Skip to comments.Is the Zimmerman Case Really Open and Shut?
Posted on 07/05/2013 7:10:43 PM PDT by Nachum
Is the Zimmerman case really open and shut?
Many conservatives seem to think so. But are they letting leftists dictate their conclusion? Are they not guilty of the same rush to judgment that made liberals convict Zimmerman before the facts, and merely reacting to that injustice rather than to the actual elements of the case? Is it not possible that they are themselves victims of a toxic environment that polarizes all things racial?
It is a fact that many, if not most conservatives have already concluded that George Zimmerman is innocent of any crime in connection with Trayvon Martins death and should be acquitted if justice is to be served. Indeed, this opinion was formed long before the trial began as a reaction to the outcry of liberals that Zimmerman was guilty and guilty of being white and that the crime was murder, and must be punished. But just because a lynch mob has formed to condemn Zimmerman in advance of the facts, does not mean one must conclude that Zimmerman is innocent of Trayvon Martins death.
The political melodrama that surrounds, and often overwhelms the judgments in this case reflects a culture war that has been roiling in this country for decades. It is a war in which the liberal ethos of political correctness requires that whites are bad and blacks are victims. Right-thinking individuals are justified in rejecting this poisonous standard. But in the interests of justice, the political melodrama should also not be allowed to obscure the reality of this trial: it is about the death of an unarmed 17-year-old, who was not a felon, who was on a neighborhood run to get Skittles, and whose life has been extinguished. Given that the young man was unarmed and that he inflicted very superficial injuries on
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So much for the 2nd amendment, eh David?
Someone needs to bang Horowitz’s head on the pavement a few times.
The prosecutor will start warning the jury that if they find Zimmerman not guilty there will be riots in the streets and the police will not be able to protect them as they leave the court house.
Didn't know this.
So the neocons want him to do time?
Michael Savage on George Zimmerman: You have to find this man guilty [AUDIO]
You nailed it. The verdict is going to depend on how much these six women feel threatened that race riots are going to break out. IMHO.
Horowitz lost credibility when he brought up “Stand Your Ground.” It simply does not apply. If it did not exist the case at hand would not be affected.
Maybe they already have.
IIRC, from the re-enactment video, there were 3 foot tall hedges along the back of the apartments.
What clap trap, this guy refuses to look at the complete lack of evidence. The kid is not a felon because he is a minor, an adult would be in jail already for some of his pranks.
The same skittles candy being all about a kid with a sweet tooth, when a little effort on his part would reveal a little more into the nature of skittles and Arizona watermelon flavored juice drink (not tea).
Or maybe a look into some of his tweets where he brags about making purple drank and a sundrie of other home brew drug cocktails.
Justice will not be served by this court.
Let me tell you something you jack wagon.
I feel like it’s over I’ll grab whatever to stop the violence being visited upon me that might end my life.
It only takes one wrong thing to happen and George is never heard from or about again.
That’s right. Think brain damage or worse. It happens and as it so happen here George was gettin g his head hammered into the ground.
Superficial wounds? You Poosy. You fairy. Limp wristed, high minded, well cuddled moralist.
I guarantee you have never been in a fight.
You have no idea what being thrown around feels like or getting a well delivered knuckle sandwich right your nose, your eye socket ir having your head slammed into concrete.
GFY. I never thought about race until high brows like you brought it up and I don’t see how it’s Germain to anything in this case, as far as cause and causality are concerned.
and.. if this were the case, why didn’t the prosecution hone in on that?
That's from About David Horowitz on the linked site. From this disjointed, illogical screed, it's clear that Horowitz is not a Conservative. I now have my doubts if he ever was. This was the guy who edited Ramparts, an organ of the far-left. It seems he's simply revealing his true self.
It is open and shut. The preponderance of evidence shows Zimmerman’s innocence and he will be found guilty by political necessity.
The prosecution presented excellent evidence for the defense despite the pandering of a very biased judge that supports the racist narrative. However, this is a show trial.
Now, now... let's not forget about that slam in the nose as well!
Exactly. Nancy Grace kept claiming there were no bushes even though I saw plenty of hedges. Apparently those don’t count...
I think it will be a hung jury, they will want to kick the can down the road. They won’t want to be targets. Then they can write books or go on TV!
He lost credibility by his shameful treatment of Lauwrence Auster.
No matter the verdict, they riot.
Just like a NBA championship in Detroit.
It is just an excuse to destroy.
No,Mr Horowitz,there's far more to it than that.Having paid close attention to the testimony would have shown you that.
The facts have been known for a year. When O'Mara demonstrates next week that Saint Trayvon walked or ran the length of a football field, twice, for the purpose of ambushing George Zimmerman from the shadows, the MSM will be astonished and amazed at this "bombshell".
He’s lying. There are bushes and shadows everywhere at the attack site.
A broken nose is considered superficial?
You would think if Zimmerman was jonesing that night for an easy mark to satisfy his racist bloodlust as the media/race agitators suggest, he would have shot trayvon long before the sweet little cherub had the opportunity to redesign GZ’s face.
And any article that talks about his sweet tooth, as if that's why he was buying the skittles, is missing key information.
Additionally, the gun was in play once the fight started. If Zimmerman didn't use it, Trayvon sure as hell would have.
Horowitz embarrassed himself with this article, expressing his opinion despite his obvious lack of facts.
Zimmerman made the right call and will be acquitted. Very minimal rioting - a couple broken windows and disorderly arrests.
No. It is not. The Left thinks it is open and shut for conviction.
Be assured that there is NOTHING like actually being in the courtroom and sitting as a juror. Watching on television is pretty meaningless. To try and gauge guilt or innocence from watching a trial on TV is a fools errand.
I was a Prosecutor or 25 years and have watched some of the trial and wouldn’t even think of making a call on it.
Horowitz is preparing for pro-bono appeal of GZ. (BTW, he only handles appeals.)
Horowitz really missed the mark here. His premise is that we conservatives shouldn’t jump to a conclusion of innocence. Then David completely ignores the American principle that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. And the examples of Zims “guilt” are simply untrue, a matter of opinion, or something Horowitz doesn’t understand very well.
Zim is charged with second degree murder. Horowitz should look up the definition if he wants to see where the miscarriage of justice is. Most reasonable people will see that there is “reasonable doubt” that he acted maliciously and with a depraved mindset to murder. And it’s pretty clear there was a fight of some kind.
David, I don’t know what’s gotten into you. But you blew this one big time.
I remain confused about SYG out of your house - and I have CCW and carry every day.
I was always taught that, if you carry, you have a higher duty to “stay out of trouble”. Cross the street. Buy ‘em a drink. Back off.
Obviously, if you are attacked in and around your house (and not by your girlfriend’s husband, etc) your SYG rights are clear.
But if you wade into a group of scumbags BECAUSE you are carrying (if you weren’t, you would have gone another way) - I’m not so sure about that.
Trayvon jumping out of the bushes to attack him because those bushes dont exist...
Didn’t know this.
That is because it is not true. There are bushes around the air conditioning units next to the condos. Horowitz is usually good, but he dropped the ball on this.
Zimmerman’s class on defense law did NOT include the Florida statute known as Stand Your Ground. They discussed, in depth, the concept of the Castle Doctrine and self-defense, but the Florida Statue, specifically, was not part of the official syllabus.
Untrue and insulting.
It was formed as a result of the photos of Zimmerman's face, his general demeanor, and subsequently as copies of Martin's on-line communications emerged. The latter will never be seen by the jury, but the general public knows of it if they want to know.
Its shouldn't be that hard to put yourself in the shoes of the man on the bottom having his face beat in and his head caved in. What do you do?
Martin's age is meaningless as Zimmerman had no way of knowing his age nor, as he was being beaten into the pavement, would he have reason to care.
If you Google Map 111 Retreat View Circle - where Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was calling from - the satellite view shows trees and bushes.
Horowitz is obviously bothered by the death of Trayvon Martin when a situation that could have been avoided escalated. The tragedy here is that young people are volatile and are prone to sudden acts which they often regret. Martin was no angel and Zimmerman took his neighborhood watch role a bit too far. However it is the jury’s responsibility to to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Highly unlikely they will be able to convict. If however the verdict is followed by urban violence and innocent deaths, place the blame squarely at the feet of the irresponsible media and the politically correct prosecutors and politicians who brought this case forward.
Sanford PD didn’t charge GZ because the physical evidence supports his claims as does an eye witness.
Charges were filed after out of state agitators generated protests and pressured Federal and State officials into forcing charges.
Recall the New Black Panthers who during a planning conference call advised “boot up and suit up”, Al “Twana Brawley” Sharpton leading marches and then on his MSNBC program reporting on the march, and Jesse “Hymie-town” Jackson.
Racists and thugs, charlatans, and hypocrites. While they busy themselves preying on a family’s grief to advance their own agenda and livelihood, where are they in Chicago? Where are they at Miami’s Urban Beach Weekend? Or Virginia Beach? Or Philadelphia?
David has been sucking some of the same rarified air as Michael Savage. Maybe some thugs will introduce him to the sidewalk outside his residence to help him clear up his head.
” It is open and shut. The preponderance of evidence shows Zimmermans innocence and he will be found guilty by political necessity.”
Ding dong - a winner !
“Trayvon jumping out of the bushes to attack him because those bushes dont exist”
If you have a chance to read through the comments on the Horowitz site (and there’s a lot of them, and the pertinent one is pretty far down the string), there’s a fellow who very calmly and very methodically provides a refutation of Horowitz’s three main claims against Zimmerman - and that includes the bushes claim.
Horowitz has shown a lot of guts over a long period of time on a number of contentious issues, and in those, he’s been a powerful ally to the right. I think he’s dead wrong on this one, and I was sorry to see his take on the Zimmerman case.
But he is right in saying that the right has to be careful about automatically marching in lockstep on the matter. A contrarian take from someone like him did force me to think more deeply about the matter - and did persuade me to read the comments that followed his screed. And then in reading those comments it became even more clear that Zimmerman is getting railroaded.
I hope Horowitz watches the entire defense presentation. I still think he’s basically intellectually honest - I’ll be curious to see if he walks back his take on this stuff once all the evidence is in.
Yeah, I was wondering about that because when Rachel told him to run, she said that he said he was near his daddy’s house.
If he was close to home and not circling back on GZ, I think he would be alive now.
West and O’Mara are going to so dismantle the state’s case with their own that anyone thinking of looting will be too busy nursing their wounds to come out of their holes.
Here is GZ reenactment for Sanford PD. Around the 9 minute mark you can see the area of the crime
These jurors won’t be able to pull a Nelson and just announce their decision.
They will have to give reasons for their decision and if the reason that they give is that they are afraid of riots then they will be dismissed and the alternate appointed because they are required to consider only that evidence presented in court — and fear of rioting was not presented in the court.
Yeah, he's factually challenged, like Savage and the gun safety crap.
Some people feel like they are entitled to comment on issues without studying them. Perhaps they are. Just as we are entitled to roll our eyes and discount their ignorant opinions.
“Trayvon jumping out of the bushes to attack him because those bushes dont exist.”
comment from post by “Sasquatch” addressing the Horowitz piece:
“Let me now address a couple of the errors in this article, or possible errors:
“1.) The bushes do exist, David. There are bushes alongside the houses in that dog walk area, and Zimmerman never expressed certainty that Trayvon had been using them to hide. If you look at the totality of his first few statements, all within 24 hours of the incident, it is clear that when he initially mentioned bushes, this was his attempt to make sense of where this person had come from. He at that time wasn’t aware of the likelihood that Trayvon got home and came back to attack. He was called out to from behind, and turned to see Trayvon there. He was trying to make sense of how Trayvon had suddenly reappeared, and suggested the bushes as a possibility. Never did he say he was certain of it, and at the on scene walkthrough he made it clear it was merely the “darkness” that Trayvon had emerged from. So you’re doubly wrong on this, bushes were there, and he wasn’t firm on them anyway. It was him attempting to explain something to police.”
What in hell do you call assault with intent to kill?
Lately the only thing the Press seems to do is inflame the public. The final result may be a manslaughter agreement with a 5 year sentence with good behavior, then wait till things cool off, and let him go. This is not a 1st Degree case, nor is it a 2nd degree case, it should have been a manslaughter case if anything. Trayvon’s mom is more interested in the $$$$$, than the loss of a son that she didn’t raise properly. LOL, if Zimmerman wins, Trayvon’s mom will immediately transfer her funds to a Bahama bank. Oh the irony of it all.
Let me punch you in the face and break your nose, @$$hat, then write another article talking about superficial injuries....