Skip to comments.Late Pope John Paul II to get sainthood, Vatican says
Posted on 07/05/2013 12:23:49 PM PDT by Morgana
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guarda qui nn so se puo esserti utilie..
“Its as though they didnt expect anything important to happen.”
Basically a Protestant worship service-nothing important happens.
To answer your question, yes, all Catholics were administered a dose of poison. Some were killed, some survived, all have been weakened. The faith didn’t change, but its interpretation sure did. Your answer is equivalent to “ Oh well, that was then.” Well, that is what we are talking about.
The last three popes: JPII- great man, but we will see his fruits in the future, not now. Benedict XVI- quitter, still living the high life at the Vatican. Francis- way too soon to tell
I’m glad to hear this.
Particularly in the last years of his life, when he was very ill, he was an inspiration to me.
He showed amazing courage all through his life.
He did, and always with a cheerful heart.
A person can do that when he’s very close to Jesus. Pope Francis keeps saying this.
I disagree with you. Did bad things happen? You bet, like the whole Dignity organization. Vatican II wasn’t the problem, it was the rebels and those of ill will.
My take is that JPII realized people were interpreting V-II incorrectly, and tried to refocus. His Theology of the Body talks were to support Humana Vitae, as well as highlight the Church’s unchanging position on all aspects of human sexuality. That’s just one example. Additionally, his re-stating and highlighting orthodoxy is given as a primary cause for an increase in vocations.
BXVI took it a step forward, by teaching, in a more accessible manner, not only the eternal truths, but also demonstrating the lineage of the teachings.
Francis is demonstrating Faith through Action. While preaching daily, he also demonstrates what he teaches.
Yep. Scripture says I'm already a saint...and that anything other than that has its roots in Babylon...
I will say that we have a difference of opinion on Vatican II and where Angelo Roncali will spend eternity and leave it at that.
About our Holy Fathers: all of them find out pretty quickly that what they say, goes. JPII immediately rehabilitated Sr. Faustina and changed the rules to canonize her. (the change from which his own cause benefits) Benedict XVI quickly righted a great wrong by issuing his moto propito about the Tridentine mass, then when storms shook the ship of the Church, he found the lifeboat and bailed. And the self-styled “bishop of the diocese of Rome” nevertheless used his pontifical powers to find a way to make someone he approved of a Saint of the Catholic Church, despite the previously slackened rules.
So they know they can do what they want. So, when something is conspicuously left undone by a saint like JPII(Vatican Bank, sex scandal, “gay lobbies” in the church) what are we poor laity to believe, what we hear from the Vatican, or our own lying eyes?
I thought you had to do at least two miracles to get the official Catholic stamp of holiness?
Yeah, I wonder why people would ever believe that thinking for yourself instead of taking the word of an obscure group of wise men would be a good thing?
LOL...well Catholics sure think he is!!
Do you think your last comment is really honoring to God?
—— LOL...well Catholics sure think he is!! ——
You may be confusing what Catholics believe, and what Protestants think Catholics believe.
It is easy to sit back and judge. While established by Jesus Christ, the church is still operated by humans.
We expect perfection, but is that realistic?
Consider how Pius XII has been treated. He didn’t “do enough,” to stop the Holocaust.
The position of Supreme Pontiff is exhausting to consider, and we should be willing to cut him a little slack.
Were you born omniscient? Did you discover all of the world’s truths, science, philosophy, etc., all by yourself?
Who taught you anything?
Well you must have had some very bad experiences to dismiss the spiritual experiences of hundreds of millions of people so lightly. I’m sorry.
Yeah, I know Papal Infallibility is only restricted to certain times and places but all the same I just found the way that statement was put really funny.
No, but then neither was anyone else.
I think December 8 probably get chosen as sainthood swearing in or whatver they call it in Cathoic church
Honest Question for my Catholic friends here...has/does/can the church ever “Saint” anyone who is not Catholic?
Just would love to see St. Ronaldus Magnus or St. Thatcher of Iron go in along with JP2.
Seriously though, in a world where so many “religious leaders” range from charlatans to milquetoast, great to see honor given to JP2, who even I a lowly protestant see as a good man who loved God and used that Love as motivation to do great things on earth....or as we say sometimes, did not have his head in the clouds so much that he was not of any earthly good.
This is no different than “someone else we know”, getting an incredibly undeserved NPP.
The situation here in Rio underscores the growing challenge to the Catholic church. According to census data, the growth of evangelical Protestantism, secularism and African-Brazilian faiths like candomblé has been so pronounced that Catholics no longer constitute a majority of the population in Rio de Janeiro State.
Well done, JP II! Look how you have decimated the Catholic Church in Latin America, under thirty years of your watch.
"Foolish", you say?
A contextless photograph as rejoinder? I’m clearly dealing with a deep thinker.
amazing the intrigues of men, of personalities. ah, the church has progressed from its biblical ideals.
That was sufficiently vague.
funny how the roman catholics are always alleging the existence of 18 jillion variants of the scripture to their protestant and orthodox brethren (ignoring the reality of how it actually plays out), then forever among the roman catholics the intrigue is what pope and what person and what prelate and what cardinal said this or that or when and how. when you presume to be able to build your own uber-bible it soon expands to unmanageable proportions!
Google “From Ecumenism to Silent Apostasy; 25 Years of Pontificate”. Read it all; and then get back to me.
Otherwise, you’re the shallow thinker.
There is no "uber-Bible."
There is a Bible and there is an authentic interpretation thereof.
The rest is private judgment and chatter.
The Catechism of the Cathoic Church is 825 pages long. That's long, but not unimaginable. We are talking about the teachings of Christ's Church on earth.
Then again, the Catechism doesn't exhaust all of our knowledge about our faith. How could it?
The faith is simple enough for a child to grasp (the Golden Rule), and deep enough to drown an elephant (St. Thomas Aquinas).
Do you know who St. John Bosco was?
Are you a necromancer?
I want to call him St. Lolek the Mensch.
Canonization just means a formal recognition of that fact, always in consideration of a life which was not sinless, but marked by heroic virtue, and sometimes, martyrdom.
There are a whole heck of a lot more holy people in heaven, than there are canonized saints. I think everybody knows that.
Thanks be to God.
What a presumptuous post.
Bless you PaleobBob!
May you be blessed here and hereafter!
You obviously did not read the statement that I had recommended to you.
Yes, I know who St John Bosco is (not “was””, for your information). I also know who the devil’s advocate “was”, but is no longer thanks to you’re target of adulation.