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Feds: Beavercreek (Ohio) violates civil rights (no bus service from the 'hood to their mall)
WDTN News ^ | 27 June 2013 | Jill Drury

Posted on 07/05/2013 8:24:19 AM PDT by Drew68

BEAVERCREEK, Ohio (WDTN) - The Federal Highway Administration's Office of Civil Rights says the City of Beavercreek is in violation of the civil acts right when it denied the RTA's request to add a bus stop near the Mall at Fairfield Commons.

The ruling states, "FHWA Office of Civil Rights, having examined the facts and the law, finds that LEAD has provided sufficient evidence to support its Title VI allegations that African Americans have faced discriminator impact as a result of the city's decision to deny the RTA's application to install bus stops along Pentagon Boulevard in the city."

The FHWA now recommends that the city develop and implement a new transit stop plan for which the RTA can resubmit it's request to the new bus stops.

The Ohio Department of Transportation will oversee the city's response and assist it in the implementation.

Beavercreek leaders must now re-hear the RTA'S application for the three proposed bus stops.

The Leaders for Equality and Action in Dayton (LEAD) first made its complaint about the bus stop denial in August 2011. It said the city failed to comply with the Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI).

LEAD held rallies and flooded city meetings with their complaints, while the city said their decision was not based on race.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amish; thugs; urban; youths
The Federal Highway Administration's Office of Civil Rights

Who knew?

Anyhow, coming soon to the Fairfield Commons, FLASH MOBS! (And not the ones that sing Christmas carols.)

1 posted on 07/05/2013 8:24:19 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

This may sound stupid but why does the freakin’ “Federal Highway Administration” NEED an “Office of Civil Rights”? More redundancy in the federal government. No wonder the country is broke.


2 posted on 07/05/2013 8:28:49 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: Drew68

There have been problems at some malls, at which minority youth arrive by public transportation.

It’s politically incorrect to say out loud. But, malls don’t want big numbers of ghetto youth scaring off regular shoppers, the kind of shoppers who actually buy things and keep the stores in the mall in business.

Anybody familiar with the Washington DC area years ago, may know what happened to Landover Mall. That mall went downhill and was eventually closed. And the reason was that the area around the mall was going downhill, and because critical masses of minority youth were hanging out and causing trouble.

I remember someone telling me they went to the movies at Landover Mall once, and it was the first and last time. They said that the youth talked and laughed out loud through the whole movie, and they couldn’t hear anything. And, the theater had rows of ripped up seats. One row of seats was no longer bolted to the floor, so the whole row became like a rocking chair or a swing to mischevious youth. It was a forbidding environment.

If malls get too many ghetto youth, they have trouble staying in business. It’s as simple as that. Legitimate customers will stay away.

Yes, I guess I’m also suggesting that these ghetto youth are not legitimate customers. They don’t buy much of anything, they just hang out and create a hostile environment.


3 posted on 07/05/2013 8:33:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The government HAS to hire blacks. What better place to put them than in a Department that would have miminal impact on day to day business.
4 posted on 07/05/2013 8:34:08 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Drew68

The Office of Civil Rights is the enforcement group for several agencies. For example Health and Human Services has a group by the same name.

They go around auditing organizations for HIPAA compliance against a set of poorly defined regulations.


5 posted on 07/05/2013 8:35:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Drew68

The proposed bus stops do not provide the solution for the problems that supposedly exists.
The complaint is that bus riders cannot safely get from the mall area to Wright State, the hospital, and the air force base, because there is no safe access over I-675. Only the hospital requires a stop near the mall, and it is several blocks away.
I live in an area that has bus stops. The new Walmart is not a safe place to shop anymore thanks to the bus route. Bus stops trashed the Dayton mall. That mall was forced to impose a curfew type rule requiring young people to be accompanied by an adult after 6pm to cut down on fights and other incidents of intimidation.


6 posted on 07/05/2013 8:37:07 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Wiser now

Yet another good reason to shop online.


7 posted on 07/05/2013 8:47:48 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Drew68
What about that 5-star French gourmet restaurant on the edge of town? No dish on the menu for under $100.

There's no bus service to it, either. So the poo' folks (predominantly of a certain ethnicity) can't get there, either.

Racism!

Regards,

8 posted on 07/05/2013 8:50:09 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
In my area, most of the shopping malls have public transportation. Two of the malls are in trouble. One has already closed; the other is practically empty, and a new owner intends to convert most of the space into offices. The official explanation is the bad economy, but the real reason is the unruly urban youth.

A new mall opened north of the city a couple of years ago. The owners were smart. They made sure there would be no public transit to this mall. Made some people unhappy, but too bad. The owners don’t want to see their new mall trashed.

9 posted on 07/05/2013 9:01:33 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Dilbert San Diego
malls don’t want big numbers of ghetto youth scaring off regular shoppers, the kind of shoppers who actually buy things and keep the stores in the mall in business.

You mean they don't want these kind of shoppers?

youtube video of a jewelry store at an upscale mall in Atlanta, GA losing nearly a million dollars in Rolex watches during a 30-second smash and grab.

But hey, a brutha gotta have dat bling-bling.

10 posted on 07/05/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

http://www.wisn.com/9-Teens-Arrested-For-Mayfair-Mall-Melee/-/9374034/8054240/-/15oarb1/-/index.html

9 Teens Arrested For Mayfair Mall Melee

Amish Flash Mob


11 posted on 07/05/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Wiser now

Have the bus stops been placed at the Greene, yet?


12 posted on 07/05/2013 9:08:21 AM PDT by griswold3 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: fatnotlazy
In my area, most of the shopping malls have public transportation. Two of the malls are in trouble. One has already closed; the other is practically empty

Yep. Here in Jacksonville we have the Regency Square Mall. It's a ghost town. Pretty sad to walk through what was once a great place and see three shuttered storefronts for every opened one. A couple holiday seasons ago gunfire erupted between feral youths and an innocent kiosk worker got hit. That was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for Regency.

A new mall opened north of the city a couple of years ago. The owners were smart. They made sure there would be no public transit to this mall.

Well, just wait until the Federal Highway Administration's Office of Civil Rights are finished with this mall owner and all you taxpayers will get the wonderful joy of forking over whatever funding is required to import thugs to your nice new mall. Ain't it great!

13 posted on 07/05/2013 9:15:40 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: fatnotlazy

Don’t you wish that we could have honest plain speaking discussions of problems? In this case, the mall owners are blaming the economy for the problems. I’m sure that’s because it’s “politically incorrect” to blame ghetto youth for trashing the place or scaring away shoppers.

Imagine if the mall owners said out loud that these “youth” were causing problems. Eric Holder would be after them, and the IRS would also decide to do an audit.

Speaking of Eric Holder, he has lectured us that we don’t have honest discussions about race matters. Would Eric Holder like to have an honest discussion about race and the behavior of certain members of certain races?


14 posted on 07/05/2013 9:24:40 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Imagine if the mall owners said out loud that these “youth” were causing problems. Eric Holder would be after them, and the IRS would also decide to do an audit.

So much for freedom of speech, freedom of association, and free enterprise. Forced integration is tyranny of the worst sort.

15 posted on 07/05/2013 9:32:26 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Actually, I like the idea of restricting rides to those who would be potential flash mobs. It was done in Minneapolis about a year ago to keep those who were potential “flash mobs” from getting easy access to the “Mall Of America”.
There was no gubmint actions taken back then, why now?


16 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:47 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Ogden,UT lost a mall the same way. The gang bangers assaulted patrons and police were afraid to act. The mall failed, closed and was razed. A new mall arose a few miles away. Presumably out of range for the bad element that ruined the other mall.


17 posted on 07/05/2013 9:44:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Drew68

Who knew anyone had a right to a mall bus stop?


18 posted on 07/05/2013 9:50:38 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: RightGeek

Shop yes. The problem is some of the best restaurants are there, plus some stores that cannot be shopped online, like a Homegoods.


19 posted on 07/05/2013 9:53:49 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: griswold3

I honestly don’t know. We rarely go to that area. We are in the Fairfield area mostly for the restaurants.


20 posted on 07/05/2013 9:56:03 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Myrddin

The same happened in West Palm Beach, They just knocked down the mall on Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard because of feral youth. The place became abandon because people feared going there due to violent crime.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 9:57:20 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: Wiser now
That mall was forced to impose a curfew type rule requiring young people to be accompanied by an adult after 6pm to cut down on fights and other incidents of intimidation.

Many malls are doing this now and that's unfortunate. Most teens are law-abiding and many have the disposable income that shop owners covet. This is why in any typical mall about half the stores are geared towards teens. Restricting their access to the mall hurts business.

Sadly, PC dictates that we must punish everyone for the actions of a few with such blanket policies.

22 posted on 07/05/2013 9:59:32 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

We have a curfew like that at a local upscale mall. My two teenage daughters love to shop there because it has all the stores they like. there are times they want to go alone (and I can’t or don’t want to accompany them) and they can’t because of it. and yes, they go there to SHOP and spend the money they make at their JOBS- not roam around in packs looking for trouble like the others that caused this curfew! So in addition, those stores lose a lot of money that the suburban youth would spend if they would just stop being PC and crack down on only the trouble makers.


23 posted on 07/05/2013 11:11:03 AM PDT by usmom
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To: Drew68

Easy solution. Eliminate all city busing!


24 posted on 07/05/2013 11:57:45 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Wiser now
Man the Dayton Mall used to be luxury. I didn't know it started to get over-run with "yutes".

Shame.

25 posted on 07/05/2013 12:05:40 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: boop

It is a shame, and I will not go to the new Walmart over there alone. There are two bus stops very conveniently located right outside the doors.


26 posted on 07/05/2013 12:11:52 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: boop
Man the Dayton Mall used to be luxury.

So was the Salem Mall. When I shopped there, it was a really first-class place. Then the "minority youths" overran it. Now it's practically deserted. I think only Sears is still open. The parking lot is used during the Dayton Hamvention, which is now the only time I see what used to be the Mall.

Having that history as an example, the folks in Beaver Creek simply don't want their Mall destroyed by "minority youths" coming by bus from the ghetto.

27 posted on 07/05/2013 12:14:10 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: VRWCarea51
Easy solution. Eliminate all city busing!

Except how are the welfare parasites and their feral offspring going to travel to where us taxpayers live and ruin those places we enjoy if we don't subsidize the means of transportation that get them here?

28 posted on 07/05/2013 12:30:51 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Federal Highway Administration's Office of Civil Rights

I see a money saving permanent cut if I ever got the chance.

29 posted on 07/05/2013 1:15:45 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Drew68

When the first bus driver is killed in the hood, hope their family sues the Federal Highway Administration’s Office of Civil Rights


30 posted on 07/05/2013 1:17:07 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Here's a strange situation. In Baltimore, there is a mall called Mondawmin. It is right on the subway line. For some reason, even though the clientele is 99.9% Amish, they don't have the yute problems that suburban "white" malls have.

Guess it's the "you don't poop where you eat" philosophy.

And when I would go there, (rarely) I was one of literally three non-black customers in a three story building, but I never felt threatened or unsafe.

Things may have changed in the past 20 years, though.

31 posted on 07/05/2013 5:11:42 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: TsonicTsunami08
I did some contract work in that area. After hours, I would take my inline speed skates to Lantana to skate at the Palace. The hardwood floor was superb. Most of the skaters were speed skaters, so I fit right in. A visit to Greenacres where roller hockey was favored was a less enjoyable place. They used a very rough "sport court" concrete surface. Guaranteed to remove flesh if you fall.

I just checked the state of "the Palace". Out of business. Turning into a big furniture store.

My last attempts to enjoy indoor rink skating ended in a fall over a fat slob of a teenager. The owner permitted chasing balls across the floor with no care to the safety of those who weren't chasing balls.

32 posted on 07/05/2013 8:32:59 PM PDT by Myrddin
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