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Protestors rally near NSA data center for 4th Amendment rights
KSL.com Utah ^ | July 4, 2013 | Katie McKellar

Posted on 07/04/2013 7:51:47 PM PDT by District13

BLUFFDALE — More than 100 people gathered Thursday at Utah Veterans Memorial Park to support the cause of Restore the Fourth, a national group demanding an end to what its members say is unconstitutional government surveillance.

Dan Garfield, a Saratoga Springs resident and Restore the Fourth supporter, said he believes the rally for Fourth Amendment rights was fitting for the Fourth of July because veterans have fought and died to maintain American rights.

"We feel like the government has overstepped its bounds and gone contrary to what the Fourth Amendment stands for," he said.

Garfield said the rally was initially intended to take place near the access road of the new Utah Data Center, the 1 million-square-foot, $1.2 billion facility scheduled to open this fall at Camp Williams. The data center is overseen by the National Security Agency, which issued a statement saying the facility will "strengthen and protect the nation's cyber-security."

The Fourth Amendment guards against "unreasonable searches and seizures." Concluding what is reasonable is at the center of the national debate over the NSA's data seizure and analysis.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: constitution; fourth; nsa; rally
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I saw this monstrous facility for the first time today. It looks like a futuristic holding tank for human experimentation. Really, it's a hell hole. The thing is HUGE and the police were there to protect THEM from US! We are paying for this complex! OMG - what is going on with our country? BTW there were more than 100 of us!
1 posted on 07/04/2013 7:51:47 PM PDT by District13
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To: District13

Restore the Fourth: http://www.restorethefourth.net/

When you consider they put these protests together in about 5 days, it’s pretty much a miracle how well it turned out. I am proud to have been there.


2 posted on 07/04/2013 7:54:14 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

I know someone who was fairly close to that place recently. He said he could feel “very bad vibes” coming from the place. He said it was a creepy experience.


3 posted on 07/04/2013 7:55:11 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: District13


President Ronald Reagan:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
"

4 posted on 07/04/2013 7:58:13 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: laplata

I just heard a little about it on Glenn Beck’s show. He said it has a helicopter landing area - that is underground. Huge doors open up, the copper goes down into the ground. (I’m thinking Air-Wolf and the hollow mountain!).

I guess the facility is HUGE on the surface, and who knows how many floors deep it is.

Near us there is a small, local power company building that has the transformer yard, control building and office space. They upgraded it recently. Lots of dump trucks coming and going - but everything still looks the same! A neighbor said his company bid on the job but lost. They extended the facility something like 4 more stories below ground. Oh - and the higher fence and double gate at the front is new.


5 posted on 07/04/2013 8:02:33 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: laplata

It’s high up on a hill but yet not quite visible. It’s like a hideous structure and you can only see the tops of the buildings. It looks like a complex - no real windows. It’s like impregnable bunkers. Really scary stuff!!! And to think, we are paying for that monstrosity so they can spy on us!

After the speeches (some great, some boring), we marched to the NSA area but of course, the police would not let us enter the gates so we tied red white and blue ribbons on the fence. Surprised the fence was not electrified!


6 posted on 07/04/2013 8:03:18 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: 21twelve

Thank you for your post. Wish you could have been there with us today. We got a lot of support from passing traffic. The organizers said they are already working on the next protest. This time, there was only about 5 days’ advance notice - not really enough time to get the word out. Next time, there will be more of us. We need thousands!! This NSA facility is GROUND ZERO.


7 posted on 07/04/2013 8:06:40 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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Good grief. Does anyone plan on holding Congress responsible?


8 posted on 07/04/2013 8:06:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: District13

How gracious of that evil maggot agency to “allow” protests...


9 posted on 07/04/2013 8:07:20 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Gene Eric

“Does anyone plan on holding Congress responsible?”

Some people were blaming UT Governor for promoting Utah as a great place to build this crapper!!

Some of the speakers were “educating” us on the horrors of this facility while others just wanted to vent. Any way you look at it, it was a good day for freedom of speech and right of assembly.

But it will take a lot more activism and anger. A few talked about civil disobedience - I mean, since our legislators are so darn IGNORANT and CORRUPT, looks like it’s up to us to sacrifice our time and resources to at least let them know WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE WILL VOTE THE BUMS OUT WHO SUPPORT THIS NIGHTMARE!


10 posted on 07/04/2013 8:11:25 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

Good for you all doing that.

I think there are also underground levels.

George Orwell would be horrified.


11 posted on 07/04/2013 8:14:39 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Borax Queen

“How gracious of that evil maggot agency to “allow” protests...”

Actually, the police presence was huge but overall they were polite. Just made it clear that we were not allowed on the property itself. We chanted, “Hey hey ho ho, the NSA has got to go!” And “NSA go away!” Stuff like that.

It was a mix of protesters. Some left at the beginning because some of the speeches were so dang boring! Preaching to the choir. I liked it best when the every-day folk got to vent over the microphone.

Okay, so it was a little unorganized and unprofessional but isn’t that what makes America great? Just every day people getting together to protest an assault on our rights.

Proud to be an American!!


12 posted on 07/04/2013 8:17:05 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: 21twelve

Very scary. Have you seen aerial views?


13 posted on 07/04/2013 8:17:40 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Gene Eric; y'all

Well.. as much as it displeases me to relay this, we’re doing the same thing in San Antonio.

There are threads about it.


14 posted on 07/04/2013 8:18:08 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: laplata

“I think there are also underground levels.”

You can only see the tops of some of the buildings. It’s still under construction but looks to be almost finished. You’d have to drive quite a ways from the gate to the facility itself on a long long driveway.

P.S. There’s a military base across the street!!!!!!!!!!!!


15 posted on 07/04/2013 8:19:33 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: Gene Eric

Good grief. Does anyone plan on holding Congress responsible?


About as much as they’re (not) investigating the IRS.


16 posted on 07/04/2013 8:19:54 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: District13

Is the base across the street Hill AFB?


17 posted on 07/04/2013 8:21:30 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: District13; All

Impeachment File on Benghazi Coward “B. Hussein Obama,” formerly known as Barry Soetoro, a Legal Citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


18 posted on 07/04/2013 8:22:24 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: District13

>> Any way you look at it, it was a good day for freedom of speech and right of assembly.

Indeed.

All our political problems can be corrected through the political process providing the voters exercise the necessary discipline. It’s not an exciting proposition, but it’s the plain truth.


19 posted on 07/04/2013 8:22:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: District13
Beginning to look like they have started another cold war. Only this time we are the enemy apparently.


20 posted on 07/04/2013 8:24:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Huge!


21 posted on 07/04/2013 8:26:47 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Graewoulf; All
Don't let the Republicans off the hook. Remember, this stuff really took off under Bush after 9/11, and what we are complaining about now, the Bush administration was trying to push through a decade ago. Because far too many of us trusted the Bush administration, and because the Republican-led Congress didn't care or supported it and didn't do enough to truly dismantle it, and because many never thought about the day a left-winger like Nobama could hang his beret in the WH, we have reached this point.

Here's a sample of FReepers who were raising the alarm:

Total Information Awareness (TIA) System - Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

EPIC.org Total Information Awareness (TIA) News Nov 25, 2002 (Free Republic)

Critics say Defense 'Total Information Awareness' Impractical - Dec 12, 2002 (Free Republic)

TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS (TIA) UPDATE - Feb 7, 2003 (Free Republic)

Pentagon spy database funding revealed (Total Information Awareness ) - Feb 27, 2003 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness - Mar 8, 2007 (Free Republic)

Total Information Awareness Project Undergoes First Test - Apr 10, 2003 (Free Republic)

U.S. Pressing for High-Tech Spy Tools (Total Information Awareness) - Feb 22, 2004 (Free Republic)

U.S. Still Mining Terror Data (Total Information Awareness Program) - Feb 23, 2004 (Free Republic)


22 posted on 07/04/2013 8:28:21 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: District13

Good report, thanks. I knew about this spot a year or two ago — good for you for going today. It looks like a scary place and I’m not happy that it’s in one of my favorite states. (I’m also concerned about how the CDC is relocating to the heart of the country — Kansas.)


23 posted on 07/04/2013 8:29:29 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

The CDC is moving from Atlanta to Kansas?


24 posted on 07/04/2013 8:35:27 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: laplata

Not Hill AFB. It’s a National Guard facility - right across the street from the NSA complex.

Here’s another news report about our event. Check it out; it has a different slant:
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/0b438477e7234a1b8d7dd2403d07d651/UT—NSA-Protest-Utah


25 posted on 07/04/2013 8:37:19 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: Borax Queen

(I’m also concerned about how the CDC is relocating to the heart of the country — Kansas.)


They’re moving a lot of agencies into the heartland. For instance, they’ve done a lot of work at the Denver Federal Center lately.


26 posted on 07/04/2013 8:37:25 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: txhurl

I’m sorry — I thought it was a CDC facility.
I saw a special about it recently, (I think on the Discovery Channel?) — so as far as I know, it’s still happening. I just did a quick search though and couldn’t find any 2013 articles. I’ll look again.

“The controversial animal disease research laboratory, Plum Island Animal Disease Center, located on the relatively remote island off the tip of Long Island will be moving to the heartland of America, Manhattan, Kansas, sometime on or around 2014.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/transplanting-plum-island-to-kansas-is-the-country-s-food-supply-at-risk


27 posted on 07/04/2013 8:40:35 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: laplata

So I’ve heard (about Denver)...


28 posted on 07/04/2013 8:42:42 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: af_vet_rr

I agree with you about GWB - however, you can’t compare him with BHO - it’s like comparing an ice cube with a glacier. But I know what you mean.


29 posted on 07/04/2013 8:43:46 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: laplata

Glenn Beck is in Salt Lake City for his “Man in the Moon” activities and I heard that he mentioned our protest today. Anyone know what he said?


30 posted on 07/04/2013 8:45:01 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: txhurl
“Well.. as much as it displeases me to relay this, we’re doing the same thing in San Antonio.”

Check out this website - www.restorethefourth.net - there is a group in San Antonio. Giddy up!

31 posted on 07/04/2013 8:49:39 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

No, I haven’t heard.


32 posted on 07/04/2013 8:49:54 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Borax Queen

And the new super bunker under the White House.

Something wicked this way comes (is here).


33 posted on 07/04/2013 8:51:42 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Thank you for posting the picture of the facility. Someone at the rally today said the gov’t thought Utah would be a good place to build this monstrosity since Mormons tend to be passive. What?! They don’t know us!! We are pissed!!! I will say that some at the rally blamed UT Gov who apparently supported building it here. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!


34 posted on 07/04/2013 8:52:53 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

Did they know you were Mormons? Because the guys at the gate probably were’nt.


35 posted on 07/04/2013 8:57:39 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: laplata

Oh, just peachy....

I think everyone knows about the massive bunker in Arkansas, but it sounds like they’ve also got quite the underground cities closer to DC too. (Maybe connected to the WH now??)
Must be nice...It’s just too bad that the very worst and most evil of the gene pool — politicians and others — will be the ones who get to live there.


36 posted on 07/04/2013 9:00:59 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: txhurl

“Did they know you were Mormons?”

Oh, I must have given the wrong impression. We were not all Mormons - not at all. In fact, one of the organizers was an evangelical preacher and there were atheists there, too - people from all walks of life and all religious persuasions.

I was making the point that one of the speakers mentioned that Gov Herbert appears to have wooed the NSA to build here and some people think the feds thought it would be a good place since they ERRONEOUSLY thought that Mormons are passive people which is far from the truth.


37 posted on 07/04/2013 9:03:20 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: laplata

My sign read, “I feel violated!”

Another sign read, “NSA = KGB - Welcome to Amerika!”

There were a lot of great signs!!!!


38 posted on 07/04/2013 9:05:59 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: District13

Good ones!


39 posted on 07/04/2013 9:10:20 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata
They’re moving a lot of agencies into the heartland. For instance, they’ve done a lot of work at the Denver Federal Center lately.

The question I have is, are they preparing for an external war/attack? Or are they moving "out to the boonies" to get away from the population so they can (a) collapse the food-supply, (b) collapse the currency, and/or (c) release biological weapons?

40 posted on 07/04/2013 9:18:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: District13

Every Goliath has a weakness.


41 posted on 07/04/2013 9:47:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: District13

“The Fourth Amendment guards against “unreasonable searches and seizures.” Concluding what is reasonable is at the center of the national debate over the NSA’s data seizure and analysis.”

Huh? There is a whole slew of case law that pretty well defines reasonable. Start with Map vs. Ohio. These presstitutes are scaring me. “Let us now, in this fundamentally transformed nation determine what rights the peons can have. As long as we can control them.”


42 posted on 07/04/2013 9:51:15 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: OneWingedShark

We can be sure that they are not up to any good and saving their own butts is their top priority.


43 posted on 07/04/2013 9:51:48 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: OneWingedShark

They’re moving a lot of agencies into the heartland. For instance, they’ve done a lot of work at the Denver Federal Center lately.

The question I have is, are they preparing for an external war/attack? Or are they moving “out to the boonies” to get away from the population so they can (a) collapse the food-supply, (b) collapse the currency, and/or (c) release biological weapons?


There are a lot of powerful people who want to reduce the earth’s population to about 300-600 million or less.

The hard core environmentalists are crazy AND evil.


44 posted on 07/04/2013 10:35:38 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: JimSEA

“what is reasonable”

I was helping my son with a project regarding “no knock” entry into homes. Even with a warrant, that would have been considered unreasonable going back to English law way back (1600’s??). So obviously the government doing a secret search of your stuff (bedroom, car, emails, phone calls) would be unreasonable.


45 posted on 07/04/2013 11:16:51 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve

I quite agree. These “no knock” attacks are very troublesome to me. I understand the practical reasons in a few cases but, come on folks, it’s a standard procedure now.


46 posted on 07/04/2013 11:24:45 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: District13

What is PRISM?
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/07/04/what-is-prism/?singlepage=true

Be Very Veeeery Careful...You just might learn something.
Maybe just maybe there is no reason to get your panties in a bunch.


47 posted on 07/05/2013 7:02:17 AM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: District13

“My sign read, “I feel violated!”

Another sign read, “NSA = KGB - Welcome to Amerika!”

There were a lot of great signs!!!!”

My sign reads....I’m With Stupid.


48 posted on 07/05/2013 7:04:55 AM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: Valin

Bump this thread.


49 posted on 07/05/2013 7:17:40 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: laplata

“And the new super bunker under the White House.”

The evil elite will be thoroughly protected whereas we, the innocent, will be vulnerable.


50 posted on 07/05/2013 7:18:49 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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