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Police Say Speeding Tickets Are All About Discretion
KCRG ^ | Jul 3, 2013 | Forrest Saunders

Posted on 07/05/2013 8:08:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Tuesday, dash cam video surfaced of an Iowa State Trooper pursuing a speeding black Chevy SUV on Highway 20 between Cedar Falls and Fort Dodge, back in April. In an audio recording, you can hear DCI Special Agent Larry Hedlund call a state dispatcher for help in pulling over the SUV that he was going a "hard 90."

State Patrol started a pursuit, but backed off when they learned the SUV was being driven by a fellow officer and Governor Terry Branstad was a passenger.

Five days later the DCI put Hedlund on administrative leave after he complained to his superiors that Branstad's driver got a free pass.

Wednesday, Branstad said that decision was not related to the speeding incident. But Hedlund's attorney insists it was retaliation.

Governor Branstand and Lieutenant Governor Kim Reynolds said they weren't aware of the event until Tuesday. The Governor told press Wednesday his security personal are not above the law.

"I believe that everybody ought to be treated equally and fairly under the law,” he said.

Police in Marion said issuing speeding tickets is not black and white, more of a gray zone. They said their department only pulls people over when drivers reach a certain speed over the limit. Then, writing a ticket is up to the officer.

"Maybe they're going over the speed limit because she's delivering a baby in the back seat. I mean, they still have a lot of discretion on giving a speeding ticket out," said Chief Harry Daugherty.

However, Chief Daugherty said it's policy that none of his officers exceed the speed limit unless they're headed to an emergency. He said if one officer spots another breaking that rule, the offender is reported.

"If they see something like that then they are required to let their supervisor know what they saw," said Daugherty. "There would be an internal investigation.”

The state Department of Public Safety is reviewing the speeding incident. The governor said he believes the department will determine the best way to handle the situation.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: branstad; codeofsilence; discretion; donutwatch; doublestandard; greyarea; greylaw; greyzone; iowa; policestate; revenuetickets; speeding; speedingtickets; statepolice; tickets

1 posted on 07/05/2013 8:08:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
" DCI"?

Iowa something.

2 posted on 07/05/2013 8:12:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway
"The governor said he believes the department will determine the best way to handle the situation."

Sounds like a threat.

3 posted on 07/05/2013 8:13:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

“Governor Branstand and Lieutenant Governor Kim Reynolds said they weren’t aware of the event until Tuesday. The Governor told press Wednesday his security personal are not above the law.”

“I believe that everybody ought to be treated equally and fairly under the law,” he said.

So the Gov is in a SUV doing 90mph and he had no clue? I call Bolshevik! I guess he had his head so into his iPad that he never looked out the window.


4 posted on 07/05/2013 8:14:27 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: nickcarraway

So the Governor was having a baby in the back seat?


5 posted on 07/05/2013 8:15:13 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: ZOOKER

The Gov seems to be having a cow at this time.


6 posted on 07/05/2013 8:16:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Division of Criminal Investigation


7 posted on 07/05/2013 8:17:04 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: nickcarraway

What possible reason could a Governor have for that kind of driving? States don’t deal in urgent emergencies that require the presence of a Governor. If they ever did, this modern era of communications had utterly ended the need to drive like an ass.

Even though State police driving the Governor think they are bulletproof and ten feet tall, they are sharing the roads with unpredictable 17 year old girls, pedestrians, the elderly who turn up where you don’t expect them going 20 below the speed limit, and others who don’t realize they are sharing the road with a celebrity VIP.


8 posted on 07/05/2013 8:18:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Paladin2

Department of Criminal Investigation


9 posted on 07/05/2013 8:18:45 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: iowamark
Is the gov. a 'rat?

(if so, obviously WAY above the Law compared to the little tax slaves.)

10 posted on 07/05/2013 8:19:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: iowamark

Ooops!

Division (not Department)


11 posted on 07/05/2013 8:20:28 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Mastador1
They said their department only pulls people over when drivers reach a certain speed over the limit.

And the certain speed is....?

In other words, the limit really isn't the limit. A bit confusing and perhaps even devastating to many, including some FReepers, who believe that speed limits were handed down from Mt Olympus and that if we all drive them then no accidents will happen forever and that we will all, er, coexist in perfect harmony.

12 posted on 07/05/2013 8:20:45 PM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: DesertRhino

We had a local Chief Popo who had his “driver” speed to the airport with the full Monte lights and siren to help out his (and your) Superior.


13 posted on 07/05/2013 8:21:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: relictele

Well, I’d suggest driving the limit through Illinois while marshaling your gun stash through the State.


14 posted on 07/05/2013 8:22:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

Discretion at every level:

Stop or don’t stop.

Write or don’t write.

Hammer or don’t hammer.

Driver’s attitude frequently determines outcome.


15 posted on 07/05/2013 8:25:04 PM PDT by lightman (Prosecute the heresies; pity the heretics.)
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To: nickcarraway

And remember - “NO SLEEPING IN BEDS!” err {edit} “WIF SHEETS!”


16 posted on 07/05/2013 8:27:42 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: relictele

I remember in the long ago days of drivers ed in California we were taught that there was only one maximum speed limit, 65mph, at least until Nixon set it to 55mph. All other speed limits were supposed to be Prima Facia and the actual speed was supposed to as fast as the conditions allowed, up to the Maximum. Nowadays the only thing that matters is ticket revenue.


17 posted on 07/05/2013 8:30:42 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ZOOKER

LOL


18 posted on 07/05/2013 8:32:15 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Mastador1

I thought carter imposed that 55 limit.


19 posted on 07/05/2013 8:34:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Well I was ready to hang it on him, but thought I should check my memory, Wiki says “The uniform speed limit was signed into law by President Nixon on January 2, 1974, and became effective 60 days later,”


20 posted on 07/05/2013 8:38:55 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

No, it was Dick Nixon who gave the nation the ‘double nickle’.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 8:41:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Mastador1
But how else are they going to pay for these gleaming, hulking Chevy SUVs with the snazzy paint jobs that barely get double digit gas mileage? Those Crown Vics just don't have room for the laptops and riot guns.

State Police Chief Smith sez you've got to speculate to accumulate!

22 posted on 07/05/2013 8:42:59 PM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: nickcarraway

In California and at least several other states vehicles driven
by and for legislators and, I assume, governors have plates
which identify them to be mucky-mucks. Of course a cop
in pursuit needs to get close enough to identify the special
plates and maybe Iowa is not among those states with dis-
tinguishable plates. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not in favor
of speeding governors unless it is Governor Brown and he
was heading west on a pier in Santa Barbara.


23 posted on 07/05/2013 8:43:14 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Paladin2

Gov. Branstad is a Republican, in office 1983-1999 and 2011-present. There is nothing to indicate that he had anything to do with the trooper speeding. It is common knowledge that cops rarely ticket other cops.


24 posted on 07/05/2013 8:47:09 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: relictele

Crown Vic’s are on the out, not made any more. Here in Taxifornia the favorites seem to be Dodge’s with big Hemi’s.


25 posted on 07/05/2013 8:49:15 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: iowamark
Well, I was doing some site surveys in IA a few years back and found that those folks in the Eastern (geographical) half to be somewhat unfriendly and 'rat like.

The folks in the Western half were true Americans.

26 posted on 07/05/2013 8:53:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: iowamark

I just figured that the Eastern half of IA rules the roost and makes the place a near ‘rat nirvana.


27 posted on 07/05/2013 8:55:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: PAR35
"Nixon who gave the nation the ‘double nickle’."

Truly the inflection point for law breaking as the rule.

28 posted on 07/05/2013 8:57:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: relictele

Cops have always had tremendous discretion in what and how laws they enforce. this is not new news.

Things that affect if they pull you over:

If you look like you are screwing around while driving

If you have crap sticking out (feet, boards, etc) of your crummy looking car

If you are driving an extremely expensive car and look like you shouldn’t be the driver

If they are trying to fill an end of month ticket quota

If they have been told to generate more revenue from tickets

If it’s a slow day

If you are speeding over 10 mph posted limit

If you’re driving with lights off in rain or snow or night

If you hit the brakes while speeding after you pass them

If they can hear your music blaring before they see your car


29 posted on 07/05/2013 9:02:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Forgot, if you shout “I thought I smelled bacon!” when you pass by them


30 posted on 07/05/2013 9:03:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
Obviously its BS.
Howard County (Maryland) Police Speed Trap Watch
31 posted on 07/05/2013 9:15:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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32 posted on 07/05/2013 9:23:48 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nickcarraway

Our idiot ex govenor Corslime almost killed himself doing the same thing

His driver was doing 90 on Garden State Parkway and texting
when hit guard rail

Corslime not wearing seat belt was ejected from vehicle and seriously injured......


33 posted on 07/05/2013 9:31:51 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Mastador1

NJ road nazi er State troopers use unmarked Camaro and Chargers with tinted windows - illegal in NJ

Seen ‘em on shoulders after pulled some poor slob over.....


34 posted on 07/05/2013 9:34:47 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: nickcarraway
The governor said he believes the department will determine the best way to handle the situation.

Or not...

35 posted on 07/05/2013 9:35:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Mastador1
Daughter of LAPD Sgt. Arrested For Fatal Hit-&-Run
36 posted on 07/05/2013 9:56:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"Iowa State Trooper pursuing a speeding black Chevy SUV"

Today - Constable On Patrol (COP) = Mobile revenue generating unit.

Gone are the days of "To Serve and Protect".

Yes, I realize this rant is slightly off topic...

37 posted on 07/05/2013 11:36:30 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: DesertRhino
Corzine’s SUV traveling 91 mph at time of crash
38 posted on 07/05/2013 11:41:22 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Mastador1

“So the Gov is in a SUV doing 90mph and he had no clue?”

A friend took my Jetta Sportwagen TDI for a drive. He announced, “wow, that’s 80 and I really can’t tell.” Neither could I and I was beside him. Most modern cars are whisper quiet at high speed. My Marauder is the same.


39 posted on 07/06/2013 3:50:50 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: nickcarraway

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

http://youtu.be/QR465HoCWFQ


40 posted on 07/06/2013 4:22:15 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Paladin2
inflection point

Not too long ago FreeRepublic fell on the side of the police but we hit an inflection point on that. The police have become the public face of tyranny. And now they're increasingly implementing automated law enforcement, for their personal safety and financial convenience. Welcome to the future.


41 posted on 07/06/2013 6:01:55 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: DesertRhino
What possible reason could a Governor have for that kind of driving? States don’t deal in urgent emergencies that require the presence of a Governor. If they ever did, this modern era of communications had utterly ended the need to drive like an ass.

Even though State police driving the Governor think they are bulletproof and ten feet tall, they are sharing the roads with unpredictable 17 year old girls, pedestrians, the elderly who turn up where you don’t expect them going 20 below the speed limit, and others who don’t realize they are sharing the road with a celebrity VIP.

On that stretch of US 20, 90mph is a perfectly safe speed. Dead straight, 4 lane divided, controlled access, very light traffic.

42 posted on 07/06/2013 10:13:30 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Paladin2

Stuck in the east.

If you were in the Quad Cities, you nailed it.


43 posted on 07/07/2013 8:21:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: iowamark
Gov. Branstad is a Republican, in office 1983-1999 and 2011-present. There is nothing to indicate that he had anything to do with the trooper speeding. It is common knowledge that cops rarely ticket other cops.

"State Patrol started a pursuit, but backed off when they learned the SUV was being driven by a fellow officer and Governor Terry Branstad was a passenger."

“Governor Branstand and Lieutenant Governor Kim Reynolds said they weren’t aware of the event until Tuesday..."

I dunno. Sounds like another lying sociopath politician to me...

44 posted on 07/09/2013 9:32:05 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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