Skip to comments.Air Nat'l Guard proposal about F15s in Oregon
Posted on 07/06/2013 6:28:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins
Oregon Air National Guard is requesting permission to expand their flight airspace for F15's training in Oregon and along the Pacific Ocean Coast. They are requesting "Comments during the 'Environmental Impact Analysis Process' underway for the proposed Oregon Airspace Initiative". Be sure to include "Oregon Airspace Initiative" in the subject line.
Mail to Mr. Robert Dogan, NGB/A7AM Shepperd Hall 3501 Fetchet Avenue Joint Base Andrews MD 20762-5157
Unfortunately there is NO website providing this info anywhere that I know of...
F15s. There is no apostrophe. It is plural, not possessive.
F-15s. There is a dash.
Are you asking for comments in favor or against this expansion?
As a side note, the only training facility for F-15 pilots in the country is located in Klamath Falls, OR.
What is your problem?
Maybe you would prefer if they were Chinese or Russian aircraft.
With the afterburner, definitely.
Actually the dash is not grammatically necessary. It is stylistic and it is better were it there, though.
An article from Burns (Eastern), Oregon regarding this:
Airspace expansion proposal discussed
Posted on June 26th in News
Public concerns include more air traffic, wind turbines
by Lindy Steeves
The Air National Guard met with citizens of Harney County on June 20 to discuss concerns with their proposed Oregon Airspace Initiative.
The proposal would increase the training airspace of the 173d Fighter Wing Air National Guard Base near Klamath Falls. The new airspace border would cover parts of Harney County and is near the Burns area. This increase in available airspace will allow student pilots to train in 21st century combat styles.
After a brief summary of the proposal and the local areas it would affect, Colonel Chris Casson opened up the meeting to public discussion and concerns.
Local airplane owners expressed worries about overcrowded airspace and flying conflicts. Members of the initiative committee said that they would be flying on a different altitude than privately-owned planes, and there would be advance communication when they were planning to fly. The F15s are equipped with on-board radar that will alert pilots to any nearby aircraft. The committee also said that a noise complaint hotline had been implemented for citizens if the need arose.
Another worry concerned the proposed wind turbines and possible collisions when pilots were flying at low altitude. After showing maps of the proposed expansion zone, Col. Casson said that the possible wind turbine areas were outside of the expansion borders, and the fighters would be flying too high to contact the 400-foot tall turbines.
One concerned citizen asked about the possibility of drones being used in association with the changing training routines. Captain Stephen Bomar and Col. Casson assured that there was no potential for drone usage. If the possibility ever arose, future proposals would need to be drawn up and additional scoping meetings would be held.
Other concerns included the weapons carried aboard the F15s. Col. Casson reported that, as the pilots would be students and teachers practicing aerial combat maneuvers, there would be no weaponry on board of any kind.
In anticipation of possible community and environmental concern, the committee had redrawn the expansion line so that the Malheur Wildlife Range and the Steens Mountain were avoided. The altered expansion zone will protect wildlife from noise and possible flight pattern conflicts. In further efforts to avoid wildlife interaction, the unit will continue to contact local fish and wildlife offices before they allow flights to run. If bird flight patterns are high or active, flights will be cancelled.
We dont want to fight with people or communities over this. This is why we have these meetings, so we can hear all these concerns and try to work around them, Capt. Bomar said.
Before the proposal is approved and put into affect, additional tests, studies and meetings must be held to meet the requirements of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The FAA will then conduct a year-long (minimum) series of tests and meetings of its own. If it is accepted by the FAA, NEPA and the community, the Oregon Airspace Initiative may take anywhere from three to five years to pass.
I DO NOT have a problem....there are others around here, however, who ARE going to provide input....I thought some here might want to provide INPUT otherwise.
The “others” I reference in the post above are going to provide input AGAINST the change....(I found out about it at a neighborhood meeting here on the Coast.)
I live in Crescent City, CA. They do mock dogfights over us all the time. Bothers some folks and some types of folks, I guess, but I enjoy watching the show. I had no idea an F15 could turn that tight!
HA....that was sorta (under my breath) comment when I heard a woman complaining....FREE AIRSHOW!!!
I don’t know if y’all remember this from a couple of years ago, but there was a time in the sunmmmer of 2011 (IIRC) when Odumbo was visiting Seattle for some silly reason. Anyway, some private pilot who apparently didn’t watch the news (or read FAA advisories, for that matter) blundered into the 60-mile ‘restricted zone’ around Air Force One (even though it was on the ground at Boeing Field).
Anyway, since the guy didn’t have his radio on, he didn’t respond to the repeated radio calls to tuern around. So, they scramble a couple of F-15s fro the Northwetern Defense Zone to intercept. Those -15s were based in Portland. I’m not sure how long it took between launch and intercept, but I guaran-damn-tee they were at full ‘burner from the time they took off until then. How do I know? I live about 45 miles south of Seattle. I had never experienced a ‘live’ sonic boom before...until that day. Darn near blew the windows out of my house. Fact is, the whole house shook like something hit it.
Don’t know if the poor devil ever kept his pilot’s license.
There are a few other places for F-15 training in the country but this is their state’s ANG. As I take it, they can go other places for training but the costs would be more. They have their own planes and trainers in state but using active duty or other state’s facilities would drive up costs considerably. They just need less airspace restrictions.
Grammer and style have nothing to do with the dash. It is part of the designation for the aircraft.
For example: the F4D is not the same plane as the F-4D.
I was raised in Kent...we had sonic boom many times in the 50s and 60s