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Late Pope John Paul II to get sainthood, Vatican says
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Posted on 07/05/2013 12:23:49 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Celtic Conservative

guarda qui nn so se puo esserti utilie..


51 posted on 07/06/2013 7:01:44 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

“It’s as though they didn’t expect anything important to happen.”

Basically a Protestant worship service-nothing important happens.


52 posted on 07/06/2013 8:22:58 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: SpirituTuo

To answer your question, yes, all Catholics were administered a dose of poison. Some were killed, some survived, all have been weakened. The faith didn’t change, but its interpretation sure did. Your answer is equivalent to “ Oh well, that was then.” Well, that is what we are talking about.
The last three popes: JPII- great man, but we will see his fruits in the future, not now. Benedict XVI- quitter, still living the high life at the Vatican. Francis- way too soon to tell


53 posted on 07/06/2013 9:09:30 AM PDT by montaine
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To: Morgana

I’m glad to hear this.


54 posted on 07/06/2013 9:13:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

55 posted on 07/06/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Tax-chick

Particularly in the last years of his life, when he was very ill, he was an inspiration to me.


56 posted on 07/06/2013 9:49:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

He showed amazing courage all through his life.


57 posted on 07/06/2013 10:07:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Tax-chick

He did, and always with a cheerful heart.


58 posted on 07/06/2013 10:12:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

A person can do that when he’s very close to Jesus. Pope Francis keeps saying this.


59 posted on 07/06/2013 10:20:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: montaine

I disagree with you. Did bad things happen? You bet, like the whole Dignity organization. Vatican II wasn’t the problem, it was the rebels and those of ill will.

My take is that JPII realized people were interpreting V-II incorrectly, and tried to refocus. His Theology of the Body talks were to support Humana Vitae, as well as highlight the Church’s unchanging position on all aspects of human sexuality. That’s just one example. Additionally, his re-stating and highlighting orthodoxy is given as a primary cause for an increase in vocations.

BXVI took it a step forward, by teaching, in a more accessible manner, not only the eternal truths, but also demonstrating the lineage of the teachings.

Francis is demonstrating Faith through Action. While preaching daily, he also demonstrates what he teaches.


60 posted on 07/06/2013 10:32:30 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: IbJensen
"Almira Gulch...For twenty-three years I've been dying to tell you what I thought of you! And now...well, being a Christian woman, I can't say it!"
61 posted on 07/06/2013 1:18:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (-- Aunt Em)
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To: NotTallTex
Tainted sainthood hardly. Even Billy Graham called John Paul II a saint. He, Reagan and Thatcher changed the world. Too bad it’s changed back.

The only force in the universe strong enough to defeat the masses of idiots went to the cross 2000 years ago and he won't be back for another 2000000000000000000000000 years.
62 posted on 07/06/2013 2:46:39 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The Vatican bureaucracy is smaller than the University of Notre Dame, and its budget is smaller than Harvard's endowment. The Church oversees a worldwide flock of 1 billion people. Do you think that the pope is omniscient?

Meanwhile St Obama of Hell couldn't even look after Benghazi but is instantly excused by his followers.
63 posted on 07/06/2013 2:49:23 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If he wasn’t a saint when he died, he isn’t becoming one now...

Yep. Scripture says I'm already a saint...and that anything other than that has its roots in Babylon...

64 posted on 07/06/2013 3:47:35 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

Amen


65 posted on 07/06/2013 3:48:09 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: SpirituTuo

I will say that we have a difference of opinion on Vatican II and where Angelo Roncali will spend eternity and leave it at that.
About our Holy Fathers: all of them find out pretty quickly that what they say, goes. JPII immediately rehabilitated Sr. Faustina and changed the rules to canonize her. (the change from which his own cause benefits) Benedict XVI quickly righted a great wrong by issuing his moto propito about the Tridentine mass, then when storms shook the ship of the Church, he found the lifeboat and bailed. And the self-styled “bishop of the diocese of Rome” nevertheless used his pontifical powers to find a way to make someone he approved of a Saint of the Catholic Church, despite the previously slackened rules.
So they know they can do what they want. So, when something is conspicuously left undone by a saint like JPII(Vatican Bank, sex scandal, “gay lobbies” in the church) what are we poor laity to believe, what we hear from the Vatican, or our own lying eyes?


66 posted on 07/06/2013 5:31:17 PM PDT by montaine
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree.


67 posted on 07/06/2013 8:49:04 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: IbJensen

ditto’s.


68 posted on 07/06/2013 8:49:39 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: IbJensen
I disagree. I think he is a saint. But then I think my definition of saint isnt quite the same as that propounded by the Vatican.

I thought you had to do at least two miracles to get the official Catholic stamp of holiness?

69 posted on 07/07/2013 1:58:30 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: wideawake

Yeah, I wonder why people would ever believe that thinking for yourself instead of taking the word of an obscure group of wise men would be a good thing?


70 posted on 07/07/2013 2:02:20 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

LOL...well Catholics sure think he is!!


71 posted on 07/07/2013 2:04:51 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Morgana

Do you think your last comment is really honoring to God?


72 posted on 07/07/2013 2:06:12 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

—— LOL...well Catholics sure think he is!! ——

You may be confusing what Catholics believe, and what Protestants think Catholics believe.


73 posted on 07/07/2013 3:39:21 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Vanders9
I think my last comment was truthful based on past experience.
74 posted on 07/07/2013 9:08:08 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: montaine

It is easy to sit back and judge. While established by Jesus Christ, the church is still operated by humans.

We expect perfection, but is that realistic?

Consider how Pius XII has been treated. He didn’t “do enough,” to stop the Holocaust.

The position of Supreme Pontiff is exhausting to consider, and we should be willing to cut him a little slack.


75 posted on 07/07/2013 10:26:55 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Vanders9

Were you born omniscient? Did you discover all of the world’s truths, science, philosophy, etc., all by yourself?

Who taught you anything?


76 posted on 07/07/2013 10:30:12 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Morgana

Well you must have had some very bad experiences to dismiss the spiritual experiences of hundreds of millions of people so lightly. I’m sorry.


77 posted on 07/07/2013 2:25:22 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yeah, I know Papal Infallibility is only restricted to certain times and places but all the same I just found the way that statement was put really funny.


78 posted on 07/07/2013 2:26:31 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: SpirituTuo

No, but then neither was anyone else.


79 posted on 07/07/2013 2:27:46 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Morgana

I think December 8 probably get chosen as sainthood swearing in or whatver they call it in Cathoic church


80 posted on 07/07/2013 3:48:23 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: All

Honest Question for my Catholic friends here...has/does/can the church ever “Saint” anyone who is not Catholic?

Just would love to see St. Ronaldus Magnus or St. Thatcher of Iron go in along with JP2.

Seriously though, in a world where so many “religious leaders” range from charlatans to milquetoast, great to see honor given to JP2, who even I a lowly protestant see as a good man who loved God and used that Love as motivation to do great things on earth....or as we say sometimes, did not have his head in the clouds so much that he was not of any earthly good.


81 posted on 07/07/2013 7:23:59 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Morgana

This is no different than “someone else we know”, getting an incredibly undeserved NPP.


82 posted on 07/08/2013 10:27:31 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: Tax-chick; morgan; Biggirl; SpirituTuo; wideawake; trisham; Mrs. Don-o
When John Paul made the first visit by a pope to Brazil, in 1980, nearly 90 percent of the population considered itself Catholic; by the 2010 census, that had fallen to under two-thirds, with the number of Brazilians calling themselves Protestants rising to 22 percent from 6 percent during the same period.

The situation here in Rio underscores the growing challenge to the Catholic church. According to census data, the growth of evangelical Protestantism, secularism and African-Brazilian faiths like candomblé has been so pronounced that Catholics no longer constitute a majority of the population in Rio de Janeiro State.

Well done, JP II! Look how you have decimated the Catholic Church in Latin America, under thirty years of your watch.

Pope, in an Angered Brazil, to Focus on Social Justice

83 posted on 07/20/2013 4:59:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
You can't be foolish enough to think that cultural shift was John Paul II's fault.
84 posted on 07/20/2013 5:01:59 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

"Foolish", you say?

85 posted on 07/20/2013 5:12:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

A contextless photograph as rejoinder? I’m clearly dealing with a deep thinker.


86 posted on 07/20/2013 5:41:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

amazing the intrigues of men, of personalities. ah, the church has progressed from its biblical ideals.


87 posted on 07/20/2013 5:44:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That was sufficiently vague.


88 posted on 07/20/2013 5:46:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

funny how the roman catholics are always alleging the existence of 18 jillion variants of the scripture to their protestant and orthodox brethren (ignoring the reality of how it actually plays out), then forever among the roman catholics the intrigue is what pope and what person and what prelate and what cardinal said this or that or when and how. when you presume to be able to build your own uber-bible it soon expands to unmanageable proportions!


89 posted on 07/20/2013 5:50:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: wideawake

Google “From Ecumenism to Silent Apostasy; 25 Years of Pontificate”. Read it all; and then get back to me.

Otherwise, you’re the shallow thinker.


90 posted on 07/20/2013 5:56:40 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Gossip and backbiting are common human phenomena, hardly limited to Catholics.

There is no "uber-Bible."

There is a Bible and there is an authentic interpretation thereof.

The rest is private judgment and chatter.

91 posted on 07/20/2013 5:58:46 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: HiTech RedNeck
build your own uber-bible it soon expands to unmanageable proportions!

The Catechism of the Cathoic Church is 825 pages long. That's long, but not unimaginable. We are talking about the teachings of Christ's Church on earth.

Then again, the Catechism doesn't exhaust all of our knowledge about our faith. How could it?

The faith is simple enough for a child to grasp (the Golden Rule), and deep enough to drown an elephant (St. Thomas Aquinas).

92 posted on 07/20/2013 6:02:33 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ebb tide
I'm well acquainted with the constant stream of self-serving blather emanating from the SSPX.

Do you know who St. John Bosco was?

93 posted on 07/20/2013 6:03:35 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: IbJensen
John Paul is no saint as he found out when he faced his Maker.

Are you a necromancer?

94 posted on 07/20/2013 6:08:23 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: GraceG; Morgana
During his childhood, he had a al ot of contact with his hometown Wadowice's large Jewish community. School soccer games were often organized between teams of Jews and Catholics, and the future Pope often played on the Jewish side. His Jewish friends from student days called him Lolek.

I want to call him St. Lolek the Mensch.

95 posted on 07/20/2013 6:22:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: IbJensen

Pooh.


96 posted on 07/20/2013 6:23:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Morgana
Nobody says a person "becomes" a saint upon canonization. Saints are the family, he community, the people of God, both here and hereafter. In this world, and in the next one.

Canonization just means a formal recognition of that fact, always in consideration of a life which was not sinless, but marked by heroic virtue, and sometimes, martyrdom.

There are a whole heck of a lot more holy people in heaven, than there are canonized saints. I think everybody knows that.

97 posted on 07/20/2013 6:28:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: montaine
You are not the judge.

Thanks be to God.

What a presumptuous post.

98 posted on 07/20/2013 6:31:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: PaleoBob

Bless you PaleobBob!

May you be blessed here and hereafter!


99 posted on 07/20/2013 6:34:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: wideawake

You obviously did not read the statement that I had recommended to you.

Yes, I know who St John Bosco is (not “was””, for your information). I also know who the devil’s advocate “was”, but is no longer thanks to you’re target of adulation.


100 posted on 07/20/2013 6:36:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
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