like Archie Bunker or the Bowery Boys all the time— what cache or intellectual credibility would I have?


11 posted on 07/02/2013 7:06:28 PM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: chessplayer

I saw this.

Ms. Greene was quite articulate and sincere and was taking no excuses. She said the bad language was a relic of slavery and should be just as gone.

Was really remarkable.


12 posted on 07/02/2013 7:06:51 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: chessplayer
Where was Barbara Billingsley when we needed her?


13 posted on 07/02/2013 7:06:54 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The left totally approves of that too


14 posted on 07/02/2013 7:07:03 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Nimrod, the son of Satin himself, is desperately trying to rebuild that tower.

Nimrod, the reaper of men’s souls, is actively trying to rebuild that tower.

And he IS succeeding.

God destroyed the tower and dispersed the people through language diversity. To rebuild the tower, Satin’s sons need to normalize and standardize the language down to the least common denominator. Text messages anyone?

Twitter and Tweet?

I’ll stop now, its late.


15 posted on 07/02/2013 7:07:35 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: chessplayer

Rachel Jeantel. In the dictionary, the definition is: 1. Epitome of a large part of the Democrat constituency.


16 posted on 07/02/2013 7:07:46 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: dirtboy

I just heard the other day that some whites call blacks who wear their pants down to their knees “saggin”. Spell it backwards. I’ve never heard that. I try to live a quiet life.


17 posted on 07/02/2013 7:07:59 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Regulator

The slaves didn’t have 12 years of free schooling, they had a good excuse.


18 posted on 07/02/2013 7:08:16 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: chessplayer

Well lessee. America is being taken over by mooseSlimes and messycans. When they complete their confiscation of power, ‘da black man be outta luck.’ Cause the immigrant could give a rat’s rip about the black experiment.


19 posted on 07/02/2013 7:08:47 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: cripplecreek

Absolutely true - democrat created.

Language like this did not exist in the black community where today it is more and more “cool” to speak poor English.

Yes, in the south there were some black dialects, but nothing close to what is promoted within the hood today.

I know. I lived in the hood. I worked in the hood.


20 posted on 07/02/2013 7:09:11 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: chessplayer

Jehmu Green should have tied in the poverty industry with “ebonics”, or should learn about it. A lot of people make a lot of money by treating blacks like herd animals; there is a whole political/educational/social service industry around the phenomenon (and those are the people who would defend that illiterate sow).


21 posted on 07/02/2013 7:09:29 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

bump


22 posted on 07/02/2013 7:09:57 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: dirtboy

It will the black “leaders” who trash truth telling but only because the media gives them a platform.


23 posted on 07/02/2013 7:10:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: chessplayer

How many of you have ever gone to the drive window of a fast food place and tried to place an order. Like listening to a foreign language......best you can do is “what the hell give me two of them.”


24 posted on 07/02/2013 7:10:09 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: Arlis

Now the democrats are doing the same to whites.

Keep them ignorant and illiterate so they can’t survive off the plantation.


25 posted on 07/02/2013 7:10:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m suprised Jesse didn’t call it ‘young dung tongue’.


26 posted on 07/02/2013 7:12:16 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: GeronL
It isn't a language - it is a dialect, like Cockney.

In Europe it is considered impolite to speak dialect in public instead of in the common tongue, unless one is sure that everyone present speaks the dialect.

27 posted on 07/02/2013 7:13:13 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: chessplayer

Continue to sound like you are from the ‘hood and you can guarantee you will never get far from it.


28 posted on 07/02/2013 7:13:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: True Grit

In my area (northeastern NJ) it is a foreign language; many blacks and whites lost those jobs to Hispanics. The whole staff (100% of them), except the manager - he’s an Arab (always a “he”).

I’m not kidding.


29 posted on 07/02/2013 7:14:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Arlis; cripplecreek

Conformity on steroids. Step out of the role, and you will be ostracized.


30 posted on 07/02/2013 7:15:12 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: dirtboy

They’re ‘teens’ dammit!


31 posted on 07/02/2013 7:15:37 PM PDT by glock rocks (Stand up!)
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To: chessplayer
Sounds like to me that the blacks have a real problem with English. Must be the fantastic liberal public schools. But she will graduate in not already has.
32 posted on 07/02/2013 7:16:37 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: GeronL

I once called 911 here in Philly (don’t remember the indecent) but after several attempts, i asked the person on the other end of the phone to speak English because i could not understand a word she said.


33 posted on 07/02/2013 7:18:19 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: NKP_Vet

“And the illiterate, disrespectful “star witness” for Martin should have definitely been closed captioned.”

They’ve started using this on some of our news broadcasts here in NJ, where they are interviewing some recent arrival from the Third World speaking in broken English. It is odd because you can often understand what they are trying to say, and the subtitles still show up on the bottom of the screen like you are watching a BBC newscast from Africa or something like that...


34 posted on 07/02/2013 7:18:44 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: chessplayer

I saw that segment and it is the ONLY time I have EVER agreed with her. Other than that....I can’t stand her.


35 posted on 07/02/2013 7:19:05 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: chessplayer
“Anthropologists, historians, they will say Black English is a language,” Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene said...

Tell me, what in the world is a "Democrat strategist" doing on a panel discussing Rachel Jeantel's grammar?

Could it be because a teenager's speech patterns and her testimony in a court case is...political?

Lenin was right: "Everything is political."

36 posted on 07/02/2013 7:19:26 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: kearnyirish2

soon those who speak actual english will need the subtitles and captions in Jive or Ebonics or whatever


37 posted on 07/02/2013 7:20:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: kvanbrunt2

wow.


38 posted on 07/02/2013 7:20:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: True Grit
What? You have trouble with Spanish accents? That's who works FF here
39 posted on 07/02/2013 7:21:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: GeronL

“soon those who speak actual english will need the subtitles and captions in Jive or Ebonics or whatever”

Only if they actually deal with people speaking
English like 3 year-olds; many people in their everyday lives never see these people, and would only do so if they got a hankering for White Castle or something similar (which less people that can read an ingredients label would ever eat anyway).


40 posted on 07/02/2013 7:23:35 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Hoodat

Years ago one of the Tuskegee airmen spoke at the men’s club breakfast at our church. I was only about 14 or 15 at the time but I clearly remember being surprised at his lack of ebonics.


41 posted on 07/02/2013 7:23:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kvanbrunt2

I live in a suburb and it has taken a whole minute to get them to answer the phone.


42 posted on 07/02/2013 7:25:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: wideawake

Wish they had known that when I lived in Yorkshire, UK. Made no concessions for me, love. LOL! Had to get hubby to translate for about three months.


43 posted on 07/02/2013 7:26:04 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: GeronL

If businesses can’t get enough people to speak real English, they’ll look to technology to solve this problem. Look at that Dragon software; a Hispanic who jumped the fence three weeks ago should be able to compose a perfect letter in English with it (it takes the incoherent ramblings and tries to structure it into sentences). In my area one of the large chain convenience stores has laid off the older American women that used to make the sandwiches and replaced them with Hispanic drones who you never speak to (they only stare blankly at you if you attempt to do so). You key in what you want on your sandwich (including quantity for ingredients), and on the other side of the counter it is either showing up on a screen either in Spanish or as pictures (I suspect the latter, because many of our illegal aliens here in NJ are illiterate in Spanish).

Business will dedicate untold resources to make money.


44 posted on 07/02/2013 7:28:25 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: chessplayer

When I was a child in Scotland, I spoke barely intelligible broad Scots among my peers, but at home, or among elders, I spoke proper English, grammatically correct, too, or suffered the consequences. Michael Caine would be a case in point...he often portrays the gentry in films and speaks with a very refined accent, but was a slang talking Cockney in real life. Giving those speaking ebonics the benefit of the doubt, maybe when they are with their parents, teachers, authority figures, etc., they speak properly and its just a phase they will grow out of as they mature.


45 posted on 07/02/2013 7:30:17 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: dirtboy
if this keeps up, in a couple more generations they will be reduced to slapping their forehead while grunting and pointing to what they want

46 posted on 07/02/2013 7:32:58 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cripplecreek

Years ago I worked in a company here in NJ that had several offices in the South, especially Georgia and Virgina. When many of those people came to visit our headquarters up here in NJ, I was pleasantly surprised that many of them were black. Not only was their speech flawless, but in BSing on the phone they had the same issues and concerns as “regular” people. Without meeting them in person I would have never known they were black.


47 posted on 07/02/2013 7:33:58 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: LouAvul
Posted by a bright Hispanic lady in Philly a couple of months ago:

African Americans have long refused to ask the question about why so many African Americans revert to violence and crime. As a young Hispanic woman, I have been looking for an answer to that question regarding members of my own ethnicity.

When misguided Liberal politicians treat human beings like they treat animals in a zoo -- by feeding them, clothing them, housing them, training them and taking care of their medical needs -- then why does it surprise us when those human beings revert to animal-like violence? After all, part of the human experience is to take responsibility for one's actions. When the government takes this responsibility, you no longer know how to behave.

Language, cultural differences and poverty don't cause this. After all, there are many different minority groups that are a segment that are poor but for whom the statistics vary little in terms of criminal activity. And, of course, there have been many poor people in this country for centuries who didn't laugh when they beat up a woman.

This is a result of the "new slavery" -- in which certain segments of society are in chains to the bones of welfare that are thrown to them by some politicians who long for power.

When a large segment of a culture is willing to forsake their longstanding moral and religious views on issues like abortion and the goals of homosexual activists by voting in the pro-abortion or pro-homosexual activist politicians simply because those politicians promise a few more entitlement perks, then that culture will go into a steady decline.

If you don't believe me, then I dare you to walk through the government projects in any major city after 10 PM at night. If you feel any less safe than walking in the suburbs or small-town America, then you aren't being honest with yourself.

Not sure where I found it or what story or comment it was in response to, but seems to back up what you're saying.

48 posted on 07/02/2013 7:36:04 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Animal Farm meets 1984 in A Brave New World. Crony capitalism, chaos and control.)
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To: chessplayer

‘John McWhorter’s defense of Jeantel’s speech as an articulate use of “Black English,”’

I don’t suppose anyone has ever asked linguist John McWhorter for an example of the inarticulate use of “Black English”. I’d like to see and hear the difference.


49 posted on 07/02/2013 7:36:39 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Whenever any one of them from the hood tries to climb out, they are either dragged down by the bros and hoes or ostracized for acting white.”

Yep. They are called “oreos”.

.


50 posted on 07/02/2013 7:36:44 PM PDT by Mears
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