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To: Azeem
Some General is better than a terrorist.
So many would-be-presidents promise the world and deliver less than that. Terrorists are protesters run amok. I imagine our own revolutionaries of 1776 were also considered terrorists.

I’m glad to see the Egyptian people and military rising up against a tyrannical terrorist government.
I wonder if the NEXT government WON'T be tyrannical and terrorist. I can only hope. My husband and I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and I went to Egypt twice because it was such a WONderful country. It is so sad. I wish them all peace and prosperity.

Just ask the Egyptian Copts how wonderful Obama’s buddy Morsi has been to them.
The Egyptians probably treat their Christian brothers badly because the Christians have a strong work ethic and therefore OWN homes, businesses, buildings, etc. The hard working Japanese in Hawaii are, I am told, resented by the locals because they OWN so much of Hawaii.
The Indians who immigrated to east Africa were greatly resented by the locals because the Indians WORKED so hard and ended up OWNING much of Nairobi, etc.

Not a new story.

From the Internet:
The Copts are the native Christians of Egypt, a major ethnoreligious group in Egypt and the largest Christian group there. Christianity was the religion of the vast majority from 400–800 A.D. and the majority after the Muslim conquest until the mid-10th century and remains the faith of a significant minority population. Historically they spoke the Coptic language, a direct descendant of the Demotic (daily, every, common) Egyptian spoken in the Roman era, but it has been near-extinct and mostly limited to liturgical use since the 18th century. They now speak Arabic.
Copts in Egypt constitute the largest Christian community in the Middle East, as well as the largest religious minority in the region, accounting for an estimated 10% of the Egyptian population. Most Copts adhere to the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. The remainder of around 800,000 are divided between the Coptic Catholic and various Coptic Protestant churches.

Observation: When the ROMAN Catholic Church insisted on Latin as the language of the Mass, it drove away Greeks, Egyptians, etc. Then in 1962 the Pope allowed the VERNACULAR in all countries for the Mass.
That allowance TOOK AWAY the reason for breaking away from the Latin-centered Church. Most of those break-away Catholic communities reunited with Rome.

I was in Serbia this past month and went to Mass. The ONLY word I understood was "Jesus." Otherwise it was the EXACT same Mass as I hear in the USA. I could follow what they did, not what they said. :o)

22 posted on 07/03/2013 10:12:53 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

In some non descript building in Israel, there are a bunch of Mossad agents laughing their asses off.


23 posted on 07/03/2013 10:18:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: cloudmountain
Observation: When the ROMAN Catholic Church insisted on Latin as the language of the Mass, it drove away Greeks, Egyptians, etc. Then in 1962 the Pope allowed the VERNACULAR in all countries for the Mass. That allowance TOOK AWAY the reason for breaking away from the Latin-centered Church. Most of those break-away Catholic communities reunited with Rome.

That is absolutely false. It wasn't the use of Latin that drove away the Easterners from Rome. It was primarily a combination of doctrinal differences that had developed between the East and the West over time and the influence of regional politics.

The Eastern Catholic Churches have always been able to say mass in the language of their own rites according to the norms of their own liturgical laws. They did not have to say mass in Latin before Vatican II. In fact, the Eastern Catholics (those people whom you call the Greeks and Egyptians) had been saying mass in their respective liturgical languages for hundreds of years.

It was the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church that had to conduct it's business in Latin before Vatican II. The change to the Vernacular did not affect the entire Catholic Church only members of the Latin Rites. The other Eastern Rite Churches were already using languages such as Koine Greek, Coptic, and other Vernacular languages in the liturgy long before the 1960s. These Churches were in complete union with the pope, hundreds of years before the suppression of liturgical Latin in the West. Indeed, the introduction of the vernacular into the Western Rites brought no sui juris churches back into union with Rome.

In fact, the Changes to the mass actually probably hurt ecumenism with the Orthodox, because the Orthodox are adverse to tampering with an ancient liturgy. (Contrary to popular perception, the Latin mass wasn't just translated into the vernacular. If it had only been translated, then there wouldn't have been so much controversy surrounding the changes. Instead, the mass was almost completely, and inorganically constructed by a committee, a fact lamented by Benedict XVI. Entire parts of the mass were altered, composed on the spot, cut out, or added into the mass. Consequently, the old mass has much more in common with the Orthodox Divine Liturgy than the new vernacular mass of the Roman Rite does.) A few years back, Alexei II, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, the largest of the Orthodox Churches, praised the reintroduction of the Latin Mass by Benedict XVI as a move bringing the Catholic Church closer to the Orthodox sensibilities of tradition:

"We strongly adhere to tradition. The recovery and honoring of an ancient liturgical tradition is a development that we can welcome."

37 posted on 07/03/2013 12:22:33 PM PDT by old republic
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