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Boston cops crack down on after-hours parties [you need permits to party now!]
Boston Herald ^ | 7/6/2013 | O'Ryan Johnson

Posted on 07/06/2013 4:33:58 AM PDT by varyouga

Boston cops crack down on after-hours parties

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O’Ryan Johnson

Boston police are using social media, as well as old-fashioned walking beats, to find huge after-hours parties before they happen in an effort to tamp down summer violence.

“It’s about trying to be proactive,” said Bureau of Field Services Superintendent William Evans. “If we find out about a party, we’re going to visit that house ahead of time.

If they have a DJ, they need an entertainment license. If they’re going to serve alcohol, they need a liquor license.”Evans said police are spotting upcoming parties online, as well as on fliers posted

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1 posted on 07/06/2013 4:33:59 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

This is how the Detroit Riots started.


2 posted on 07/06/2013 4:35:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: varyouga

The police are wrong, you do not need a liquor license to serve alcohol to your guests. To sell it, yes. You do not need an entertainment license to play music by paid DJ on your own private property unless you are selling liquor or charging a cover charge. What is wrong with the police?


3 posted on 07/06/2013 4:36:43 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: varyouga

I don’t think they’re talking about a few friends getting together for some beers and BBQ.


4 posted on 07/06/2013 4:36:53 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: cripplecreek

I guess raiding Satanist mosques is too much to ask. Summertime parties is where real terrorism starts, right ?


5 posted on 07/06/2013 4:38:24 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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it’s Boston. Just tax it and they’ll pay it.. they don’t care anymore anyway.


6 posted on 07/06/2013 4:39:48 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: saganite

They’re talking about lots of friends getting together. Or maybe college parties like we used to have all the time for free.

Between this and regulating the temperature of our beer its only a matter of time before the college kids get really pissed off. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039573/posts


7 posted on 07/06/2013 4:44:19 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: saganite
I don’t think they’re talking about a few friends getting together for some beers and BBQ.

Yeah. Although... Back when I was in my 20s, during a backyard BBQ, my neighbor called the cops.

"The cops are here!"

A little tipsy, "What?"

"The cops are here! They're at the front door. You have to talk to them."

"Hi."

Officer #1: "Are you playing wiffle ball?"

"What?"

"We had a complaint."

"About wiffle ball?" (Officer #2 smirks).

"They said the ball keeps going into their yard."

"What?"

"Yeah, that's what they said. Can you do something about that?"

"Oh, OK. We'll stop."

"OK, thanks." (Officers smirked at each other.)

We all knew that my neighbor was an a-hole...

8 posted on 07/06/2013 4:45:01 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Seems to me that most of our laws governing alcohol are little more than harassment or revenue generation.


9 posted on 07/06/2013 4:48:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: varyouga
"It’s about trying to be proactive"

No, it isn't. It's about using any excuse to break up a peaceful assembly. This is how tyrannical states operate, and why we are supposed to have a right to assemble.
10 posted on 07/06/2013 4:49:03 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: yldstrk

I agree with you. The police are wrong on this about the licenses, but read the article and they are not talking about some small get together with friends. The example they give are for the one’s advertised online or flyers are handed out drawing large crowds.

Frankly, the police need to simply enforce the existing disturbing the peace law and current liquor laws. They do not need to get all up the publics face about needing a licenses. Doing that is nothing but revenue generation for the city.


11 posted on 07/06/2013 4:51:28 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

You didn’t read the article.

As your neighbor I’d be super pissed off at you having 600 rowdy people at your house for a party.


12 posted on 07/06/2013 4:53:02 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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To: yldstrk

ditto. you beat me to it.


13 posted on 07/06/2013 4:56:57 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: EBH

I agree it is perfectly idiotic to invite more than about 10 people to your residence, it will simply get wrecked, although I guess we had about 50 scouts and parents altogether in our large backyard for some kind of picnic I had to get tables from a party store for.


14 posted on 07/06/2013 4:57:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: EBH

This sounds like its primarily an issue of disturbing the peace.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 4:59:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: varyouga
They’re talking about lots of friends getting together.

No, they're not.

They're talking about house parties in the ghetto, where people do charge admission. They attract huge numbers of unrelated people, often rival gang members, and are frequent scenes of violence.

They're like raves, except put on in residential neighborhoods, and the main demographic of attendees is not content to do ecstasy and bliss out.

They are very common in the ATL metro area where I live, and they are essentially unlicensed night clubs in single family dwellings.

16 posted on 07/06/2013 4:59:13 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The cops came to our party one night and said we must cool it.

There were complaints about the bowling ball repeatedly rolling down the stairs, across the floor, out the front door, across the porch, down the stairs, down the sidewalk and then down the steps into the street.


17 posted on 07/06/2013 4:59:44 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bert
There were complaints about the bowling ball repeatedly rolling down the stairs, across the floor, out the front door, across the porch, down the stairs, down the sidewalk and then down the steps into the street.

Stair bowling? Sounds like alcohol may have been involved.

18 posted on 07/06/2013 5:01:38 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: varyouga

My how times have changed. It used to be that you hired one or two off duty Boston police officers to work the door at the party and everything was fine. No problems with loud late night music, even if the neighbors called the station house to complain.


19 posted on 07/06/2013 5:05:07 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Trailerpark Badass

There we have it. Thanks for the needed info with the truth of the matter.


20 posted on 07/06/2013 5:05:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I suppose.

I host parties for 50-100 people at least once a month and don’t charge admission. Been doing it for years with no issues or complaints but I do invite a respectful crowd.

If nanny Mike Bloomers starts charging me for permits, I’m moving out of this city and taking my money with me.


21 posted on 07/06/2013 5:07:36 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: freeandfreezing

I grew up in a small rural community. We partied in barns and fields most of the time.


22 posted on 07/06/2013 5:07:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

being good engineering students with a bent for business, we established Oasis Inc and provided it with a soft drink machine modified to accept Bud Longnecks and quarters.

That way, the common refrigerator was nor cluttered with beer.


23 posted on 07/06/2013 5:08:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: varyouga

If they serve bbq pork rinds will they have to get a snack permit?


24 posted on 07/06/2013 5:20:16 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: varyouga; yldstrk; saganite
The police are wrong, you do not need a liquor license to serve alcohol to your guests. To sell it, yes. You do not need an entertainment license to play music by paid DJ on your own private property unless you are selling liquor or charging a cover charge. What is wrong with the police?

I don’t think they’re talking about a few friends getting together for some beers and BBQ.

Yes and Yes. I presume that what they are really concerned about are these huge (hum read “urban”) late night parties that are advertised via social media and if they are posting flyers on store fronts and on utility poles advertising the party, that makes it sound more like a unlicensed “public” party and not really a private gathering, and those often get way out of hand when hundreds of people (i.e. “youts” and gang members) who may not even know the people who are throwing the party show up and cause mayhem. And from what I understand, sometimes these party organizers do try to collect a “cover charge” and that can go very, very bad when the party crashing gang members show up.

On the other hand, “Police are urging neighbors to call the party hotline” could also result in your back yard beer and BBQ party getting a no knock raid by the police if you’ve got a busy body neighbor call in a complaint merely claiming you’ve got a huge crowd and or that he or she “smelled or suspected you were toking some joints, when it might only be family and friends and not out an out of control drug hazed party.

But if you do throw any sort of party, just make sure you lock up your dog. /s. Not to mention that if you post on your FB page that you are throwing a 4th of July beer and BBQ party for friends and family, even if you have your FB security set to “friends only”, remember that the LEO’s (thanks to the NSA) can see and read everything. If you have fire crackers or sparklers and post anything remotely conservative to your FB page, expect the ATF, DHS and the IRS to show up as well.

25 posted on 07/06/2013 5:22:44 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: varyouga

They’re working their way through the Bill of Rights. The first, second, forth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth and now, in Henderson NV, the third amendment has been violated by the police.


26 posted on 07/06/2013 5:23:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: varyouga
Here's an example, and they are often aimed at underage people and advertised on social media:

Teen beating death: Fatal party began small, grew out of control

The leftist AJC wants to make it sound like it started as a nice quiet get together of teens, but it was an advertised, paid admission party.

They buy a bunch of cheap booze, get DJ, and charge a cover fee.

And if you lived next to me and had 25-50 cars on the street every month, we'd be having a chat.

27 posted on 07/06/2013 5:23:05 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, the good ole pasture bash.


28 posted on 07/06/2013 5:31:55 AM PDT by Bronzy
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To: bert

Amateurs.

A legendary party at my college fraternity involved rolling a bowling ball down the street (rather steep slope) and watching as it departed visual range about 400 yards away.

Never found it.


29 posted on 07/06/2013 5:36:04 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: varyouga
Am I missing something in this article or is it actually what it appears to be? It seems to be that Bostonians will now have to get some government hack’s permission, probably at a price, in order to entertain guests in their own private homes. How much more politically correct can those people up there get before they tell their elected masters that enough is enough?

Actually, I suppose most of them will welcome this brazen suspension of one of their basic human rights since a very large majority of MA voters seem to want government at every level to provide everything they need for day to day living in exchange for surrendering the rights and liberty that their legendary forefathers fought so valiantly both on the battlefields and in the halls of government to secure for them. Sad, very sad.

30 posted on 07/06/2013 5:37:05 AM PDT by epow (Access to 70 virgins comes with one condition, muslims must also spend eternity in hell with allah)
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To: ExGeeEye
A legendary party at my college fraternity involved rolling a bowling ball down the street...

Well this is the result of your "little prank." Please let me know where I can send the bill.


31 posted on 07/06/2013 5:42:46 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: varyouga

A lot of these “parties” are actually unlicensed after hours clubs that charge admission and by the drink. They are also in violation of zoning laws, conducting business in residential neighborhoods. And even if they were just private parties in people’s homes, they violate noise and nuance ordinances.

If you have no problem with them, let me know and we’ll have someone set one up next door to you. Enjoy your sleep, over the shoutin’, music and gunfire.


32 posted on 07/06/2013 5:45:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: varyouga

And when are we going to be “proactive” with the police? We need to have the legislature raise the bar on “obstructing a police officer”. They use that to arrest and intimidate when they have been shown to be completely wrong. (See, young woman arrested for buying a case of bottled water in Charlottesville, VA.) I say raise the threshold for the obstruction charge and attach a civil penalty against the officer convicted of using it as a tool for harassment. Yes there is such a thing as obstruction of a police officer but it is not, Opps, I made a mistake and will never admit it so I’ll arrest you on obstruction. This militarization of police needs to be nipped in the bud.


33 posted on 07/06/2013 5:49:10 AM PDT by mistfree (Their & There, they're not the same)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
“And even if they were just private parties in people’s homes, they violate noise and nuance ordinances.”

There's a HUGE difference between warning/ticketing parties that get too loud and what is going on here.

These cops are sniffing out parties in advance by social media and demanding permits for private parties with a DJ. Just another cash-generating fishing expedition for gubmint workers.

I host parties for 50-100 people at least once a month and don’t charge admission. Been doing it for years with no issues or complaints but I do invite a respectful crowd. I know what the noise limits are and have a meter on hand if cops don't believe me.

34 posted on 07/06/2013 6:00:27 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: ExGeeEye

Sounds like Ithaca, like Cornell, like PiKAs?


35 posted on 07/06/2013 6:01:47 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: varyouga

A liquor license for beer at a party??? F*** that!


36 posted on 07/06/2013 6:05:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
They are very common in the ATL metro area where I live, and they are essentially unlicensed night clubs in single family dwellings.

I guess I posted my first reply before reading far enough, what you describe isn't at all what I thought those Boston parties are all about.

I'm too old and set in my ways to even envision that kind of party. Out here in the north GA backwoods we don't throw that kind of party. 0nce in a while we just invite a few friends and neighbors over to our places to eat some good ole country style vittles, drink some ice tea or coffee, and "chew the fat" for a couple of hours. There aint no fights goin on at those get-togethers and nobody in the area gets mad and calls the high sheriff down on us. Two different worlds I suppose, and I like mine a whole lot better than I would like theirs.

But what I said about MA voters is still true, they are much too willing to give up rights and liberties that their forefathers died to secure for them as long as big government supplies their every need at the cost of surrendering those blood-bought rights and liberty. And IMHO that's still sad, very sad.

37 posted on 07/06/2013 6:24:18 AM PDT by epow (Access to 70 virgins comes with one condition, muslims must also spend eternity in hell with allah)
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To: epow
Two different worlds I suppose, and I like mine a whole lot better than I would like theirs.

I know what you mean; I am wrapping up a July 4th vacation in what remains of small-town America, and I like it better than even my safe, quiet, beautiful, but anonymous suburb.

38 posted on 07/06/2013 6:51:10 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
“And if you lived next to me and had 25-50 cars on the street every month, we'd be having a chat.”

Ok Nanny. Understandable about the parking but it doesn't exist in NYC anyway.

There's a difference between police ticketing/dispersing parties that get out of hand based on neighbor complaints and going on a fishing expedition on social media for permits.

39 posted on 07/06/2013 7:21:56 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I think a lot of this is based on parents screaming at the city to crack down on these parties. Unable to control their children, they don’t want big events, with alcohol and drugs aplenty, because they know their little darlings will do anything to get to them.


40 posted on 07/06/2013 7:24:37 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: varyouga
Ok Nanny. Understandable about the parking but it doesn't exist in NYC anyway.

No, not a nanny; I wouldn't call the po-po. Like I said, I'd come over and talk face to face. I'd be polite and friendly, but I would let you know how I feel.

If your events do not inconvenience your neighbors, by all means, carry on. I wanted a quiet, peaceful setting, so I bought a house in one. Fortunately, my neighbors seem to feel the same way.

There's a difference between police ticketing/dispersing parties that get out of hand based on neighbor complaints and going on a fishing expedition on social media for permits.

I have a feeling the police, in this case, have a pretty good idea where the trouble spots are.

41 posted on 07/06/2013 7:37:14 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: varyouga

Can the people riot, or is that right only reserved for faggots in NYC going to a mob run speakeasy called Stonewall?


42 posted on 07/06/2013 7:51:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

You got that right! It has nothing to do with business licenses and permits. It has to do with scofflaws, who operate for-profit, unlawful enterprises with the resultant, bad outcomes for the rest of the community. If the people of Massachusetts wanted extended bar-hours, they’d have been codified already! Policing this crap costs money, which the taxpayers didn’t vote on!


43 posted on 07/06/2013 7:51:21 AM PDT by old school
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To: ScottinVA

Bet none of the Kennedys ever get a party permit to whore it up and booze it down.


44 posted on 07/06/2013 7:52:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: old school

Sounds to me like these are the newest revenue tickets. In Houston the fine for noise violations (at bars as well as private parties) has been doubled and there is no longer any decibel measurement. The police don’t even need to receive a complaint or enter the establishment to write a citation.


45 posted on 07/06/2013 7:54:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: varyouga

The Boston cops must all be direct descendants of the British troops that tried to stifle freedom. They are a disgrace to the memory of all who fought for our freedom.

And for all the NSA trolls, FU.


46 posted on 07/06/2013 8:00:53 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: SamAdams76

Is that car equipped with a flux capacitor? The legend dates from the 1960s :)

(15-25 years before I got there)


47 posted on 07/06/2013 8:01:35 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Covenantor

Sigma Rho Epsilon (or Epsilon Rho Sigma?), which later affiliated with Phi Kappa Tau, Northern Michigan University.

The legend dates from the 1960s. My own experience with the street— a long, long slope— was coasting down it on a ten-speed in the 1980’s. I was not BUI at the time.

Coming back up the hill was a grade-A Ditch with a Capital B.


48 posted on 07/06/2013 8:05:28 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s clear to me, that a lot of people here are theorizing about imagined rights violations and have never been victimized by one of these exercises in freedom, on their block! The lack of civility is remarkable!


49 posted on 07/06/2013 8:07:05 AM PDT by old school
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To: mistfree
This militarization of police needs to be nipped in the bud.

The bud has bloomed and the plant has become a large, multi-branched tree.

Of course, we can go get a chainsaw...

50 posted on 07/06/2013 8:09:38 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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