Audio: ATC scrambles for San Francisco Asiana B777 crash (How it sounded to air traffic control)

airtrafficmanagement.net ^ | 7-6-2013 | Aimee Turner

[Corpus_Delicious]

I’ll speculate as to the cause of this crash. I think it was pilot error. The altimeter was improperly set, and the pilots must have been distracted by something since they didn’t notice they were much lower than they should have been. The ILS simply flew them into the ground.

[elcid1970]

My assumption was they came in too hot badly underestimating 28L’s available length, flared too big to decelerate & made the tail kiss the rocks. Temptation with runways bounded by water is to put the mains down right on the threshhold stripes & maximize your rollout.

Or maybe it was a bad altimeter setting. Do the pilots fly it at that point or is final approach done automatically? Anyway, the newsies felt it necessary to announce that “the crash will be fully investigated by NTSB”.

[cripplecreek]

I’m kind of surprised at how little coverage the Canadian train derailment is getting.

Granted its in Canada but still, 60 missing is newsworthy.

[csvset]

the newsies

They ask the dumbest questions.

[Carriage Hill]

2 deceased ID’d as students, in morning’s Fox News article.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/california-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[boomop1]

One interviewee said the tapes he had access to showed an excessive rate of decent on final about 1400 fpm, which may explain the short landing problem no time to correct.

[SunTzuWu]

Bookmark.

[DAC21]

“The 2 deceased (RIP) bodies were found on the runway, have been listed as ‘passengers’ and ‘unidentified’. But who usually sits far aft? Flight attendants? Is that one of the galleys back there?”

My Sister is a Flight Attendant with Delta and fly’s exclusively the 777 on the LA to Sydney route (but lives in San Fran) Our family’s are currently on vacation together so I was right next to her yesterday when the news popped up on her Smartphone. I can confirm that the tail section is a Galley and the furthest seats back in that section are for flight Attendants.

[B212]

reports have the weather as calm....hence the risk of wake turbulence from an arriving heavy aircraft could be a factor....all modern aircraft have voice call outs of ground proximity....hard to ignore all alarms and voice calls that come with a low(er) than normal approach...

[Calvin Locke]

Back in the 80s or 90s, there was a brief spate of plane crashes. Survivors from a couple of the early ones were sitting in the back.

There was a spike in requests for seats at the back.

Obviously, if the plane strikes tail first...

[Plexi]

The ILS simply flew them into the ground.

Only in Hollywood movies... The ILS system doesn't rely on a proper altimeter setting. If the pilot was flying the ILS and had the needles centered, he would have arrived at the proper touchdown point on the runway regardless of altimeter setting.

It's more likely they were flying a visual approach.

[Hulka]

Funny. . .and just the right balance of wry humor in the face of terrible circumstance.

[Hulka]

“The altimeter was improperly set. . .they didn’t notice they were much lower than they should have been. The ILS simply flew them into the ground.”

Please go to http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039821/posts

There you will find commentary from 777 pilots and pilots that have flown into SFO.

You will discover what you think is highly unlikely and downright impossible (ILS flying the jet into the ground for example).

Specifically, on that thread look for XHogPilot and BatGuano.

[Carriage Hill]

Thanks. Did they locate the port-side engine? I haven’t seen it anywhere, even in wide shots of the crash area. I can only see 1 engine in all of the pics. Maybe it’s burrowed into the ground under the l/s wing, but I sure can’t see it.