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Gay Marriage Stirs Rebellion at Synagogue
The New York Times ^ | 7/5/2013 | Adam Nagourney

Posted on 07/06/2013 1:38:33 AM PDT by darrellmaurina

LOS ANGELES — Sinai Temple is a Conservative Jewish congregation perched on a hill in Westwood, famous for its wealth, its sizable population of Persians, many of whom fled Iran after the fall of the shah, and a well-known and outspoken rabbi who has at times pushed his congregation on ideologically adventurous paths.

So it was that three weeks before the Supreme Court cleared the way for same-sex marriage in California, the rabbi, David Wolpe, announced in a letter to the synagogue that gay marriages would be performed in this 107-year-old congregation, as soon as the court ruling he anticipated was handed down.

Celebrating same-sex marriages is hardly a new stand for Conservative Jewish congregations. But the decision in this distinctive synagogue has set off a storm of protests in recent days, particularly from Persian Jews, reflecting not only the unusual makeup of the congregation but also the generational and cultural divisions among some Jews over how to respond to changing civil views of homosexuality.

“To officiate a union that is expressly not for the same godly purpose of procreation and to call such a relationship ‘sanctified’ is unacceptable to a sound mind,” M. Michael Naim, an architect, said in an open letter to other Iranian members of the congregation. “Homosexuality is explicitly condemned in Scripture and has been categorically and passionately rejected by all classical Jewish legal and ethical thinkers as a cardinal vice in the same category as incest, murder and idolatry.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; davidwolpe; deathpanels; gayagenda; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; liberalagenda; obamacare; persians; westwood; zerocare
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For anyone who thinks all Jewish people are liberal, look at this revolt against homosexual marriage in the heart of one of California's most important and most wealthy synagogues.
1 posted on 07/06/2013 1:38:33 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
“To officiate a union that is expressly not for the same godly purpose of procreation and to call such a relationship ‘sanctified’ is unacceptable to a sound mind,” M. Michael Naim, an architect, said in an open letter to other Iranian members of the congregation. “Homosexuality is explicitly condemned in Scripture and has been categorically and passionately rejected by all classical Jewish legal and ethical thinkers as a cardinal vice in the same category as incest, murder and idolatry.”

It is indeed odd when most of the rest of the world looks sane compared to America.
America is a nation in steep decline. Nothing lasts forever. Congratulations to the Democrats.

2 posted on 07/06/2013 1:46:50 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: darrellmaurina

It’s hilarious how patronizing and sanctimonious liberals can be toward the traditional morality of Asia and Africa.

You know, the poor, dumb Persians who can’t accept this...oh wait sorry my bad....who are “not yet ready” to accept this. We must simply be patient and try to bring those of childish, primitive intellect, these unsophisticated rubes from those Third World countries around.


3 posted on 07/06/2013 2:08:12 AM PDT by Claud
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To: SJackson; Nachum

Ping!


4 posted on 07/06/2013 2:09:41 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: darrellmaurina

A rabbi or priest or minister who preaches “gay marriage” is attempting to go directly against God’s express wishes.

This is no longer Judaism or Christianity. This is paganism, and a type of paganism that is deliberately, intentionally offensive to God.

It does not become any more acceptable just because it is pronounced by a respected bishop or, as in this case, a rabbi at a big, prominent synagogue. Indeed, it is made all the worse an offense because there is the likelihood of even more people following this anti-Biblical “teaching.”

There are so many things a priest or rabbi or minister can preach about “gays” ... that we should try to love them, that everybody falls short (sins) in some ways or others, that we are a community that must try to support each other....etc.....but none of these things justifies preaching a direct, flagrant disobedience of express Biblical scripture.

Such rabbis or priests or ministers should be removed from any position of leadership or teaching of the faithful.


5 posted on 07/06/2013 2:10:30 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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To: darrellmaurina

And this is in a “Conservative” (really liberal, for the most part) congregation to boot. Will there be an outreach to the Orthodox here, I wonder . . .


6 posted on 07/06/2013 2:22:21 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Lancey Howard

I liked the phrase used later in the article. A Persian man called same-sex marriage “a sodomy contract”.


7 posted on 07/06/2013 2:30:05 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: darrellmaurina
God must change his opinions every now and then to adopt a more popular viewpoint. He needs us more than we need him, right? Really, these people should get out of the religion business if it means nothing to them. We must adapt to serve God, not the other way around.
8 posted on 07/06/2013 2:44:40 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: darrellmaurina

The day a Homosexual marriage is performed in my Church is the last day I go there.

Let the Homo’s support the Church. See how that works out for them.


9 posted on 07/06/2013 3:02:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

The problem is if a church refuses to perform the “sodomy contract” they will be vulnerable to a law suit. I’m sure several are already planed.


10 posted on 07/06/2013 3:20:09 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Yehuda; Hildy; SJackson; Eleutheria5; Jewbacca; MestaMachine; justiceseeker93; SunkenCiv; ...

PING on Jewish issues. As a gentile, I’m an outsider, obviously, but it sounds like the people in this Jewish synagogue who oppose homosexual marriages deserve support.

Comments would be appreciated from those who are closer to the situation and know more details.


11 posted on 07/06/2013 3:24:58 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Claud
We must simply be patient and try to bring those of childish, primitive intellect, these unsophisticated rubes from those Third World countries celebrating non-Western cultural norms untainted by the White Man around.

At least, that's what the Liberals would be claiming if the Third-Worlders were espousing something in diametrical opposition to cherished principles of Western Civilization, like when firefighters let schoolgirls die in a burning building because it would have been "unclean" touching them.

Regards,

12 posted on 07/06/2013 3:33:15 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: dennisw

PING on Jewish issues. See request for info above from those closer to the situation.


13 posted on 07/06/2013 3:46:26 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: ncfool; Zionist Conspirator

PING on Jewish issues. Note request above for more information from those closer to the situation.


14 posted on 07/06/2013 4:24:09 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: faithhopecharity

I actually asked our new preacher if he was a preacher of the Word, or a PC preacher, he said mostly he preaches the Word as written, and walks a fine line when needed on some of it. His first sermon went down fine with me. I’m old school Assembly of God in a liberal Methodist church.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 4:25:34 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: faithhopecharity

>> This is paganism, and a type of paganism that is deliberately, intentionally offensive to God.

Yep, and He has been known to severely punish nations that embrace it.

We Christians, collectively the “royal priesthood” in Christ (1 Pet 2:5-9) need to repent of our own wrongdoing, and “stand in the gap” (Ez. 22:30) and PRAY for our country and our countrymen, that the LORD stay his hand and “heal our land”. (2 Chr. 7:14).

The way we’re going, we’re headed for horrible times unless we Christians foster a revival of Christianity in this country. It’s revival, or revolution, or slavery. I don’t see another way.

...unless Jesus returns! That works too. :-)


16 posted on 07/06/2013 4:31:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: darrellmaurina
"For anyone who thinks all Jewish people are liberal, look at this revolt against homosexual marriage in the heart of one of California's most important and most wealthy synagogues"

The revolt seems to be as much a Persian as a Jewish thing, but I note it's the "conservative" Jewish Rabbi here who's all for the homo marriage thing.

17 posted on 07/06/2013 4:47:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: darrellmaurina

Nothing new about the cafeteria religious, feeding their souls from the buffet table of ideals to live by.
One either believes the word of God is inviolable and absolute or they throw in their lot with the great deceiver.
‘’rabbi’’ Wolpe has made his decision.


18 posted on 07/06/2013 4:50:05 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Time to show the rabbi the door


19 posted on 07/06/2013 4:53:27 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Your tag line is original and brilliant.


20 posted on 07/06/2013 4:54:29 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: darrellmaurina

did not Peter and the other apostles give the legal defense before the Temple court “we ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts of the Apostles chapter 5 verse 29.Is there record of any other than a Jew being taken before such a Court? Is this same principle not valid even today? What did Moses write in the beginning?(what we who follow that Rabbi from Nazareth call Genesis chapter 1 verse 27: and chapter 2 verse 24)


21 posted on 07/06/2013 5:00:52 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: circlecity
Clarification - in Judaism, the term “Conservative” requires some additional explanation. It denotes an approach which is between the liberal “Reform Judaism” and the much stricter “Orthodox Judaism.”

In other words, a synagogue identified with Conservative Judaism might be considered moderately liberal in its religious practices.

The distinction between “Reform” and “Conservative” makes more sense if understood in the context of the late 1800s and early 1900s when Orthodox Judaism was considered a backward and dying movement, and the question in the life of Jewish intellectuals was whether to make radical changes in Jewish religious life or to conserve a larger amount of Jewish practices in a modern context.

To the left, Reconstructionist Judaism is even more radical than Reform Judaism, and to the right, Orthodox Judaism can be divided into several different groups, of which the most relevant in an American context are the Modern Orthodox and the Hasidic groups, the latter of which is probably best known in America via the Chabad movement.

The revival of the role of Orthodox Judaism is a relatively recent phenomenon, one which is not unconnected with, on the one hand, the assimilation of less-observant Jews into mainstream Western society together with loss of their Jewish identity, and on the other hand, the higher birthrate and much higher commitment to Jewish identity among adherents of Orthodox Judaism.

We also need to recognize that unlike evangelical Protestants and traditional Roman Catholics where religious observance is a fairly good predictor of politically conservative views, that isn't necessarily true in Judaism. A significant number of politically conservative Jewish Republicans are nonobservant or largely secular in their religious outlook. On the other hand, for both historical reasons and factors of practical politics, strictly observant Orthodox Jews may vote for Democratic candidates, especially if they live in areas (New York City, for example) where a vote for a Republican is usually a wasted vote and the only vote that counts is in the Democratic primary.

All of this is only a quick summary and I'm not being fair to the movements described. Describing modern American Jewish practices requires a book, not a page.

22 posted on 07/06/2013 5:19:04 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
I was about to say

"Far be it from me to pass on the fitness of a member of the clergy of another faith..."

When I realized it is within my purview to criticize a doctor who prescribes strychnine despite my lack of membership in, or even deep knowledge of, the medical profession.

That realized, I say:

Rabbi Wolpe is unfit for the post of Rabbi, and whatever methodology is available to remove him from it should be put into practice at once.

(I was a member of a church that removed a pastor, after an evening service in which he spoke favorably of baptismal regeneration, on the basis of motion made, motion seconded, and voice vote.)

23 posted on 07/06/2013 5:26:53 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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21 posted on 7/6/2013 7:00:52 AM by StonyBurk: “did not Peter and the other apostles give the legal defense before the Temple court “we ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts of the Apostles chapter 5 verse 29.Is there record of any other than a Jew being taken before such a Court? Is this same principle not valid even today? What did Moses write in the beginning?(what we who follow that Rabbi from Nazareth call Genesis chapter 1 verse 27: and chapter 2 verse 24)”

I honestly don't understand your question. I'd be happy to try to answer it if I understood.

To avoid any misunderstandings, I'm a gentile Christian who is strongly supportive of Israel for both political and religious reasons, and who believes Christians need to pray regularly for the sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I cannot claim to have a full understanding of the issues in this synagogue, but it appears, at least to me on the outside, that we have a case of a Rabbi who is teaching contrary to what Jews and Christians have always believed about homosexuality until the last couple of generations and a group of laymen in the synagogue who are being faithful to Scriptural teaching against homosexuality.

If that's correct, just as I would pray for the success of people who affirm biblical teaching on homosexuality in the Roman Catholic Church or Eastern Orthodoxy or some Protestant denomination other than my own, it seems appropriate to encourage the people who want to affirm a biblical stance on homosexuality in this synagogue.

Free Republic is a great resource to clear up misunderstandings and find out facts, and I hope some Jewish Freepers can enlighten us on what is really happening in this synagogue.

24 posted on 07/06/2013 5:31:49 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Lancey Howard
America is a nation in steep decline. Nothing lasts forever.

Exactly right.

25 posted on 07/06/2013 6:22:05 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: darrellmaurina; Zionist Conspirator; holdonnow; Sean Hannity; Impala64ssa; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; ..
I seem to recall the name of Rabbi David Wolpe as one of the bigwigs in the "Rabbis for Obama" movement in the '08 and/or '12 presidential campaigns. I'm sure he's very much left politically if the New York Slimes does a big story on him, pushing his gay "marriage" agenda.

The Slimes seems to think that this particular Jewish congregation is an anomaly in the sense that if it weren't for those darn Persian Jews, all Jews would be exuberant at the mere sight or thought of gay "marriage" ceremonies.

Never is it mentioned in the article that California voted strongly in an initiative for Prop 8, essentially banning gay "marriages" in the state, and that the only reason why Wolpe is performing them is weird series of court rulings by pro-gay judges and the legal antics of the 'Rat controlled state government. Yet the Slimes seems shocked that opposition to gay "marriage" still remains and that some "aliens" are still making their views against it known.

26 posted on 07/06/2013 6:24:32 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Rabbi David Wolpe was surprisingly absent from “Rabbis for Obama”, and while there’s no doubt he’s a leftist kook, he does tend to stay away from partisan political fights.


27 posted on 07/06/2013 6:33:48 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: darrellmaurina

“So it was that three weeks before the Supreme Court cleared the way for same-sex marriage in California, the rabbi, David Wolpe, announced in a letter to the synagogue that gay marriages would be performed in this 107-year-old congregation, as soon as the court ruling he anticipated was handed down.”

So he thought ‘gay marriage’ was possible, but he wouldn’t do it until the state patted him on the head and told him it was OK? That doesn’t seem like it was fair to all the gay Jews. “Sorry Steve and Abe, our faith teaches you can be married, but since the state we are in says you can’t be married yet you will just have to wait for any recognition from your faith.”

Freegards


28 posted on 07/06/2013 6:34:20 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: darrellmaurina

This is why I quit going to shul... not this issue in particular, but the general preaching about socialism and liberal issues. The more conservative members just kept their heads down and shut up. Eventually, most of us melted away.

My daughter is very frustrated.


29 posted on 07/06/2013 6:51:22 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Claud

Apparently cultural diversity and accepting the views and the validity of all other cultures is only important to liberals when it either agrees with their views, is morally repugnant, or is anti-American.


30 posted on 07/06/2013 7:02:41 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Ransomed

Excellent point.

Food for thought on a lot of topics, not just this issue.

Thank you.


31 posted on 07/06/2013 7:08:58 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Marie

I see phenomenon everywhere, not just at religious gatherings. At work, at parties, in schools, everywhere. The liberals dominate the conversation and bully everyone else into silence. Conservatives tend to be polite and don’t try to pick fights so they remain silent and everyone takes that as agreement. The weak minds who prefer to follow rather than think for themselves go along with this. The weak minds who want to be “cool” and hang with the other cool kids go along with this.

Any options for you and your conservative friends who have “melted away” to form a new conservative congregation?


32 posted on 07/06/2013 7:13:54 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Whoops, thanks darrellmaurina.


33 posted on 07/06/2013 8:06:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: darrellmaurina; SJackson; SunkenCiv; The_Reader_David
For anyone who thinks all Jewish people are liberal, look at this revolt against homosexual marriage in the heart of one of California's most important and most wealthy synagogues.

The surprise for me is the absence of a definitive ruling by Jewish authorities on homosexual marriage. The Catholic Church, for example, bans homosexual marriage ... period. I believe the same is true for the Orthodox Church. Protestant churches, which emerged later, have differing views. Is there an "official" position by the Jews?

34 posted on 07/06/2013 8:17:14 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Of course, there is no central authority in Judaism.

The two orthodox Jewish rabbinic associations, Rabbinical Council of America and Agudath Israel of America, have issued no-compromise statements on “gay marriage”.


35 posted on 07/06/2013 8:22:51 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: generally

You see that a lot, I’ve noticed it usually seems to come from liberal Christian groups. The concept seems to be that for these faiths, the state actually decides their definition of marriage. I don’t know what would happen if judges, pols, or 51% of the voting public would decide that the state would no longer recognize actual marriage but only ‘gay marriage’, no more hetero marriage for men and women of those faiths I reckon.

Freegards


36 posted on 07/06/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: justiceseeker93

There is a good side to this.

Jews who marry the same sex, will, in time whither from this Earth.

Biologically, they extinct themselves by definition.

Of course they can adopt kids but biologically, the kids are not thiers.

Jews who move away from Torah, die out. It may take one, two or three geneations but it will happen...


37 posted on 07/06/2013 9:22:39 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: jjotto
Of course, there is no central authority in Judaism.

Curious ... has there ever been? And if so, how and when did that change?

38 posted on 07/06/2013 11:48:07 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

hehe

It was called the Sanhedrin. Ended in the 4th century by the Theodosius II, although it had lost its political authority with Temple’s destruction.

No Sanhedrin needed regarding homosexuality. It’s always been prohibited by the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah and by the Ten Commandments God spoke at Sinai.


39 posted on 07/06/2013 11:59:41 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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40 posted on 07/06/2013 1:52:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: darrellmaurina; NYer
1 For anyone who thinks all Jewish people are liberal, look at this revolt against homosexual marriage in the heart of one of California's most important and most wealthy synagogues.

22 ... All of this is only a quick summary and I'm not being fair to the movements described. Describing modern American Jewish practices requires a book, not a page.

34 The surprise for me is the absence of a definitive ruling by Jewish authorities on homosexual marriage. The Catholic Church, for example, bans homosexual marriage ... period. I believe the same is true for the Orthodox Church. Protestant churches, which emerged later, have differing views. Is there an "official" position by the Jews?

It is a very interesting topic. For ~ 1.75% of the U.S. population who are ethnically Jewish, they have certainly impacted the American culture in a large way, for better and worse. Wikipedia stated that there were 7 branches of Judaism present in the U.S. Wikip also cited a 2003 Harris Poll which cited the breakout ... Wikipedia-American Jews

The Harris Poll survey found that of the 4.3 million strongly connected (U.S.) Jews (~67% of the U.S. Jewish population), 46% belong to a synagogue. Among those households who belong to a synagogue,...

38% are members of Reform synagogues
33% Conservative
22% Orthodox
2% Reconstructionist, and
5% other types.

 Reconstructionist Judaism (U.S.): 1985 - homosexual ordination, 1993 – homosexual marriage
 Reform Judaism (U.S.): 1990 - homosexual ordination, 2000 – homosexual marriage
 Conservative Judaism (U.S.): 2006 – homosexual ordination, 2012 – homosexual marriage
 Orthodox Judaism (U.S.): no homosexual ordination or marriage

41 posted on 07/06/2013 2:55:13 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Claud
You know, the poor, dumb Persians who can’t accept this...oh wait sorry my bad....who are “not yet ready” to accept this. We must simply be patient and try to bring those of childish, primitive intellect, these unsophisticated rubes from those Third World countries around.
Poor? Clearly you don't know Persian Jews.
If this had been a Syrian Synagogue, the Rabbi would be lucky to get out in one piece.
42 posted on 07/06/2013 3:02:54 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: darrellmaurina

I looked into a Conservative shul. At least in NYC they are nothing more than the retarded wing of the Reform movement, running about 10-20 years behind their heresies.


43 posted on 07/06/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: NYer

It’s not so much that the Orthodox Church “bans” homosexual marriage, as we regard it as an impossibility — Christ’s comments in reply to the query from the Sadducees about repeated levirate marriage and the resurrection defining the normative notion of marriage.

I suspect rabbinic Judaism has much the same take: there’s no need to have commented on an absurdity, so there is no formal position.

On the other hand, Leviticus does command the death penalty for lying with a man as with womankind (we Orthodox Christians narrowly interpret this as male-on-male anal sodomy, which alone among homoerotic acts — all of which are sinful and have canonical penances — has the canonical penance common to all sins punished by death under the Old Covenant of excommunication with communion of the Holy Mysteries on the deathbed only), so now that the issue has been raised, it’s rather obvious what the answer is.


44 posted on 07/06/2013 4:39:59 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Claud

As an individual of African and Jewish descent, thank you for your comment.


45 posted on 07/06/2013 6:52:16 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: reg45

That is gold. I intend to make that phrase famous. Hope the guy doesn’t mind.


46 posted on 07/06/2013 6:54:19 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: darrellmaurina

This Jew sure ain’t liberal!

:-)


47 posted on 07/06/2013 6:56:46 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Marie

Same for me. I’m done with these liberals masquerading as rabbis.


48 posted on 07/06/2013 7:23:25 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: NYer

The Torah is the “official” position.


49 posted on 07/06/2013 7:28:29 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: little jeremiah

This is a good sign, but it doesn’t happen nearly enough. If my religion is going to survive, many of my co-religionists need to wake up and wake up very quickly. Liberalism is what spawned Nazism.

It needs to be stated with great regret that 70% of America’s Jews voted for the evil Chairman Obama.


50 posted on 07/06/2013 8:34:18 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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