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Air Nat'l Guard proposal about F15s in Oregon
Oregon Air National Guard ^ | 7/6/2013 | Me

Posted on 07/06/2013 6:28:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins

Oregon Air National Guard is requesting permission to expand their flight airspace for F15's training in Oregon and along the Pacific Ocean Coast. They are requesting "Comments during the 'Environmental Impact Analysis Process' underway for the proposed Oregon Airspace Initiative". Be sure to include "Oregon Airspace Initiative" in the subject line.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: airspace; expansion; f15s; flyzone; thesoundoffreedom
Neighbors here at the Oregon coast are going to provide comments AGAINST this expansion.....if you have comments, you can Email them (BY JULY 21, 2013) to

ang.env.comments@ang.af.mil OR

Mail to Mr. Robert Dogan, NGB/A7AM Shepperd Hall 3501 Fetchet Avenue Joint Base Andrews MD 20762-5157

1 posted on 07/06/2013 6:28:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins

Unfortunately there is NO website providing this info anywhere that I know of...


2 posted on 07/06/2013 6:28:51 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Salvation

Oregon ping


3 posted on 07/06/2013 6:30:49 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

F15s. There is no apostrophe. It is plural, not possessive.


4 posted on 07/06/2013 6:56:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus
F15s. There is no apostrophe

F-15s. There is a dash.

5 posted on 07/06/2013 7:07:28 PM PDT by cayuga (A gov't that can take your AR-15 can take anything else it wants.)
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To: goodnesswins
There seems to be no information about this in your thread.

Are you asking for comments in favor or against this expansion?

As a side note, the only training facility for F-15 pilots in the country is located in Klamath Falls, OR.

6 posted on 07/06/2013 7:10:11 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: goodnesswins

What is your problem?

Maybe you would prefer if they were Chinese or Russian aircraft.


7 posted on 07/06/2013 7:14:04 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: cayuga

With the afterburner, definitely.


8 posted on 07/06/2013 7:18:25 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: cayuga

Actually the dash is not grammatically necessary. It is stylistic and it is better were it there, though.


9 posted on 07/06/2013 7:19:46 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: All; goodnesswins

An article from Burns (Eastern), Oregon regarding this:

Airspace expansion proposal discussed
Posted on June 26th in News

Public concerns include more air traffic, wind turbines

by Lindy Steeves

Burns Times-Herald

The Air National Guard met with citizens of Harney County on June 20 to discuss concerns with their proposed Oregon Airspace Initiative.

The proposal would increase the training airspace of the 173d Fighter Wing Air National Guard Base near Klamath Falls. The new airspace border would cover parts of Harney County and is near the Burns area. This increase in available airspace will allow student pilots to train in 21st century combat styles.

After a brief summary of the proposal and the local areas it would affect, Colonel Chris Casson opened up the meeting to public discussion and concerns.

Local airplane owners expressed worries about overcrowded airspace and flying conflicts. Members of the initiative committee said that they would be flying on a different altitude than privately-owned planes, and there would be advance communication when they were planning to fly. The F15s are equipped with on-board radar that will alert pilots to any nearby aircraft. The committee also said that a noise complaint hotline had been implemented for citizens if the need arose.

Another worry concerned the proposed wind turbines and possible collisions when pilots were flying at low altitude. After showing maps of the proposed expansion zone, Col. Casson said that the possible wind turbine areas were outside of the expansion borders, and the fighters would be flying too high to contact the 400-foot tall turbines.

One concerned citizen asked about the possibility of drones being used in association with the changing training routines. Captain Stephen Bomar and Col. Casson assured that there was no potential for drone usage. If the possibility ever arose, future proposals would need to be drawn up and additional scoping meetings would be held.

Other concerns included the weapons carried aboard the F15s. Col. Casson reported that, as the pilots would be students and teachers practicing aerial combat maneuvers, there would be no weaponry on board of any kind.

In anticipation of possible community and environmental concern, the committee had redrawn the expansion line so that the Malheur Wildlife Range and the Steens Mountain were avoided. The altered expansion zone will protect wildlife from noise and possible flight pattern conflicts. In further efforts to avoid wildlife interaction, the unit will continue to contact local fish and wildlife offices before they allow flights to run. If bird flight patterns are “high” or active, flights will be cancelled.

“We don’t want to fight with people or communities over this. This is why we have these meetings, so we can hear all these concerns and try to work around them,” Capt. Bomar said.

Before the proposal is approved and put into affect, additional tests, studies and meetings must be held to meet the requirements of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The FAA will then conduct a year-long (minimum) series of tests and meetings of its own. If it is accepted by the FAA, NEPA and the community, the Oregon Airspace Initiative may take anywhere from three to five years to pass.

http://burnstimesherald.info/?s=Oregon+Air+National+Guard&x=19&y=7


10 posted on 07/06/2013 8:02:36 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks.


11 posted on 07/06/2013 8:40:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: oldbill

I DO NOT have a problem....there are others around here, however, who ARE going to provide input....I thought some here might want to provide INPUT otherwise.


12 posted on 07/06/2013 8:41:26 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

The “others” I reference in the post above are going to provide input AGAINST the change....(I found out about it at a neighborhood meeting here on the Coast.)


13 posted on 07/06/2013 8:42:44 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

I live in Crescent City, CA. They do mock dogfights over us all the time. Bothers some folks and some types of folks, I guess, but I enjoy watching the show. I had no idea an F15 could turn that tight!


14 posted on 07/06/2013 9:46:33 PM PDT by 91B40
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To: 91B40

HA....that was sorta (under my breath) comment when I heard a woman complaining....FREE AIRSHOW!!!


15 posted on 07/06/2013 9:57:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

I don’t know if y’all remember this from a couple of years ago, but there was a time in the sunmmmer of 2011 (IIRC) when Odumbo was visiting Seattle for some silly reason. Anyway, some private pilot who apparently didn’t watch the news (or read FAA advisories, for that matter) blundered into the 60-mile ‘restricted zone’ around Air Force One (even though it was on the ground at Boeing Field).

Anyway, since the guy didn’t have his radio on, he didn’t respond to the repeated radio calls to tuern around. So, they scramble a couple of F-15s fro the Northwetern Defense Zone to intercept. Those -15s were based in Portland. I’m not sure how long it took between launch and intercept, but I guaran-damn-tee they were at full ‘burner from the time they took off until then. How do I know? I live about 45 miles south of Seattle. I had never experienced a ‘live’ sonic boom before...until that day. Darn near blew the windows out of my house. Fact is, the whole house shook like something hit it.

Twice.

Don’t know if the poor devil ever kept his pilot’s license.


16 posted on 07/06/2013 10:27:48 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: jazusamo

There are a few other places for F-15 training in the country but this is their state’s ANG. As I take it, they can go other places for training but the costs would be more. They have their own planes and trainers in state but using active duty or other state’s facilities would drive up costs considerably. They just need less airspace restrictions.


17 posted on 07/06/2013 10:40:10 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: arthurus
Actually the dash is not grammatically necessary. It is stylistic and it is better were it there, though.

Grammer and style have nothing to do with the dash. It is part of the designation for the aircraft.

For example: the F4D is not the same plane as the F-4D.

18 posted on 07/07/2013 7:03:42 AM PDT by cayuga (A gov't that can take your AR-15 can take anything else it wants.)
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To: hoagy62

I was raised in Kent...we had sonic boom many times in the 50s and 60s


19 posted on 07/07/2013 7:38:15 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Prior to three or four years ago the 173 Fighter Wing at Kingsley Field basically trained ANG F-15 pilots but the Air Force consolidated training of all F-15 pilots to the 173 and it's now the premier training facility. I'm sure some training goes on elsewhere but it's now the main one.

173 Fighter Wing, Klamath Falls, OR.

20 posted on 07/07/2013 8:50:30 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: goodnesswins

You’re most welcome.


21 posted on 07/07/2013 8:53:07 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Didn’t know that they only went to one training center for all ANG pilots. Now that I think about it, for years active duty centers have been 100%+ full for training needs and most likely couldn’t handle any overflow.

Would suck though for severe restrictions on flying and if they can’t be eased, a move might be in order.


22 posted on 07/07/2013 9:06:28 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: jazusamo

Oops, I just reread that it does all active and ANG training.


23 posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:08 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Yep, that’s exactly why they’re asking to expand.

The expansions they’re asking for are not a big deal, really. The Eastern part is mostly mountain and high desert they use for low altitude and terrain following technique, that part of the state is very sparsely populated.

The Western part is mostly over ocean for air to air combat and probably will not affect the coastal towns much if at all.


24 posted on 07/07/2013 9:18:07 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: arthurus
Listen Buster. ;-)

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25 posted on 07/07/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: cayuga
Grammar.
26 posted on 07/07/2013 10:04:11 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus
Grammar.

(sp) Aarrrrrrrg

Well played. I should have known better than to leave you that opening. The Sisters who were my grade school teachers always used spelling as the trump card.

p.s. Your Home Page hits the nail on the head regarding Islam. Unfortunately, I doubt if 1% of the U.S. population knows anything about it. Take care, my FRiend.

27 posted on 07/07/2013 2:51:43 PM PDT by cayuga (A gov't that can take your AR-15 can take anything else it wants.)
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To: arthurus
Grammar.

(sp) Aarrrrrrrg

Well played. I should have known better than to leave you that opening. The Sisters who were my grade school teachers always used spelling as the trump card.

p.s. Your Home Page hits the nail on the head regarding Islam. Unfortunately, I doubt if 1% of the U.S. population knows anything about it.

Take care, my FRiend.

28 posted on 07/07/2013 2:59:11 PM PDT by cayuga (A gov't that can take your AR-15 can take anything else it wants.)
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To: arthurus

Actually, the dash is necessary as it describes correctly the type of jet.

“F-15” is the official type (official name), not “F15.”


29 posted on 07/07/2013 6:49:58 PM PDT by Hulka
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