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In Secret, Court Vastly Broadens Powers of N.S.A. (almost a parallel Supreme Court)
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Posted on 07/06/2013 9:00:30 PM PDT by chessplayer

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Hang that traitor Snowden! sarc/
1 posted on 07/06/2013 9:00:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
More than a parallel Supreme Court - more powerful, more sinister - Camera Stellata.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

2 posted on 07/06/2013 9:05:14 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: chessplayer

Remember how the Democrats in congress were constantly making an issue of the FISA court back during the Bush administration?

University librarians lined up to go on the record as refusing to cooperate with the “let us know if anyone is checking out lots of books on bomb making” provision.


3 posted on 07/06/2013 9:11:56 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: chessplayer

I catch hell from my friends for not condemning Snowden. 5-6 years ago I would have. I have absolutely no faith in anything that the government says.


4 posted on 07/06/2013 9:12:44 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: chessplayer

A secret court that rules in secret and only hears the government’s side.
This is why we are not a dictatorship. We have openness and accountability.


5 posted on 07/06/2013 9:14:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: chessplayer

“Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court”

I did not know this existed. How many of you reading this knew?


6 posted on 07/06/2013 9:15:31 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

I’ve known it for something like 5-10 years already. A long time. It started out they could wiretap mafiosi or do “sneak and peek” searches on such people. Now, it would appear, they have decided that their jurisdiction is a wee bit larger.


7 posted on 07/06/2013 9:18:29 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

“decided that their jurisdiction is a wee bit larger.”

A wee bit of an understatement, there.


8 posted on 07/06/2013 9:20:38 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: chessplayer

Maybe we can have a secret court for each of the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

Freedom of speech or religion? We’ve a secret court for that.

Second Amendment? We’ve a secret court for that.

All your rights have been revoked. Don’t like it? There’s a secret court for that.


9 posted on 07/06/2013 9:21:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: dynachrome
I did not know this existed. How many of you reading this knew?

Wow! Current events not your strong suit??

10 posted on 07/06/2013 9:26:05 PM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: null and void

Another one?


11 posted on 07/06/2013 9:26:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dynachrome

Don’t feel bad. Seems the press doesn’t care.

The FISA judges . well, I can’t say it. They’re part and parcel of the destruction of our way of life. That is to say, their existence and decisions are antithetical to natural law. For those of you in Rio Linda, that means freedom.


12 posted on 07/06/2013 9:32:06 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: chessplayer


13 posted on 07/06/2013 9:32:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: dynachrome

The Court, unbeknownst to the public, has actually been operating under the legal term for a “wee bit,” which is a “smidgeon”.


14 posted on 07/06/2013 9:34:49 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: sickoflibs
We have openness and accountability.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 9:35:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: dynachrome
I have known of that body for some time. I have appeared before one of the judges of that Court, although not in his capacity as a member of that Court, but sitting as a Judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Without going into the gory details of that case, which I cannot due to Rules of Conduct, I will tell you that I would not have my fate resting in that judge's hands.

I perceive no difference between FISA and any other Secret, Unilateral "Court," whether denominated as FISA, Star Chamber, Inquisition, or Tribunal Révolutionnaire.

And I don't buy that one must acquiesce in the erosion of one's God-given rights to maintain "security." In my long lifetime, we have never had "security" - but in my youth we had Freedom. Freedom is all that matters - without it, there is no life, at least for me!



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

16 posted on 07/06/2013 9:40:23 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Ray76
Court is now in session.


17 posted on 07/06/2013 9:41:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: sickoflibs

Not to mention, this monstrosity of a “court” is likely nowhere to be found in the Constitution! It’s most likely a rubber stamp for .gov and its intelligence services!


18 posted on 07/06/2013 9:41:51 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

You need a wider body of friends. I can’t imagine anyone dumb enough to think we need a FISA to fight terrorism.


19 posted on 07/06/2013 9:43:54 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: dynachrome

Read. Joseph. Farrell.

CA....


20 posted on 07/06/2013 9:44:26 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: dynachrome
“Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court”

OK... the acronym doesn't fit the source description. Is there a reason ?

Is Moscow, do they have the same 'court' and do they call it the FISB ?

21 posted on 07/06/2013 9:45:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

N.S.A. = No Such Agency


22 posted on 07/06/2013 9:48:07 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Steely Tom

>> Remember how the Democrats in congress were constantly making an issue of the FISA court

An example of how Congress has the legal, financial, and political means to affect the outcome of the controversial activity.


23 posted on 07/06/2013 9:51:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: gotribe
I can’t imagine anyone dumb enough to think we need a FISA to fight terrorism.

Yeah, people can't be that stupid.


24 posted on 07/06/2013 9:52:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: dynachrome

FISA started in the 70’s I believe..


25 posted on 07/06/2013 9:53:35 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Skip impeachment and move straight to deportation..)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I don’t even know why anyone would serve in the military, anymore. Yeah, they swear an oath to defend the Constitution, but in reality they are defending a dictatorship.


26 posted on 07/06/2013 9:54:29 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Where does it say all that in the Constitution?


27 posted on 07/06/2013 9:54:30 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: dynachrome

Maybe even not so wee an understatement.


28 posted on 07/06/2013 9:57:04 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Orange1998

F.I.S.A = Federal Internet Screening Authority


29 posted on 07/06/2013 9:57:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: cardinal4

The younger dynachrome starte majoring in booze and other drugs about then.


30 posted on 07/06/2013 9:59:04 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Standing Wolf

Hey, if it weren’t for this heroism, Bin Laden and his gang would be riding their camels down Constitution Avenue and we’d all be speaking Eye-Racki. Oh ... 9/11, 9/11, 9/11!

What are you, some kind of DU dope smoker? Or libertarian tinfoil hat in his Mom’s basement .... blah, blah ...

Giuliani in 2016!

/megasarc


31 posted on 07/06/2013 10:01:34 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: chessplayer

“I don’t even know why anyone would serve in the military, anymore.”

To learn as much as you can of course.


32 posted on 07/06/2013 10:06:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I catch hell from my friends for not condemning Snowden.


Those “patriots” would be all too happy to report you to the nearest commissar if we had them.


33 posted on 07/06/2013 10:07:09 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Ray76
Maybe we can have a secret court for each of the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights. Freedom of speech or religion? We’ve a secret court for that. Second Amendment? We’ve a secret court for that. All your rights have been revoked. Don’t like it? There’s a secret court for that.

OK.

How about a secret court court?

It would be a double secret court court comprised of commuting homeowners picked randomly off the street to serve 30 day terms determining which xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx will be subject to xxxxxxxxxx leading to xxxxxx and xxxxxxxxxx with xx xxxxx xx xxxxxx.

(redacted for reasons of double secret court court national security)

.

34 posted on 07/06/2013 10:15:48 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

But but, they are catching terrorists, so it`s ok.

USA isn`t a Constitutional Republic anymore. Hasn`t been since Lincoln and certainly gone since FDR. It`s akin to a 3rd world banana State with reserve currency status. Once it loses reserve currency status, the Statist dystopia collapses.


35 posted on 07/06/2013 10:20:14 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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To: dynachrome

I thought I knew about most of this stuff (well, that’s public), but I had never heard of that court until recently (like the last month or so).


36 posted on 07/06/2013 10:26:12 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: chessplayer

secret courts are g-d unconstitutional.

there is so much wrong with fedgov, it must all be stopped, and rebuilt fromthe ground up.


37 posted on 07/06/2013 10:37:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sickoflibs
A secret court that rules in secret and only hears the government’s side.
This is why we are not a dictatorship. We have openness and accountability.

This made me laugh, though only to keep me from screaming in rage. Justice is important to me, see the tagline.

38 posted on 07/06/2013 11:17:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: chessplayer

And more and more they have to hide any Christian beliefs they have, and they have to be careful to not offend the sodomites.


39 posted on 07/06/2013 11:25:06 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Bumping that to the top!


40 posted on 07/06/2013 11:28:16 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: chessplayer

I had a conversation with one of my (still military) buds the other day.

He asked me what I thought of Snowden.

I said I’m conflicted, because though he did violate the letter of the law regarding his confidentiality agreement, I haven’t seen any evidence of actual harm he has committed against the Republic. And what moral crime has he committed? In fact, Snowden has revealed some of the unconstitutional activities being conducted, acts of which favor freedom and adherence to the Constitution. Sunshine is the best disinfectant!

He said Snowden’s a traitor, but he couldn’t name any specific acts of treason such as revealing the names and locations of CIA agents overseas (like Jack Anderson did years ago, to the accolades of the media at the time — and got away with it).

Next time I see my buddy, I’ll ask him if he supports the second amendment (I know he does, and he’s probably a CCP holder too). Then I will point out the irony of his support for gun rights, versus his condemnation of someone who does a better job defending other constitutional rights than he does, even though he supposedly is the one who took an oath to defend the Constitution.

I don’t think of Snowden as being either a hero or villain, yet. It’s too early to know the entirety of his revelations. Maybe he will reveal specifics that compromise our ability to conduct special operations against our jihadist enemies — who knows, too early to say. But as long as he’s only revealing the existence of unconstitutional government abuses against American citizens, I applaud him.


41 posted on 07/07/2013 12:10:25 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: chessplayer

FISA is a Supra Judicial system outside the purview of our traditional adversarial system.

They don’t convict anyone of crimes, attached to their so called purview and that should trouble anyone who understands what a Star Chamber Court does.

If they have not the power to convict then they are illegitimate.


42 posted on 07/07/2013 12:25:01 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: dynachrome

I did.

Doesn’t make me superior but, as one whose living is affected by the various laws that CALEA, FISA, HIPPAA and the Patriot Acts I am constantly reminded.

Even SOX and Frank-Dodd are taken into consideration with my clients.


43 posted on 07/07/2013 12:28:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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"The official, like a half-dozen other current and former national security officials, discussed the court’s rulings and the general trends they have established on the condition of anonymity because they are classified"

How are these "officials" any different from Snowden, given the classified information they are leaking? Will Obama (and everyone else who've been hammering Snowden) go after them and the NYT with the same gusto?

44 posted on 07/07/2013 2:01:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: chessplayer

Who is the Parallel President and the Parallel Congress, because they really really suck!


45 posted on 07/07/2013 2:40:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: null and void

Pingaroo


46 posted on 07/07/2013 2:41:06 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Antoninus II

*****Wow! Current events not your strong suit??*****

Wow. You chose to lambast a fellow conservative. Quit being a bond-breaker.


47 posted on 07/07/2013 3:01:02 AM PDT by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: chessplayer
None of the requests from the intelligence agencies was denied, according to the court.

Unaccountable rubber stamp star chamber, and it's scary as hell that the moron unicorn-chaser Diane Feinstein appears to be the principal "oversight" authority and that the FISA judges are regularly blowing her off and she's too stupid to realize it.

48 posted on 07/07/2013 3:01:14 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: DesertRhino

Yeah we need as many good people in the military as we can get.

We’ll either have a military loyal to the left or a military loyal to the constitution and to the people.


49 posted on 07/07/2013 3:36:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: KoRn

IIRC, Congress can create various courts, per the Constitution. I don’t believe the Founders envisioned this kind of evil, though.


50 posted on 07/07/2013 3:40:56 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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