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777 Crash at SFO (San Francisco)
Twitter ^ | July 6, 2013

Posted on 07/06/2013 12:02:24 PM PDT by FreedomPoster

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To: NonValueAdded

“they are foaming the “carp” out of the fuselage now”

Hey now, just because they’re Asian. Be nice.


151 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:22 PM PDT by rey
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To: Sarah Barracuda

lol, I’d need a pill. I don’t drink so a stiff drink wouldn’t help. The TSA is going to be using machines that measure someone’s Cortisol level as another “tool” to use to detect terrorists. Heck, my cortisol level would be high just on the freeway to get to the airport.


152 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:26 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: NonValueAdded

Big hole in fuselage just above port wing leading edge join point. No fire burn damage around its edges, as there is on the rest of the burned roof.

This hole is just aft and above the second hatch back from the cockpit.


153 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: dragnet2

where is the fuel storage on the 777? full fuselage fire and no wing fire?


154 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:36 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: diogenes ghost

Mr GG2 a pilot and former Boeing line chief says the pilot made hard landing too soon. He hit the embankment and took the landing gear off then the tail. It didn’t go very far after it hit so he says the guy probably didn’t dial in his barometric pressure right so he landed way too soon. He was probably looking at the dials and not the ground. The radar should have been overiding it but who knows.


155 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: blackdog

“Heavy jets don’t have skid capable tail sections”

Not exactly.

During flight test the tail is purposely “scraped” on take off and landing, multiple times.

Part of its certification process.


156 posted on 07/06/2013 12:47:55 PM PDT by Hulka
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Outstanding job, guys.

Attaboys all around.


157 posted on 07/06/2013 12:48:06 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: diogenes ghost

I’m sure that when witnesses talk about “wings” coming off they are actually referring to the right and left horizontal stabs and maybe the rudder. Only the right wingtip seems to have been severely damaged on the main wing.

If there was a mid-air explosion in the tail area — even one second before touch down — this is a really big deal.

It is unlikely the baggage compartment extends that far back. The 777 has no tail engine with associated fuel lines or even an APU in that location (I don’t think).

So what caused the explosion? I hope it wasn’t a SAM!


158 posted on 07/06/2013 12:48:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: driftdiver

Maybe a lot of that debris trail is what is left of the tail....Either that or from bottom of fuselage when the gear collapsed..


159 posted on 07/06/2013 12:49:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Steely Tom

160 posted on 07/06/2013 12:49:07 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Steely Tom

It looks like the starboard engine has fire and structural damage in the region of its hot section.


161 posted on 07/06/2013 12:49:09 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Shot on Facebook by one of the passengers shows others walking behind coming from the inflated escape slides, some even carrying luggage. At that time, the top of the plane, say forward of the wings, was intact.


162 posted on 07/06/2013 12:49:48 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Lockbar

163 posted on 07/06/2013 12:49:53 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Steely Tom

Luckily as the photos taken by evacuating passengers show many people got out before the fire.


164 posted on 07/06/2013 12:50:00 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: FreedomPoster

Asiana Airlines, Flight # 214 , left Seoul yesterday afternoon. 291 aboard.


165 posted on 07/06/2013 12:50:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: machogirl

The only airline I feel safe on is El Al, they screen you like crazy..the airfare is insanely high but your safe(Knock on wood)..15 hours on a plane is just too much for me. I can’t do the pill method, my sister does but not me, I have to pee every half hour if I took a sleeping pill by the time I wake up my bladder would explode LOL. At least when I was on the plane there were no Arabs, a lot of Rabbi’s and families but no Arabs thank goodness otherwise I would have been even more nervous


166 posted on 07/06/2013 12:50:58 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m looking at too soon also as where most of the tail parts ended up on the overrun. Probably took out some landing lights too.


167 posted on 07/06/2013 12:51:11 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: NormsRevenge

wow, debris starts over the water BEFORE the runway.


168 posted on 07/06/2013 12:51:58 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: steve86

Still seems more likely to me the tail damage occurred on hard/premature landing rather than a mid-air explosion.


169 posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Bingo we are looking at the embankment right now on TV. He took the landing gear off by coming in too soon.


170 posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Yes....there are restrooms in the rear of the aircraft. This aircraft has an enviable safety record with millions of of trouble free travel miles under its operating belt. From my fifty years in the aircraft maintenance industry.....I smell a rat!!!! IMHO....there was some kind of explosive incident in the main cabin that occurred in the forward mid cabin and foward aft cabin!!! That does not mean it was a terrorist attack. But....it needs to be investigated.


171 posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:47 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

You can see a big burn mark where the starboard engine smacked the ground.

Something’s submerged just off the end of the runway. They’re fixing to fish it out.


172 posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:47 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Just saw a great shot of the runway and debris. Looks as if the plane was of the runway by a couple feet.

There is debris in the water and debris all over the rocks of the rocks.


173 posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cherokee1

And do a little flare as well. . .they aren’t landing on a carrier.


174 posted on 07/06/2013 12:53:05 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: yorkie

Good to see doors open there.. I thought I saw many door closed in initial photos but I’m praying HARD that everyone got out! I know SF coastal has LOTS of seagulls flying around and that makes me suspect of a bird strike causing loss of power and a tail smack.


175 posted on 07/06/2013 12:53:18 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: diogenes ghost

Video on fox shows small amount of debris in the water at the very front of the runway. Looks like a trail leading from the water up the runway. Lots of very small debris from water leading down the runway to the remains of the tail.

They are saying witnesses reporting the tail fell off before it landed. I’m wondering if it hit the runway, bounced and then the tail fell off.


176 posted on 07/06/2013 12:53:33 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Sorry, I meant PORT engine.


177 posted on 07/06/2013 12:53:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: steve86

not sure about that now that I see the debris trail


178 posted on 07/06/2013 12:53:57 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: NonValueAdded
"they are foaming the carp out of the fuselage now."

Given who the operator of the aircraft is, I guess it is Asian carp they are battling in the fuselage.

Youtube is full of boaters fighting those damned things in the Illinois River....coming to a creek near you.

179 posted on 07/06/2013 12:54:06 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Seeing the breakwater and what you’re talking about now. Anyone see the left engine yet?


180 posted on 07/06/2013 12:54:12 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
If that ends up being the cause of the crash, then it would be very similar to Delta Flight 723 that crashed at Logan on July 31, 1973 in heavy fog. In that crash, the landing was too soon and the landing gear hit a seawall. The plane then skidded down the runway and burst into flames. Nobody survived but there was one survivor who lasted a few months with severe burns.

That crash has special meaning for me because my father was on the scene, he worked at the airport at the time, and because the doomed plane passed right over my head seconds before crashing. We lived in East Boston at the time and our house was right under the flight path.

181 posted on 07/06/2013 12:54:16 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Georgia Girl 2
He hit the embankment and took the landing gear off then the tail.

Looks like you may be right. Almost landed short in the water.

182 posted on 07/06/2013 12:54:49 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: Hulka
Never saw a taildragger heavy jet. I know high wing transports can skid the butt, but you've gotta have a very high nose up attitude / (stall) in a landing configuration to skid a tail section. I have seen tail scrapes on takeoffs, but not landings.

Interesting. Maybe that's what's accounting for the described wing drop. A stall.

183 posted on 07/06/2013 12:54:56 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: dragnet2

Gear collapsed and also the lower half of the plane seems compressed.

FAA now reporting to Fox that the plane was supposed to land on a different runway but landed on this one for some reason.


184 posted on 07/06/2013 12:55:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NonValueAdded

probably backwash,, the tail is on the end of the runway,, actually, he had a good line, just was a little too steep at the end.. maybe shifting winds.. they called the
Amercia’s cup off yesterday due to high winds..


185 posted on 07/06/2013 12:55:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: diogenes ghost

those asian carp are nothing to sneeze at.. invasive little ba’stards


186 posted on 07/06/2013 12:56:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: steve86

The rear pressure bulkhead was blown out rearward, causing the tail to blow off, IMHO!!! Something odd occurred inside the passenger fuselage.


187 posted on 07/06/2013 12:56:26 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Steely Tom

Plane broke apart right behind the area the cabin crew. Unless they fell out the hole they should be in the plane.

Fox reports everyone got off the plane.


188 posted on 07/06/2013 12:56:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Your husband looks to be right, so far. From ABC News helicopter view video of the runway it looks like the plane skimmed the embankment on landing. The rocks look like they were disturbed and the debris field starts there along with a long scrape trail and pieces of landing gear.


189 posted on 07/06/2013 12:57:24 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: idkfa

IF true, he’s a damn lucky pilot.. they wouldn’t need the buses.


190 posted on 07/06/2013 12:57:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lots of yellow and greens with 1 red but lots more of yellows and greens in second wave.


191 posted on 07/06/2013 12:57:42 PM PDT by rhc2000
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To: driftdiver

Man, that plane came to a quick stop. Looked like it went from impact to full stop in about 400 yards.


192 posted on 07/06/2013 12:57:49 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: GotMojo

what a crappy way to end a 12 hour plane ride


193 posted on 07/06/2013 12:57:53 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Oh, but no way will they even say the word, terrorism...


194 posted on 07/06/2013 12:58:33 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: GeronL

they still have to clear customs.....


195 posted on 07/06/2013 12:59:18 PM PDT by GotMojo
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To: Deo volente
There are a few really interesting images that popped up in the last few minutes on Fox.

A couple of dozen people walking the runway probably looking for the black box, at the threshold area of the runway where touchdown occurred. Lots of small debris along the runway. The Black Box was not in the fire, so it should provide useful data.

The way the entire top of the fuselage is gone, and the area blackened suggest the possibility that the fire was concentrated in the area of the wing. The Smoke seen in the initial images show that the fire was at or near the starboard engine, perhaps rupturing a fuel tank on a hard landing impact when the landing gear collapsed.

It is interesting, that the tail section broke right at the aft end of the pressurized cabin cone.

196 posted on 07/06/2013 12:59:35 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

After 30-yrs in aviation, no one “knows” immediately (if ever) the cause. However, informed observation would indicate no internal explosion, just post mishap fire. Additionally, the empennage is at the approach end of the runway indicating possible short/very hard landing that might have caused the tail section to separate—not blown off.

Boeing and all their second and third tier suppliers, along with the engine manufacturers, will be all over this.


197 posted on 07/06/2013 12:59:47 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: NormsRevenge
EVERYBODY REMAIN CLAM!!!!

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198 posted on 07/06/2013 12:59:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GeronL

Not to mention it’s going to be a while before they can claim their baggage.


199 posted on 07/06/2013 12:59:49 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Quantas - - If I remember correctly, they have NEVER had an accident.


200 posted on 07/06/2013 1:00:07 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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