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To: Rusty0604

Isn’t this just a form of what the San Francisco Committee on Vigilance did back in the 1850s ? I really don’t believe there is a citizen right to indict if there is a belief that justice has been subverted. Race hustlers like Al Sharpton would love something like this to become a standard practice for aggrieved communities.


16 posted on 07/05/2013 2:52:21 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: xkaydet65
Isn’t this just a form of what the San Francisco Committee on Vigilance did back in the 1850s?

I don't know; I've never heard of SFCV.

I really don’t believe there is a citizen right to indict if there is a belief that justice has been subverted.

What, then, is a presentment?

17 posted on 07/05/2013 3:02:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: xkaydet65

no kiding. Be careful what you give credence to. The Sharptons and SJlee’s of the world would have a mainstream press enabled heyday.


18 posted on 07/05/2013 3:13:27 PM PDT by ping jockey
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To: xkaydet65

First I ever heard of it, so I looked it up:
WHEREAS it has become apparent to the citizens of San Francisco, that there is no security for life and property, either under the regulations of society as it at present exists, or under the law as now administered; Therefore the citizens, whose names are hereunto attached, do unit themselves into an association for the maintenance of the peace and good order of society, and the preservation of the lives and property of the citizens of San Francisco, and do bind ourselves, each unto the other, to do and perform every lawful act for the maintenance of law and order, and to sustain the laws when faithfully and properly administered; but we are determined that no thief, burglar, incendiary or assassin, shall escape punishment, either by the quibbles of the law, the insecurity of prisons. the carelessness or corruption of the police, or a laxity of those who pretend to administer justice. ”

It boasted a membership of 700 and claimed to operate in parallel to, and in defiance of, the duly constituted city government. Committee members used its headquarters for the interrogation and incarceration of suspects who were denied the benefits of due process. The Committee engaged in policing, investigating disreputable boarding houses and vessels, deporting immigrants, and parading its militia. Four people were hanged by the Committee; one was whipped (a common punishment at that time); fourteen were deported to Australia; fourteen were informally ordered to leave California; fifteen were handed over to public authorities; and forty-one were discharged. The 1851 Committee of Vigilance was dissolved during the September elections, but its executive members continued to meet into 1853.
The Committee of Vigilance was reorganized on 14 May 1856 by many of the leaders from the first one and adopted an amended version of the 1851 constitution.[3] Unlike the earlier Committee, and the vigilante tradition generally, the 1856 Committee was concerned with not only civil crimes but also politics and political corruption.[3] The catalyst for the Committee was a murder, in the guise of a political duel in which James P. Casey shot opposition newspaper editor James King of William. The 1856 Committee was also much larger, claiming 6,000 in its ranks. The 1856 Committee of Vigilance dissolved on 11 August 1856, and marked the occasion with a “Grand Parade.”[3]

Political power in San Francisco was transferred to a new political party established by the vigilantes, the People’s Party, which ruled until 1867 and was eventually absorbed into the Republican Party.


23 posted on 07/05/2013 3:43:59 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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