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Late Pope John Paul II to get sainthood, Vatican says
CNN ^ | Hada Messia

Posted on 07/05/2013 12:23:49 PM PDT by Morgana

Rome (CNN) -- The Roman Catholic Church will declare the late Pope John Paul II a saint, the Vatican announced Friday.

Pope Francis signed the decree Friday morning, the Vatican said. John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, and was in a way the first rock star pontiff, drawing vast crowds as he crisscrossed the globe.

At his funeral, thousands of pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square and chanted "Santo subito" -- Sainthood now! The Polish-born pope was fast-tracked to beatification and became "the blessed" John Paul II barely six years after his death, the fastest beatification in centuries.

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1 posted on 07/05/2013 12:23:49 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; Chode; Tax-chick

viva la pope


2 posted on 07/05/2013 12:25:24 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Santo Subito.


3 posted on 07/05/2013 12:25:37 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Morgana

I think that would be, “Viva il Papa!” in Italian.

I’m so pleased about this, and also about Pope John XXIII. I’ve been chortling all day.


4 posted on 07/05/2013 12:27:10 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Morgana

I have a medal given to my sister from JP II. It was blessed and touched to his tomb as well.


5 posted on 07/05/2013 12:27:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: Morgana
I propose a name for our new Saint:

"Saint Communism Killer the 1st"

But I suppose Saint John Paul will work in a pinch!


6 posted on 07/05/2013 12:31:54 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Tax-chick

I think they should respect the tradition. I don’t think he would have asked for this to be done.


7 posted on 07/05/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I don’t think he would have asked for this to be done.

For what to be done?

8 posted on 07/05/2013 12:33:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: RedMDer

Growing up our next door neighbor bore a strikibng resemblance to John Paul, I was always so scared of him because he looked so like ther Pope, scared because I was little and impressionable, LOL

It was really cute


9 posted on 07/05/2013 12:33:24 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Like Santiago Matamoros, “St. James the Moslem-Slayer.”


10 posted on 07/05/2013 12:33:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Morgana

Tainted sainthood.

He, as well as his predecessors, had the opportunity to please their savior by tossing out the evil fomented by Vatican II.

He, as well as they, didn’t.

John Paul is no saint as he found out when he faced his Maker.


11 posted on 07/05/2013 12:43:47 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
thank you for being "the turd in the punchbowl" on this discussion thread.

CC

12 posted on 07/05/2013 12:52:22 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Morgana

viva la pope


Viva il Papa!


13 posted on 07/05/2013 12:57:38 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: IbJensen
John Paul is no saint as he found out when he faced his Maker.

A real Catholic knows that the only one to decide who gets into Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory is God. You think you have the power to decide what to do with a soul?

REPENT!

14 posted on 07/05/2013 12:58:09 PM PDT by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: IbJensen
John Paul is no saint as he found out when he faced his Maker.

Something you saw on YouTube? Did God Himself give a first-hand accounting of this scene to you? What an unbelievably rude remark to leave on this thread.

15 posted on 07/05/2013 12:59:21 PM PDT by dansangel (Rest in peace, .45MAN)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Liberals hate Pope John Paul II for various reasons. Among those are reinforcing bans on birth control and not allowing women to be priests.

As I heard one liberal say, John Paul was sending the status of women in the church backwards to the Middle Ages.

Maybe we will see homosexual protesters at the mass to celebrate the sainthood of Popes John and John Paul. They are so proud of themselves flinging condoms around as they celebrate homosexuality and protest all who oppose their point of view.


16 posted on 07/05/2013 1:00:36 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: IbJensen

Many of us have disagreements with Catholic theology ... but “evil fomented by Vatican II”? Sounds like your beef is not with this particular sainthood but with Vatican II and that is a whole separate discussion.


17 posted on 07/05/2013 1:03:32 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Dilbert San Diego

As I heard one liberal say, John Paul was sending the status of women in the church backwards to the Middle Ages.

Probably the same libs that think the “Religion of Peace” is just fine and dandy and that the oppression/mutilation of women THEY do is “part of their RICH culture”..... BARF


18 posted on 07/05/2013 1:06:43 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Morgana

Viva il Papa!


19 posted on 07/05/2013 1:08:31 PM PDT by Jacvin
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To: nickcarraway; IbJensen

I agree. I don’t particularly like JPII - he had almost 30 years to bring the Church out of destruction wrought by VII, and he really didn’t do much until he got so weak that Ratzinger could start cleaning things out behind the scenes. He appointed weak or even bad bishops and largely ignored the sexual abuse scandals until ver late.

I’ve always thought JPII was very media driven and just wanted to be liked.

HOWEVER, all that said, he was regarded as conservative by many people and his travels made a big impact. So who knows?

I wouldn’t cultivate a personal devotion to him myself, but the Church has clearly decided that the good outweighed the bad. That’s ok too.


20 posted on 07/05/2013 1:25:20 PM PDT by livius
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To: wideawake

Some interesting comments on this thread.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 1:32:02 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Morgana

If he wasn’t a saint when he died, he isn’t becoming one now...


22 posted on 07/05/2013 1:46:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: plain talk

Actually it is not a different discussion since the article goes on to state that John XXIII will also be canonized, (even though there are no reports of a second verifiable miracle). John XXIII was a nice man but the fruit of Vatican II was poisonous to the church. NO saint, no way


23 posted on 07/05/2013 2:00:38 PM PDT by montaine
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To: Morgana

Knew this for the last few days. But then again knew this since Pope John Paul II had passed he was a saint.


24 posted on 07/05/2013 2:05:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: livius

With all those trips he made he should be the patron saint of frequent flyers, really Pope John Paul II earn those miles. :)


25 posted on 07/05/2013 2:07:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: IbJensen

Tainted sainthood hardly. Even Billy Graham called John Paul II a saint. He, Reagan and Thatcher changed the world. Too bad it’s changed back.


26 posted on 07/05/2013 3:07:15 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: montaine

Are you suggesting that all who were born, catechized, and practice Roman Catholicism since Vatican II are poisoned?

People like to make any number of claims about Vatican II, but what novel doctrine was proposed? What new dogma was proclaimed? Answer: none! The faith didn’t change!

Those who sought to disobey used Vatican II as cover. These dissenters have always been around, but were prepared to use any uncertainty to act up.

The faith didn’t change, but dissenters were able to get the upper hand, for a time. That has changed, and will continue to change.

Someone smarter than me summed up the current and last two Popes this way. JPII taught us what we believed. Benedict XVI taught us why we believe. Francis teaches us how to live out our believes.


27 posted on 07/05/2013 3:08:42 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Morgana

It’s going to be hard for some people, getting to Heaven and finding the place is full of people they don’t think deserve to be there.

Actually, wouldn’t that make it Purgatory, not Heaven, since Heaven is perfect happiness? Maybe one of the necessary steps for entering Heaven is to understand that, during my life, I was totally dead wrong about a lot of things.


28 posted on 07/05/2013 3:28:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Yossarian
A real Catholic knows that the only one to decide who gets into Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory is God. You think you have the power to decide what to do with a soul?

I can't think of single practicing Catholic alive who claims to have such power. Perhaps you should research the process of the declaration of sainthood and what is actually taking place before casting ignorant insults.

REPENT!

Repent for what? Commission of a sin? How do you know anyone committed a sin? Are you claiming to know what is in someone's soul? Perhaps a little inward soul searching would be a good idea before gazing outward and judging what is in the souls of others -- lest you be judged and all that.

29 posted on 07/05/2013 4:21:52 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: IbJensen; Chode

My parish recently got the Latin Mass! Others are getting them too.

The problem is not getting the Latin Mass, it is getting lib Catholics to go along with it!


30 posted on 07/05/2013 5:16:19 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Tax-chick

I had to laugh at your post. The majority of Catholics I personally know believe they went to .ell if old Martin Luther was the door greeter when they returned to the Maker. Most are expecting St. Peter.


31 posted on 07/05/2013 5:26:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I expect to see Jesus.


32 posted on 07/05/2013 5:47:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: GraceG

Saint John Paul the Great


33 posted on 07/05/2013 5:56:05 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Borges
Many people believe that they are much wiser than the Church.

The technical term for such folks, whether they pray in Latin or not, is "Protestants."

34 posted on 07/05/2013 6:01:34 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Tax-chick

Cool


35 posted on 07/05/2013 7:05:30 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

As St. Paul said, “My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.”


36 posted on 07/05/2013 7:36:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Morgana

I’m not a Catholic and in any case don’t know the whys and wherefores of sainthood. I DO know a LOT about the Cold War, the conduct of it and the factors that led to the collapse of the Soviets and the Bloc, and in THIS respect I think it’s fair to say that John Paul II was a GIANT of a man. That’s why his photo is on my wall, right next to Reagan’s.


37 posted on 07/05/2013 8:18:53 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Morgana
i wish we had it here again...
38 posted on 07/05/2013 8:23:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana
Allow me to be a second turd in the punch bowl. While JPII's pontificate had some towering achievements, he certainly failed in taking on the homosexual clergy issue. There are many permanently damaged lives out there caused by priestly sex abuse. He apparently did nothing to address the "gay mafia" in the Vatican itself, given this latest round of allegations. I think that he never really believed it was a huge problem.

I also believe that JPII knew that the real clergy sex abuse was happening in places like the United States, and he didn't like the United States very much. He distrusted our economic system, he distrusted our freedom, and he didn't like the fact that we were as successful as we were. JPII was infected by the sort of sneering hubris common among European intellectuals.

Was he a saint? I have no idea. He was a great man. I object only to the fact that they "fast tracked" him like this. Time was needed to allow these themes to be developed more fully.

39 posted on 07/05/2013 8:31:38 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: wideawake
Lol. Don't really subscribe to the whole religious label thing but it seems to me catholics should be the last ones with the superior attitudes.

It seems catholics get almost as much butthurt as mohammed's children. Almost. If your faith is that sensitive than maybe it's time to re-examine it.
40 posted on 07/05/2013 9:56:00 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“There are many permanently damaged lives out there caused by priestly sex abuse”

Catholic priests commit sex abuse at a lower rate than pentacostal preachers and always have. There is also more sex abuse among teachers in public schools than Catholic priests. Liberals love to paint all Catholic priests as sex abusers. The reason for that is simple. Follow the money. Jesus predicted 2,000 that forces of evil would always try to destroy his Pilgrim Church on Earth, but that He would be with them until the end of time. If the world stands 2,000 more years the Catholic Church will still be here.


41 posted on 07/05/2013 9:56:52 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Biggirl

Hopefully the Pope Pius XII will be the next canonized Pope.


42 posted on 07/05/2013 10:03:22 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Morgana

I agree and laziness regarding this issue can’t be pleasing to God.

The Tridentine Mass wasn’t codified centuries ago in order to be cast aside along with the rubrics, tenets, etc. that went out the window due to Vatican II.

Look what’s happened since that event: scandal upon scandal and a seriously declining attendance as well as a total disregard for the sanctity of the churches. A tabernacle that’s moved to a corner or even into a separate room, altar girls, confessionals that are seldom used in most parishes and a sort of club atmosphere before ‘masses’ where congregants arrive early in time to visit. It’s as though they didn’t expect anything important to happen.


43 posted on 07/06/2013 3:48:50 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: NotTallTex

It’s certainly refreshing to know that the Protestant Graham goes along with the conferring of sainthood.

I’ve lived entirely too long and watched the changes subsequent to Vatican II unfold and watched as the church disintegrated.

Nothing was done by these popes who were enthroned after Pius XII.

I feel those popes will owe our Maker quite an explanation and, due to their inaction or abetment, may not be on a fast track to Heaven let alone to Sainthood.


44 posted on 07/06/2013 3:53:17 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: livius

I agree with much of what you said; however, regarding JP’s travels and those who gained private audience, I would say that he was at the very least imprudent.

Anyone who believes that the discarding of the Church’s ancient liturgy and rubrics was a good thing need to rethink their Catholicism.


45 posted on 07/06/2013 3:55:50 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: plain talk

It is indeed a beef with Vatican II. That being the case it is also with those abetting and continuing that departure which was indeed the creation of a new religion entirely.


46 posted on 07/06/2013 3:57:24 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Morgana

How many kids got buggered while this “saint” was on watch? No way he didn’t know about it.


47 posted on 07/06/2013 4:28:31 AM PDT by strider44
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How many kids got buggered while this “saint” was on watch? No way he didn’t know about it.

The Vatican bureaucracy is smaller than the University of Notre Dame, and its budget is smaller than Harvard's endowment. The Church oversees a worldwide flock of 1 billion people.

Do you think that the pope is omniscient?

48 posted on 07/06/2013 4:36:55 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Typical celtic comment.

Hardly conservative.


49 posted on 07/06/2013 4:42:43 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
"po'gg mahoi'nn!"

Hows that for Celtic, Ibbie?

CC

50 posted on 07/06/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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