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4th of July DUI checkpoint
Liveleak.com ^ | 07/05/2013 | Livelurked

Posted on 07/05/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by DariusBane

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; 4thamendmentissues; checkpoints; donutwatch; govtabuse; policestate; rapeofliberty; tyranny
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4th Amendment is simply ignored. This is a common occurrence in our country. Happens most nights somewhere.

Many Freepers will support the use of roadblocks "if it saves just one life".

What is instructive is that the Police know they are skirting the law but continue anyway. The purpose of the exercise by the Police seems to be intimidation in order to ensure future cooperation from the man who dared to resist them. One cop says "he is innocent, and knows his rights", but keeps at it. Why? To intimidate. The Cops used the K-9 to generate probable cause. However all they had to say was "furtive look" or some such b.s. as the goal is to subvert the 4th.

You LEO types here on FR. I really can't wait to here your defense of this practice. The other FR type, the "Law and Order' conservative, I want to hear you justify checkpoints in general. Checkpoints will always lead to this behavior on the part of Law Enforcement. So I want to hear you justify the need for checkpoints on the basis of this video.

1 posted on 07/05/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by DariusBane
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To: DariusBane
You LEO types here on FR. I really can't wait to here your defense of this practice.

You'll be waiting a long time to hear that from me. I despise checkpoints.

2 posted on 07/05/2013 3:38:12 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: DariusBane
You can add me to the list of FReepers who think checkpoints are an abomination and an assault on our civil liberties.
They've always reminded me of the checkpoints run by the Nazis you see in old world war II movies 'Your papers please'
3 posted on 07/05/2013 3:45:36 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: DariusBane
What's with all the hostility? It's like you're trying to pick a fight for some reason.

You LEO types here on FR. I really can't wait to here your defense of this practice. The other FR type, the "Law and Order' conservative, I want to hear you justify checkpoints in general.

Nice to know that everyone here has been lumped into either the LEO type or the "Law and Order" type. Which one of those are you?

4 posted on 07/05/2013 3:48:01 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: DariusBane

The least they could have done is clean him up using some hickory stick shampoo and capcacin face wash.


5 posted on 07/05/2013 3:48:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DariusBane

I am apalled by the jack booted thugs!


6 posted on 07/05/2013 3:48:59 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: DariusBane

DUI checkpoints in Texas are non existent. Outlawed as unconstitutional about 25 years ago.


7 posted on 07/05/2013 3:52:07 PM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: DariusBane

We already live in a de facto police state. I do my best to avoid any contact with law enforcement.


8 posted on 07/05/2013 3:53:12 PM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: DariusBane

Maybe I don’t get out much but I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread that was dominated by folks who approve of checkpoints.


9 posted on 07/05/2013 3:55:55 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: eastforker
DUI checkpoints in Texas are non existent. Outlawed as unconstitutional about 25 years ago.

How is it possible that Texas can function without checkpoints?

10 posted on 07/05/2013 3:57:51 PM PDT by exist
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To: DariusBane

Welcome to fortress Amerika. I love the fact that they never even asked if he was drinking at a Dui check point. Btw chechpoint roadblocks all that crap is perfectly legal according to the judicial oligarchy overlords that rule us.


11 posted on 07/05/2013 3:58:32 PM PDT by Brasky (You miss every shot you never take)
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To: DariusBane

12 posted on 07/05/2013 3:59:00 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: FoxInSocks

I have been Freeping since 2005. I have had this tussle over the 4th amendment over and over.

So if I seem to be picking a fight? I am.

I believe in small government, enumerated federal powers.

We live an an anti constitutional era. I find law and order conservatives to be mystifying. I just can’t understand the juxtaposition of small government, liberty, Natural Law and the acceptance of huge over funded Police Departments.

Law exists to protect the individual. Law exists to ensure that the stronger party cannot force the weaker party into subservience. Law exists to enforce contracts, and allow the pursuit of life liberty and happiness. I just can’t see how that squares with powerful ever present police with so many regs they could never fit them into the trunk of a police car.

I want weak government, strong individuals. Constitutional governance.


13 posted on 07/05/2013 3:59:24 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Brasky

14 posted on 07/05/2013 3:59:57 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 109ACS

We already live in a de facto police state. I do my best to avoid any contact with law enforcement.


Same here.

Sheriffs and their deputies are the exception.


15 posted on 07/05/2013 4:00:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: DariusBane

16 posted on 07/05/2013 4:01:12 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: DariusBane

Drag drunk drivers out from behind the wheel and string them up from the nearest lightpole for other drivers to witness. Then the need for checkpoints will simply disappear.


17 posted on 07/05/2013 4:02:04 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: exist

Well there immigration checkpoints closer to the border but not DUI checkpoints.They tried that many years ago, they were taken to court and it was ruled unconstitutional by state law. Back then you could still legally drink and drive as long as you weren’t drunk.


18 posted on 07/05/2013 4:02:43 PM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: eastforker

Unfortuately not here in JawJaw.


19 posted on 07/05/2013 4:04:50 PM PDT by rhubarbk
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To: DariusBane

I guess if the government set up these checkpoints looking for illegal alien invaders, that would be considered violating somebody’s “civil rights”.


20 posted on 07/05/2013 4:05:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: 109ACS

They’ve already locked-down parts of Boston, DC, NYC, and LA to some type of martial law (drills and random searches, “papers please,” no passing until you are searched, etc.). So, they’ve got the coasts.

We within 100 miles of the border are impeded and interrogated, dare we go sightseeing or travel for business. I was stopped at four checkpoints one day in TX/NM, and missed reaching my next destination on time (the monument where I was headed closed at 5 pm). Dogs sniffing your vehicle, all privacy invaded, intrusive questions to try to trick you — all in the primary line.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 4:07:07 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: FoxInSocks; DariusBane
Nice to know that everyone here has been lumped into either the LEO type or the "Law and Order" type. Which one of those are you?

Not sure about anyone else, but for me I have had no problems dealing with Police Officers. I do have a problem dealing with Law Enforcement Officers. That you cannot tell the difference is the real problem in our society.

22 posted on 07/05/2013 4:08:20 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: FoxInSocks

“What’s with all the hostility? It’s like you’re trying to pick a fight for some reason. “

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You beat me to it.:-)

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23 posted on 07/05/2013 4:09:25 PM PDT by Mears
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To: DariusBane
The police officer is used to people being submissive and cowardly.. He could have explained he wanted the window down to get a better whiff of his breath.. but noooooo.. He is the authority.. How dare this kid question him and stand up for himself..

It really does feel like a police state when you see videos like this. If you don't give up your rights they will make your life miserable.. And these were basically good cops.. Imagine what dirty cops would have done to him.
25 posted on 07/05/2013 4:10:59 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Of course those sorts of checkpoints are not right culturally, and unconstitutional to boot.

Immigration is easy to fix if we want to fix it. No checkpoints required.

No healtcare unless you can pay cash. No housing without showing and verifying your green card. No access to schools without showing and verifying a green card. Everything else people talk about in regards to illegal immigrants is just stupid.


26 posted on 07/05/2013 4:11:42 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Mears

I am trying to start a fight. Why not. This stop happened on Independence day, so I’m in the mood.


27 posted on 07/05/2013 4:13:56 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: 109ACS
We already live in a de facto police state. I do my best to avoid any contact with law enforcement

Actually, that's a real good policy..

Always try to avoid calling a government agency...

28 posted on 07/05/2013 4:16:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Good ol Officer A.J. Jackass


29 posted on 07/05/2013 4:21:21 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: DariusBane

The only checkpoint I would approve of is if a dangerous criminal had hijacked a car or taken a driver hostage or an amber alert situation. And then the only thing the cops are allowed to do is look to see who is in the car.


30 posted on 07/05/2013 4:26:56 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Ben Mugged

He was a drunk! I swear! That’s why we hanged him! LOL. I hope that the power of BIG GOVT never has the power that you propose.


31 posted on 07/05/2013 4:30:39 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: DariusBane

I believe most who read and post here are like-minded and agree with the ideology you outlined.

I don’t see the sense or the amusement of fighting everyone here, though.


32 posted on 07/05/2013 4:34:30 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Borax Queen

Actually more extensive operations than those you describe have been done in some smaller Southern cities. In Jackson, Mississippi and Helena, Arkansas police at the direction of the mayor closed off certain parts of both cities allowing traffic to enter only on a few arterial streets. At the same time public housing developments were closed to all traffic except through one entrance/exit gate. Police controlled traffic at both types of entrances. In the housing developments ID was required to enter or leave. Those who either had no ID or who did not live in the projects could be detained by police. Police on both areas routinely stopped cars and demanded ID. Was this done by racist white cops back in the 60’s? No, both programs were carried out by black mayors with black police chiefs and heavily black police departments. .It was done in attempts to control drug trafficking and gang violence. Interestingly in Jackson the only real dissent came from a senior patrol commander who was white and had started with the department back at the end of the civil rights struggle. He was told to shut up and carry out his orders or retire.


33 posted on 07/05/2013 4:36:43 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: FoxInSocks

FreeRepublic has changed a bit. It has changed because of a relentless posting of articles like this. So far nobody has supported this. Five years ago? Maybe not.

plus... Lighten up Francis


34 posted on 07/05/2013 4:37:01 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Borax Queen

Some of the videos I saw from the Boston lockdown were frightful. But they got by with it, didn’t they?


35 posted on 07/05/2013 4:39:33 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DariusBane
I want weak government, strong individuals. Constitutional governance.

Amen!

36 posted on 07/05/2013 4:40:17 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: 101stAirborneVet
I would have done the exact same thing as this young man.

In America, you have to show your papers to travel from point A to point B?

It'll make things harder on me, but I don't give a rats patookie. I won't be bullied like some type of criminal.

We don't have checkpoints here in Texas...thank goodness, but I believe they'll be coming. We have mandatory blood draws if someone refuses a breath analyzer.

The issue is, they'll hold you down and take it regardless of the 5th amendment...no choice.

Two instances lately of Tx DPS pulling over individuals and trumped up “I smell the odor of marijuana” accusation then leading to a search of their vehicle and roadside cavity searches....no dope was found.

So, wonder what happens if a diabetic is pulled over and they cannot answer the officers questions because of a hyper or hypoglycemic reaction?

Do they plant his/her face into the cement, handcuff them and forcefully draw their blood?

Slippery slope y'all. Slippery slope.

37 posted on 07/05/2013 4:44:32 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: robowombat

I didn’t hear about that, but I have heard about some horrible police state stuff and “drills” in TN and Arkansas... I’m so sad when I hear about it happening in the South. Today’s movies/entertainment/tv are helping acclimate/brainwash people to it too.


38 posted on 07/05/2013 4:47:09 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: DariusBane
I want weak government, strong individuals. Constitutional governance.

You would love my sons.

39 posted on 07/05/2013 4:50:10 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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To: Rusty0604

They always do, don’t they? Not enough wake up or stay home or protest.... The nodding sheeple are just like the smiling lady in post 14, happy while the TSA jackboots molest her. It’s all for her “safety.”

All people had to do when TSA started cooking people with cancer blasts and molesting was all sit down in line at once. Even at just one terminal in one airport. Yes, they might have been pepper sprayed (depending on local sheriffs/LE), but a little civil disobedience might have stopped the speed-racing police state. But no...


40 posted on 07/05/2013 4:50:44 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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Check points are foolish, the police are begging for a terrorist suicide driver.


41 posted on 07/05/2013 4:52:10 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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The actions I described are unconstitutional and , in the case of Jackson, ms been ended. However, what generated them has not. Many smaller Southern cities, Jackson, Ms, Jackson, Tn, Helena and Pine Bluff Ak and increasingly Shreveport , La and Mobile, Al are becoming the resort of gangs of young black criminals. Drug dealing is their biggest source of revenue but their actions engenders a generally lawless and depraved environment. The root cause is the collapse of the black family in working class and lower economic class black areas. The real depravity of many of these people cannot be imagined if you don’t brush up against them from time to time.


42 posted on 07/05/2013 5:01:24 PM PDT by robowombat
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I know a guy who was picked up 6 times at DWI checkpoints, has served time for DWI, has admitted it's all true, and now we see him walking around town drunk, because he doesn't have a ride. He's says he can't and won't stop drinking. I'm kind of glad for these checkpoints, because each one he was caught at was at the entrance to the village where there were a lot of kids riding bikes, playing in their front yards, etc At one of the check points, the guy plowed into a police car, and about 100 yards up the same road it would have been a group of kids playing basketball under a street light instead of the police car.

The year my brother graduated from HS, they had a Sr skip day. Almost all of the kids went to a local beach. It got around the crowd that the police had set up checkpoints at various locations along the route home. Friends my brother had (8 of them, I'm glad he rode home with someone else) jammed themselves into a car and used back roads to evade the police. One mile from home, the guy driving crashed into a tree killing himself, his sister, two girls that were ejected from the car and critically injuring the rest. My father was one of the first firefighters on the scene. He couldn't identify four of my brothers friends, but knew the car. Later, they gave him the job of telling the parents their two kids, twins, a boy and a girl, were dead and the whole classes graduation ceremony basically became a funeral.

Seven miles from my house, in an area known for it's DWI checkpoint (that keeps catching drunk drivers because their stupidly drunk) night turned into day and a young mother was taking her little girl to daycare. As she waited to turn in, a drunk that had been trying to “sleep it off” in his car awoke, blood alcohol still double what was legal, pulled out from the bar, drove the 5 blocks it took to reach the women's car waiting to turn in, didn't even put his brakes on — rammed her car from behind instantly killing the four year old. My husband's first death as a new firefighter. He worked frantically to free the little girl as the mother screamed and cried for her daughter. When they got her out of all of the mangled steel, my husband realized the little girl was our little girl's age, same brown hair, same Disney backpack. He almost lost it. But held it together to try and revive the little girl, but she was already dead. He came home not being able to get that sight and the screaming sobs of the mother out of his head. And then the drunk guy, sitting on the curb, “Can I leave now?” It took almost every police officer, firefighter, and onlooker all of their strength to not smash that guy in the face.

These are only a few examples. I can't say what would have happened if the drunk drivers that were caught at the checkpoints had made it through. I only know what happened to many that evaded the checkpoints and the outcomes were tragic. So when, at least where I live, many drunks are stopped at checkpoints, I'm glad.

43 posted on 07/05/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: DariusBane

It’s amazing.... It’s a DUI checkpoint and they never even raised the issue of whether or not he actually had had any alcohol!


44 posted on 07/05/2013 5:08:09 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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Government has contributed to drunk driving by a series of magnitudes, by aiding and abetting lawless open borders...

Tens of thousands Illegal aliens have left a landscape of broken and dead American victims in their path...and continue to do so.

Thank you government.


45 posted on 07/05/2013 5:13:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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His lack of rolling down the window triggered this. He knew it. If you won’t roll down your window at a DUI checkpoint you certainly appear to be hiding something or keeping odors of alcohol or other substances from leaving the vehicle. So I do not fault officers for going an extra step after he pulled that.

The fake hit with the dogs was the worst part. That should be investigated.


46 posted on 07/05/2013 5:15:31 PM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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Nice mini-novel. You should entitle it "The Utter Failure of Checkpoints."

Both examples you posit show how checkpoints didn't do a thing to prevent death or injury from via drivers. In fact, regarding your first example, one could argue that the checkpoint indirectly caused the accident.

47 posted on 07/05/2013 5:15:38 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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“His lack of rolling down the window triggered this. He knew it. If you won’t roll down your window at a DUI checkpoint you certainly appear to be hiding something or keeping odors of alcohol or other substances from leaving the vehicle. So I do not fault officers for going an extra step after he pulled that.”

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?

Wow...


48 posted on 07/05/2013 5:19:28 PM PDT by Backstop73 (Always reading, seldom posting.)
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To: AAABEST

Did you read the whole thing? Many hundreds, perhaps thousands over the years have been stopped at checkpoints. I pointed to the carnage of just two that got through.


49 posted on 07/05/2013 5:20:11 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: AAABEST
Let's hear your story on how a police car parked on the side of the road caused a drunk to hit it.
50 posted on 07/05/2013 5:24:40 PM PDT by MacMattico
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