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TWA 800 an accident, say investigators.
Fox News/ AP ^ | 7/02/2013 | AP

Posted on 07/03/2013 4:13:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill

Current and former federal officials who played key roles in the investigation of one of the nation's worst aviation disasters said Tuesday they stand by their conclusion that the explosion of TWA flight 800 was caused by overheated fuel tank vapors, and not a bomb or missile.

The officials spoke to reporters at a briefing on the National Transportation Safety Board's four-year investigation following the explosion and crash of the Boeing 747 off Long Island, N.Y., on July 17, 1996, killing all 230 people on board. The board took the usual step of organizing the briefing on an investigation that has been closed for years. That's in response to a new documentary film set to air this month on the 17th anniversary of the tragedy. The film says new evidence points to the often-discounted theory that a missile strike may have downed the jumbo jet.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/02/twa-800-accident-say-investigators/?test=latestnews#ixzz2XyoJDbTM

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1 posted on 07/03/2013 4:13:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

Right.

/rolleyes


2 posted on 07/03/2013 4:14:43 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: null and void

Ping to Nut Job Conspiracy...


3 posted on 07/03/2013 4:14:53 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

Our believable government. The brazenest lie ever.


4 posted on 07/03/2013 4:17:56 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: carriage_hill

Too late...the truth has already rolled out.


5 posted on 07/03/2013 4:18:08 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: carriage_hill

They LIED for Clinton, and then the US was attacked
because of their abdication on 911.

THEY BELONG IN PRISON for misprision of felony
and aiding al Qaeda
(even if it is in vogue in the White Hut).


6 posted on 07/03/2013 4:18:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: carriage_hill

then why does no one believe this?


7 posted on 07/03/2013 4:23:41 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Westbrook

From the article:

“One of the former investigators who signed the petition, Hank Hughes, was in charge of reconstructing the interior of the aircraft cabin for NTSB from debris recovered from the ocean. Hughes said the board “completely discounted” the accounts of more than 200 witnesses who say they saw a streak of light heading toward the plane before it broke apart.

Standing in the rain outside the NTSB briefing, Hughes also said the plane’s reconstructed fuselage — which reporters were allowed to view after the briefing — has holes consistent with what would be expected from missile shrapnel. Reporters weren’t able to see the holes, he said, because they were on the opposite side of the reconstructed plane, facing away from the board’s briefing area.

Hughes offered no explanation why his former colleagues would deliberately ignore important evidence.

“As far as motivation, who did what and why, we didn’t get into that,” he said. “I don’t know.”

Sooooo, 200+ witnesses didn’t see what they saw. Still.


8 posted on 07/03/2013 4:25:08 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill
I don't know exactly what happened to TWA Flight 800 that night, but after reading many comments from pilots I'm almost 100% certain that it didn't happen the way the government investigators claimed it did.

The fact that you had the FBI and CIA involved in an airline disaster investigation, and that the CIA felt compelled to produce an animated video of an explosion/crash sequence that was comical to anyone who had flown an airplane, made this thing suspicious from the get-go.

9 posted on 07/03/2013 4:25:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Timber Rattler; onedoug

It’s why I haven’t flown commercial since 1996. If I can’t drive there (I also CCW), I’m not going.


10 posted on 07/03/2013 4:26:59 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

What are those Long Islanders going to believe, the official report, or their lying eyes?


11 posted on 07/03/2013 4:30:32 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: carriage_hill

If the cause was really the faulty wiring in the center fuel tank of the plane, why weren’t Boeing 747s grounded world-wide to correct the problem?


12 posted on 07/03/2013 4:32:23 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: carriage_hill

We were watching the news the night it happened, and heard from multiple eyewitnesses that night. I call bullshit on this. These people are covering their butts. They really have no choice.

It’s Clinton’s fault. He demanded the coverup for election purposes IMO.


13 posted on 07/03/2013 4:33:03 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: carriage_hill
Of COURSE it was an accident ...

They meant to scare 'em ... not shoot 'em down.

oops ... sorrey.

14 posted on 07/03/2013 4:34:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: OldNewYork

The Gov’t sure doesn’t want any eyewitnesses messing-up the “official story”, does it?


15 posted on 07/03/2013 4:34:34 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

The fuel tank explosion explanation also raises the question of why all 747’s worldwide were not grounded until a fix could be effect.


16 posted on 07/03/2013 4:35:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: JohnG45

BINGO! Now they take a worldwide fleet of 787s out-of-service because of a warm battery?


17 posted on 07/03/2013 4:36:32 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

What does the NSA say?


18 posted on 07/03/2013 4:38:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: carriage_hill

If this case was so cut and dried, why did the government threaten multiple witnesses who contradicted the official story?

The government has been proven many times now to have lied, not just about this case but in many cases; the latest being the “rogue” IRS agent story. Once someone is shown to be a compulsive lier, you can never trust anything they say. The government now exists not to serve the people, but to protect itself from the people.


19 posted on 07/03/2013 4:38:02 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: rockinqsranch

Well, it seems that we are all in agreement...


20 posted on 07/03/2013 4:38:08 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: carriage_hill

“It’s why I haven’t flown commercial since 1996. If I can’t drive there (I also CCW), I’m not going.”
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Well, I forget the exact statistic, but I think you are about seven times more likely to die in a car crash.
My last three flights were on Qatar, a Muzie airline.
They are not likely to kill their own.
By the way, Qatar, along with a few other muzie airlines, rank in the top five airlines of the world.
American carriers do not even make it in the “also ran” category....sad.


21 posted on 07/03/2013 4:39:36 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Paladin2

I’d like to see what they have on this. Probably, gigaflops of data.


22 posted on 07/03/2013 4:40:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

All these eye witness accounts were lies. All lies.

23 posted on 07/03/2013 4:41:01 AM PDT by McGruff (I need a new party.)
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To: AlexW

Statistically, it IS much safer to fly than drive; I agree. But I don’t like not being in control of what I’m doing/riding in. Just me.


24 posted on 07/03/2013 4:44:23 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: AlexW

Lots of articles & numbers here to affirm what you said:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=safer+frlying+than+driving&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


25 posted on 07/03/2013 4:46:22 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill
It's a "Who's in charge" question combined with the fact that an individual either makes it or not.

Zero or One; there's no percentage on a given trip.

26 posted on 07/03/2013 4:51:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: carriage_hill

Are the investigators suggesting there was any chance at all they were going to come out and say oh we lied back then? If not then there was no purpose for this briefing.


27 posted on 07/03/2013 4:57:11 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: carriage_hill

More federal lies. Our government has proved itself totally and completely untrustworthy.

LLS


28 posted on 07/03/2013 4:57:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: AlexW; carriage_hill

There is a youtube video of a time lapse look at the entire world. You can see parts of the planet go from darkness to daylight.

It shows, as a moving yellow dot, the flight of every logged flight in the world. You can see the sparse traffic as the sun sets and the traffic pick up as the sun rises. You can see the “highways in the sky” from california and Seattle to hawaii and many others. But the continents become almost solid yellow in daylight.

The amount of traffic is staggering. This happens every single day. Yet how many commercial airliner crashes have there been in the last 20 years?

I’ve been in severe turbulence and say to my fellow passengers, “this is the part of the ride you should have to pay extra for”. It’s a blast.


29 posted on 07/03/2013 4:57:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I was living in the NYC area and the local media were all over this story moments after it happened.

The number of eyewitnesses cannot be discounted so easily. There is also a military pilot who has seen missiles in combat, who was flying that night and testified he saw a missile.

The amount of evidence that is discounted “out of hand” is troublesome.


30 posted on 07/03/2013 5:02:02 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: carriage_hill

“But I don’t like not being in control of what I’m doing/riding in. Just me.”
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You may be in control of YOUR car, but you are not in control of the car that may kill you.
BTW...pretty tough to drive from the USSA to another continent.


31 posted on 07/03/2013 5:04:30 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: carriage_hill
Being a Freeper when TWA 800 happened, I remember the first speculation was that a Naval exercise was going on at the time of the TWA 800 incident, which included a surface to air missile test firing, possibly from a submarine.

This new "documentary" coming out apparently comes to the same conclusion.

Did Navy Sub hit TWA 800?

32 posted on 07/03/2013 5:06:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I agree with you both. I was saying for years this since that line first came out.

* None were grounded.

* No history of it ever happening previous

* Never happened since.

* Although there have been wiring/electronic upgrades, none related to that incident.


33 posted on 07/03/2013 5:08:37 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: carriage_hill
Gee if the center fuel tank was the problem why did it take the FAA two years to issue an Airworthiness Directive?? Seems that the FAA would want to prevent any other 'accidents'!

http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=4796&print=go

34 posted on 07/03/2013 5:10:37 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: carriage_hill
I saw a vapor trail, streaking across the sky to my left. And then an ordinance explosion, followed in about two to three seconds, by a second ordinance explosion, followed in probably another two or three seconds, a little bit further to the left likely lower, two ordinance explosions, ta da, and then the fireball.

When a democRAT is in the WH, the blatant lies spewed from the government are simply astonishing.

35 posted on 07/03/2013 5:11:40 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Paladin2

Probably something like “sorry, we’s jus listnin. We don’t actually DO anything”.

Just ask those runners in Boston.

Or the folks who got raped by ENRON while “somebody” was listening to the traders on the ENRON floor...

etc etc.

Like the rest of the bureaucratic tribes in “government” today — the only thing that one can be seen to serve is, itself.


36 posted on 07/03/2013 5:12:58 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: rockinqsranch
We were watching the news the night it happened, and heard from multiple eyewitnesses that night. I call bullshit on this. These people are covering their butts. They really have no choice.

Do you remember the interview with the fishing boat rental operator at the marina?

37 posted on 07/03/2013 5:16:37 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Diogenesis

Your point more believable.


38 posted on 07/03/2013 5:23:49 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: carriage_hill

No matter what happened, they will defend the “offical” story.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 5:27:45 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: carriage_hill

This typo is in the original. I’m not always sure these happen by accident. Of course it is an “unusual” step.

The board took the usual step of organizing the briefing on an investigation that has been closed for years. That’s in response to a new documentary film set to air this month on the 17th anniversary of the tragedy. The film says new evidence points to the often-discounted theory that a missile strike may have downed the jumbo jet.


40 posted on 07/03/2013 5:29:30 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: sonofagun
Do you remember the interview with the fishing boat rental operator at the marina?

Yes. That was part of the narrative, in addition to the many witnesses that stated categorically they saw a streak of vapor, highlighted by the setting sun, arching up in the sky in close proximity to TWA 800. This was all discounted after Kalstrom was called to Washington (within two days of the crash) and given his marching orders ... TWA Flt. 800 went down as a result of a empty fuel tank explosion. All other possibilities are off the table.

41 posted on 07/03/2013 5:30:17 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: carriage_hill
Current and former federal officials who played key roles in the investigation of one of the nation's worst aviation disasters said Tuesday they stand by their conclusion that the explosion of TWA flight 800 was caused by overheated fuel tank vapors, and not a bomb or missile.

Of course they do. They lied and covered up in 1996 and now that lie must be preserved at all costs.

42 posted on 07/03/2013 5:36:10 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: carriage_hill
Standing in the rain outside the NTSB briefing, Hughes also said the plane’s reconstructed fuselage — which reporters were allowed to view after the briefing — has holes consistent with what would be expected from missile shrapnel. Reporters weren’t able to see the holes, he said, because they were on the opposite side of the reconstructed plane, facing away from the board’s briefing area.

They couldn't walk around to the other side?

43 posted on 07/03/2013 5:39:21 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: AlexW

Yes, but statistically, if you crash are you more likely to survive in a plane crash or a car crash. I have been in several car crashes and I’m still kicking. I doubt I would have survived that many plane crashes.


44 posted on 07/03/2013 5:39:48 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Erik Latranyi; Alberta's Child
The number of eyewitnesses cannot be discounted so easily. There is also a military pilot who has seen missiles in combat, who was flying that night and testified he saw a missile.

The fact that you had the FBI and CIA involved in an airline disaster investigation, and that the CIA felt compelled to produce an animated video of an explosion/crash sequence that was comical to anyone who had flown an airplane, made this thing suspicious from the get-go.

See the video at post #35.

45 posted on 07/03/2013 5:39:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rockinqsranch
We were watching the news the night it happened, and heard from multiple eyewitnesses that night.

Me too and I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm not sure if the missle was an errant launch by the navy who was active in the area that night (highly unlikelu IMO) or if it was a deliberate terrorist attack (I'd bet the ranch) but I know that immediately following the crash people were coming forward...within an hour of the crash...claiming to have seen a light streak from the surface to the plane just before the plane exploded.

46 posted on 07/03/2013 5:40:57 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: carriage_hill

Some people are just really stubborn.

At this point, what difference does it make?


47 posted on 07/03/2013 5:44:17 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: carriage_hill

Does anyone remember when a pilot near Los Angeles reported a missile trail near his aircraft? It was immediately downplayed as just a “bottle rocket”.


48 posted on 07/03/2013 5:46:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: carriage_hill

If it were a center fuel tank malfunction, there would be class action lawsuits as far as the eye can see.

Scores of people of sound mind and body saw the same trail leading up to the plane.

But then again why would I believe anything other than the official story?


49 posted on 07/03/2013 5:47:04 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: BluH2o

Good point, Kalstrom always seemed like a stand up guy to me.


50 posted on 07/03/2013 5:49:00 AM PDT by Fair Paul
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