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Permits Soar to Allow More Concealed Guns
WSJ ^ | July 4, 2013 | JACK NICAS and ASHBY JONES

Posted on 07/05/2013 7:11:14 AM PDT by yoe

A growing number of Americans are getting permission to carry firearms in public—and under their clothes—a development that has sparked concern among some law-enforcement authorities.

Applications for "concealed-carry" permits are soaring in many states, some of which recently eased permit requirements.

[snip] Research is split on whether more armed citizens deter or exacerbate gun violence. Economist John Lott, a conservative commentator and author of "More Guns, Less Crime," said data show concealed-carry laws reduce violent crime.

[snip] n 2008 and 2010 rulings, the U.S. Supreme Court found that the Second Amendment to the Constitution grants broad license to keep and bear arms in the home. But the court left unclear whether and to what degree the right to carry a weapon extends outside the home, leaving states largely free to set up their own rules.

[snip] Residents of Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont don't need permits to carry a concealed weapon. In 2002, that was the case only in Vermont.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; donttreadonme; guncontrol; guns; nocompromise; obama; rkba; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: yoe

“And the Violence Policy Center, a nonprofit group that advocates for gun control, said that since 2007, concealed-carry permit holders have fatally shot about 500 people, that 128 of them have been convicted of manslaughter or homicide, and 36 have committed murder-suicides.”

Yep, the article was VERY biased. When given stats from a left-wing group, one must ALWAYS parse them - and one can get quite for even assuming that the data provided is valid.

In this case, 500 shootings in 6 years, out of 5,000,000 holders (low-end estimated average number over those 6 years) - or about 1 per 10,000 permit holders. Not exactly the WILD WEST that the big-city cops and liberals were SURE would ensue. In fact, if there were only 1 fatal shooting per 10,000 people in New York City in 6 years, then there would have only been 1,000 fatal shootings in that time, or about 167 fatal shootings per year. Last year, they set a record LOW of 414 homicides (actually, an excellent year for them)...and they have been much much higher in the past (as in nearly 2,000).

So how about those 500 homicides? It looks like 75% of them were justified, or at least to the extend of not being able to convict the shooter (CCW holder). So now you have 128 murderers with CCWs. So closer to 21 murders per year from CCW holders. Not bad for a group of 5,000,000 people.

But what about them? How many of them killed while in public? In other words, how many of them took their weapons out on the street and killed someone? That’s an important number, because the remaining people (probably the majority), would have killed without a CCW. In other words, a nutcase shooting his wife at home may have a CCW (and a gun, of course), but the CCW HAS NOTHING to do with the more than his driver license or voter registration had anything to do with it. So one SHOULD NOT blame the CCW in any way...he didn’t need it to be legal before the killing.

That is how you parse something from the left.

21 posted on 07/05/2013 11:16:36 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Gaffer

“Any LEO that is opposed to a law-abiding citizen peacefully exercising his/her 2nd Amendment right should be fired outright. Screw their concerns. They should not be in the job in the first place.”

Fixed it for you.

No permits are required or allowed under a common-sense reading of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
“shall not be infringed” is the key phrase,and it does not mention Congress or any other specific political division.
Taking into account that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land,all political subdivisions are forbidden to infringe.

Of course the ink was hardly dry on the Constitution before scheming politicians began trying out arguments for more limits on personal freedom and less limit on governmental power.All too often the people have allowed the schemers to have their way.

22 posted on 07/05/2013 11:31:10 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Citizens have been concerned for decades about the monopoly on gun ownership claimed by government. Citizens are the sovereign power. Government is just the hired help. Who ought to win this one?

We've had upside-down thinking in this country for so long, it's radical to actually say the truth. A sad situation...

23 posted on 07/05/2013 3:24:22 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (The Stupid Party, they've earned it.)
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To: DTogo

Hey DTogo, I’m a reporter working on an article about all the pistol permits being issued in Newtown. Maybe you can help me out with the article? Drop me a line at

24 posted on 07/25/2013 3:32:09 PM PDT by JDA733
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To: JDA733

Welcome aboard.

25 posted on 08/01/2013 6:41:23 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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