Skip to comments.In Secret, Court Vastly Broadens Powers of N.S.A. (almost a parallel Supreme Court)
Posted on 07/06/2013 9:00:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
The 11-member Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, was once mostly focused on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders. But since major changes in legislation and greater judicial oversight of intelligence operations were instituted six years ago, it has quietly become ALMOST A PARALLEL SUPREME COURT, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues and delivering opinions that will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said.
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Remember how the Democrats in congress were constantly making an issue of the FISA court back during the Bush administration?
University librarians lined up to go on the record as refusing to cooperate with the “let us know if anyone is checking out lots of books on bomb making” provision.
I catch hell from my friends for not condemning Snowden. 5-6 years ago I would have. I have absolutely no faith in anything that the government says.
A secret court that rules in secret and only hears the government’s side.
This is why we are not a dictatorship. We have openness and accountability.
“Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court”
I did not know this existed. How many of you reading this knew?
I’ve known it for something like 5-10 years already. A long time. It started out they could wiretap mafiosi or do “sneak and peek” searches on such people. Now, it would appear, they have decided that their jurisdiction is a wee bit larger.
“decided that their jurisdiction is a wee bit larger.”
A wee bit of an understatement, there.
Maybe we can have a secret court for each of the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights.
Freedom of speech or religion? We’ve a secret court for that.
Second Amendment? We’ve a secret court for that.
All your rights have been revoked. Don’t like it? There’s a secret court for that.
Wow! Current events not your strong suit??
Don’t feel bad. Seems the press doesn’t care.
The FISA judges . well, I can’t say it. They’re part and parcel of the destruction of our way of life. That is to say, their existence and decisions are antithetical to natural law. For those of you in Rio Linda, that means freedom.
The Court, unbeknownst to the public, has actually been operating under the legal term for a “wee bit,” which is a “smidgeon”.
Not to mention, this monstrosity of a “court” is likely nowhere to be found in the Constitution! It’s most likely a rubber stamp for .gov and its intelligence services!
You need a wider body of friends. I can’t imagine anyone dumb enough to think we need a FISA to fight terrorism.
Read. Joseph. Farrell.
OK... the acronym doesn't fit the source description. Is there a reason ?
Is Moscow, do they have the same 'court' and do they call it the FISB ?
N.S.A. = No Such Agency
>> Remember how the Democrats in congress were constantly making an issue of the FISA court
An example of how Congress has the legal, financial, and political means to affect the outcome of the controversial activity.
Yeah, people can't be that stupid.
FISA started in the 70’s I believe..
I don’t even know why anyone would serve in the military, anymore. Yeah, they swear an oath to defend the Constitution, but in reality they are defending a dictatorship.
Where does it say all that in the Constitution?
Maybe even not so wee an understatement.
F.I.S.A = Federal Internet Screening Authority
The younger dynachrome starte majoring in booze and other drugs about then.
Hey, if it weren’t for this heroism, Bin Laden and his gang would be riding their camels down Constitution Avenue and we’d all be speaking Eye-Racki. Oh ... 9/11, 9/11, 9/11!
What are you, some kind of DU dope smoker? Or libertarian tinfoil hat in his Mom’s basement .... blah, blah ...
Giuliani in 2016!
“I dont even know why anyone would serve in the military, anymore.”
To learn as much as you can of course.
I catch hell from my friends for not condemning Snowden.
Those “patriots” would be all too happy to report you to the nearest commissar if we had them.
How about a secret court court?
It would be a double secret court court comprised of commuting homeowners picked randomly off the street to serve 30 day terms determining which xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx will be subject to xxxxxxxxxx leading to xxxxxx and xxxxxxxxxx with xx xxxxx xx xxxxxx.
(redacted for reasons of double secret court court national security)
But but, they are catching terrorists, so it`s ok.
USA isn`t a Constitutional Republic anymore. Hasn`t been since Lincoln and certainly gone since FDR. It`s akin to a 3rd world banana State with reserve currency status. Once it loses reserve currency status, the Statist dystopia collapses.
I thought I knew about most of this stuff (well, that’s public), but I had never heard of that court until recently (like the last month or so).
secret courts are g-d unconstitutional.
there is so much wrong with fedgov, it must all be stopped, and rebuilt fromthe ground up.
This made me laugh, though only to keep me from screaming in rage. Justice is important to me, see the tagline.
And more and more they have to hide any Christian beliefs they have, and they have to be careful to not offend the sodomites.
Bumping that to the top!
I had a conversation with one of my (still military) buds the other day.
He asked me what I thought of Snowden.
I said I’m conflicted, because though he did violate the letter of the law regarding his confidentiality agreement, I haven’t seen any evidence of actual harm he has committed against the Republic. And what moral crime has he committed? In fact, Snowden has revealed some of the unconstitutional activities being conducted, acts of which favor freedom and adherence to the Constitution. Sunshine is the best disinfectant!
He said Snowden’s a traitor, but he couldn’t name any specific acts of treason such as revealing the names and locations of CIA agents overseas (like Jack Anderson did years ago, to the accolades of the media at the time — and got away with it).
Next time I see my buddy, I’ll ask him if he supports the second amendment (I know he does, and he’s probably a CCP holder too). Then I will point out the irony of his support for gun rights, versus his condemnation of someone who does a better job defending other constitutional rights than he does, even though he supposedly is the one who took an oath to defend the Constitution.
I don’t think of Snowden as being either a hero or villain, yet. It’s too early to know the entirety of his revelations. Maybe he will reveal specifics that compromise our ability to conduct special operations against our jihadist enemies — who knows, too early to say. But as long as he’s only revealing the existence of unconstitutional government abuses against American citizens, I applaud him.
FISA is a Supra Judicial system outside the purview of our traditional adversarial system.
They don’t convict anyone of crimes, attached to their so called purview and that should trouble anyone who understands what a Star Chamber Court does.
If they have not the power to convict then they are illegitimate.
Doesn’t make me superior but, as one whose living is affected by the various laws that CALEA, FISA, HIPPAA and the Patriot Acts I am constantly reminded.
Even SOX and Frank-Dodd are taken into consideration with my clients.
How are these "officials" any different from Snowden, given the classified information they are leaking? Will Obama (and everyone else who've been hammering Snowden) go after them and the NYT with the same gusto?
Who is the Parallel President and the Parallel Congress, because they really really suck!
*****Wow! Current events not your strong suit??*****
Wow. You chose to lambast a fellow conservative. Quit being a bond-breaker.
Unaccountable rubber stamp star chamber, and it's scary as hell that the moron unicorn-chaser Diane Feinstein appears to be the principal "oversight" authority and that the FISA judges are regularly blowing her off and she's too stupid to realize it.
Yeah we need as many good people in the military as we can get.
We’ll either have a military loyal to the left or a military loyal to the constitution and to the people.
IIRC, Congress can create various courts, per the Constitution. I don’t believe the Founders envisioned this kind of evil, though.