Skip to comments.Are Conspiracy Theories Sometimes True?
Posted on 07/07/2013 9:57:25 AM PDT by pinochet
Often, when a Freeper proposes an idea that seems too crazy to be true, we totally dismiss him, and describe him as one who wears tin foil hats. One year ago, nobody would have believed that the American government spies on everyone. If someone had suggested such a thing last year, he would have been dismissed as a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist.
What other theories have respectable American conservatives dismissed in the past, that may be true? I keep thinking back to Robert Welch of the John Birch Society of the 1960s, who suggested that there exists a communist conspiracy among elites in academia, to indoctrinate American youth in communist ideas. According to this theory, American communists realized that they could not take over the devoutly Bible-Believing American nation of the 1950s, with an armed revolt. America had too many Bible-Believers with guns, and they could not take over America with an army like they did in Russia in 1917. They also could not teach directly from the books of Marx, Engels, or Lenin. The American Commies are supposed to have developed a clever means of injecting communist ideas whenever they talked about American history or society.
According to this theory, college graduates would enter government institutions and implement communist ideas, without realizing that those ideas are communist. Mainstream conservatives such as William F. Buckley excommunicated Robert Welch from the "respectable" conservative movement, and dismissed him as a nut. When you think of Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Van Jones, Gore, Patty Murray, Ginsburg, and all those other leftists in public office, did they end up that way by accident? What about those college graduates doing the Occupy Wall Street stuff? Is that also a coincidence?
Were the Birchers wrong about everything?
If you teach those same ideas without reference to Marx, Engels and Lenin, nobody will call it communism. But, hey, who wants to be called a Tin Foil Hat nutter?
Of course some are real and virtually all both true and untrue alike have a kernel of truth in them.
However its also important to note that some are promoted by our foreign and domestic enemies as a means of damaging us.
If someone had described the Obama regime in detail during the GWB years, and told us that it would be upon us at the end of his term, that person would have been hooted off Free Republic with scorn and derision.
There was some crazy conspiracy a few years back. Something about a bunch of chaps in taverns plotting to overthrow the redcoats, some even tell it like they dressed up as injuns and threw a load of tea in the water.....
Of course conspiracies are sometimes true. One can never overthrow an entrenched power unless one starts planning in secret.
The document below is an exact copy of the original document that
Mr. John Nelson wrote on February 21, 1992 with the following exceptions:
DECLARATION OF CAUSE AND NECESSITY TO ABOLISH
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I have enclosed Senate Report No. 93-549, 93rd Congress, 1st Session (1973), “Summary Of Emergency Power Statutes”, consisting of 607 pages, which I believe you will find most interesting. The United States went “Bankrupt” in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933 (See: Senate Report 93-549, pgs. 187 & 594), under the “Trading with The Enemy Act” (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Sess. I, Chs. 105, 106, October 5, 1917), and as codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a. On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank System, the Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of the United States Treasury for criminal acts. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee, and has yet to be acted upon (See: Congressional Record, pp. 4055-4058). Congress confirmed the Bankruptcy on June 5, 1933, and impaired the obligations and considerations of contracts through the “Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold Clause, June 5, 1933”, (See: House Joint Resolution 192, 73rd Congress, 1st Session). The several States of the Union pledged the faith and credit thereof to the aid of the National Government, and formed numerous socialist committees, such as the “Council Of State Governments”, “Social Security Administration” etc., to purportedly deal with the economic “Emergency.” These Organizations operated under the “Declaration of INTERdependence” of January 22, 1937, and published some of their activities in “The Book of the States.” The 1937 edition of the Book of the States openly declared that the people engaged in such activities as the Farming/Husbandry Industry had been reduced to mere feudal “Tenants” on their Land. Book Of The States, 1937, pg. 155. This of course was compounded by such activities as price fixing wheat and grains 7 U.S.C.A. 1332, quota regulations 7 U.S.C.A. 1371, and livestock products 7 U.S.C.A. 1903, which have been consistently below the costs of production, interest on loans and inflation of the paper “Bills of Credit”, leaving the food producers and others in a state of peonage and involuntary servitude, constituting the taking of private property, for the benefit and use of others, without just compensation.
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Gibbs’ Rules #35 and #39.
Well there were a few of us who were a little concerned with the patriot act....
“Are Conspiracy Theories Sometimes True?”
Are true accounts sometimes classified as “conspiracy theories,”... and by whom?
I have family members that remember the Birchers talking about just that. They also talked about how the FBI would take pictures of them after they came out of those meetings.
How soon we forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
About ten years ago, FR was up in arms over ECHELON. The spying capabilities of the US gov’t were widely known then. It was discussed that they were monitoring phone calls for ‘keywords’ such as bomb, assassinate, etc. Once the computer identified keywords, they’d pass the rest of the call on to a human for analysis.
For the last month, I’ve been rolling my eyes at the hysteria surrounding this NSA whistle-blower mess. This is all old news.
So why are we so shocked and shaken now? Why is this such a big deal? Is there any thinking person out there who could imagine a world with these technological capabilities that *wouldn’t* monitor everything? Are we really that naive?
And do any of us really believe that public outcry and constitutional court cases will actually shut this down?
All they’ll do (if they do anything) is publicly shut down the program, issue heartfelt statements of outrage, and then keep it going under another name/agency.
Big Brother is here.
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning
Author: Jonah Goldberg
When I was a kid around 1957 I watched the news and believed everything they said.
I can distinctly remember wanting to take my .22 single shot and join the romantic Castro in Cuba.
There was a crazy right wing group called the John Birch Society who claimed he was secretly a Communist and was being aided secretly by the Soviet Union. When I say secretly, they would give Castro aid but it would not be AK-47s, it would be weapons like they could have gotten from the Cuban military or civilians.
Was the John Birch society just lucky that they guessed what was going on?
Was I and millions more being mislead by the media?
Some libs I know were big fans of Alex Jones when he was Truthin on Bush/Cheney.
Now that Alex is Truthin on the B0 administration, they consider him a dangerous nutjob.
Sept. 11, 2011 - My personal tin foil hat post.
No one should have any reasonable expectation of privacy on the Information Superhighway. The Internet basically tracks and stores everything. Dont believe me? Google your response in this tread in 15 minutes (it will indexed). Pay attention to the advertisements that are presented to you. Google How to write a novel and writing school ads will show up in banners and Facebook. Get in trouble with the law and every text, search, or picture viewed for the last several years is available to law enforcement. The price of using the Internet is your privacy, you have none.
Its easy to manipulate the bulk of mankind. The media has been doing it for decades.
Joe McCarthy, the Paul Revere of his day, warned us of the communist conspiracy. Yet he was ultimately destroyed by the media, which had already been infiltrated.
How about Nikita Kruschev pounding his shoe on his desk at the UN, proclaiming “we will bury you”. Again it was poo pooed, with the media giving him cover.
Today the MSM is overrun with socialists and commies as are the vast majority of educational institutions. Folks we have only ourselves to blame, as the current socialist regime exerts its control with nary a whimper.
Oh, and you can bet be we are being monitored here at Free Republic, and I’m not talking about our mods or those DU trolls either. I wonder what special operation name Big Sis has watching conservatives?
It ain’t paranoia if they really are picking on you....
There has been a largely unprovoked but sustained attack on most of the world I once knew, and expected to continue to be available to my old age and coming generations.
But any rights we used to enjoy have been severely truncated, or ignored altogether, with an ever-encroaching demand that subservience is the “highest good”. Oh, it is coached, at first, in making things “safer”, or “better”, for the individual, but as each facet of personal decision-making is given up, there is no recourse when the subject that has already been decided FOR you, proves to be not at all in personal best interests.
To dare to challenge the “new normal” is to risk being incarcerated, heavily fined, or worse. The name of that option is called “civil disobedience”, but ultimately, it is the last weapon of the desperate and those for whom all hope has been dashed.
The dawn of the “urban guerrilla” warfare against what was once the government to whom you had sworn allegiance, only to find they had changed all the rules while you slept.
Time for a “Redeclaration of Independence”. Shouldn’t be too hard to update the language.
Were the Birchers wrong about anything?
Makes you kinda wonder with all the anti-human crap the government does these days if they have been co-opted by another power without our species best interests in mind...
Other true conspiracies:
LBJ had JFK murdered.
TWA 800 was shot down.
Mel Gibson would never have asked, “Which one?”... if they weren’t!
'You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you. Well so weaken your economy until youll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.' "
The Birchers were correct about absolutely everything, I learned to my surprise when I began to research communism - more than twenty years ago - as a result of a trip to a communist country. That first trip led to many more trips - but what was always more shocking than the horrors of communism, was learning about the degree of penetration communism had - and still has - in our government and media.
I despise WFB - pompous patrician sell out - for marginalizing the only group that was telling the truth about what was going on.
The last Indiana Jones movie had a very similar line, was the best part imo heh.
Are conspiracy theories real? Yeah, that’s what the early American Indian wondered.
Was I and millions more being mislead by the media?...Uhh, gee. I think we all have been from TET onward.
Post-Cold War revelations show that the Birchers were right about the extraordinary depth and extent of communist spying and subversion against the United States and her allies. The Birchers though missed the point that much of the potency of Communism was due to the broad appeal of the Left’s ideas, which in turn are based on the view that mankind is perfectible through science and the effective application of government power. By focusing so intensely on communism, the Birchers forfeited ground in that larger intellectual and moral contest.
Everyone thought I was wacko....including my family. I have had many since then....tell me how right I was. It took 50 years for it to sink in with some folks.....and that's the tragedy.
Today you could replace communists with muslims and the Soviet Union with Saudi Arabia or muslim brotherhood.
Your first paragraph premise is wrong. I have been very certain that the US Government spies on everyone they can and has done so for at least a decade. So, one year ago I would of said that they spy on everyone, since the NSA has been collecting all electronic data that goes out over the air for 30 years. Only recently have they really begun to have the capability to analyze it in real time.
>>About ten years ago, FR was up in arms over ECHELON. The spying capabilities of the US govt were widely known then. It was discussed that they were monitoring phone calls for keywords such as bomb, assassinate, etc. Once the computer identified keywords, theyd pass the rest of the call on to a human for analysis.<<
I used to, heck I still do, call friends and say, “I just called to tell you about my new plans to assassinate the president of the local bird watching and comforter sewing groups. More than once we would hear the volume drop and a few extra clicks on the line as the electronics started recording the call. I figure if they have the money to spend recording our calls then have at it. Let me add to the work load.
I agree and remember how those libs were tripping over themselves talking about Jones. They sure changed tune when Dumbo got into office.
Echelon, I still remind my kids of that. Though they were barely adults back then and thought Dad was a nut case, they’ve slowly come around.
Here’s a link to an article that was linked through FR. “U.S. Echelon Snub Angers Europe
Steve Kettmann 05.18.01” http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2001/05/43921
Seems we’ve traveled a million miles since then, all in the wrong direction.
I’d prefer to still be considered a nut case by my kids.
When my son was in about 8th grade in 2004, he noted that his history teacher spent a week on Joe McCarthy. I asked him why he thought his school would teach about a senator from the 1950s. Even then my son knew the score. He said it was to make kids think that anyone who was worried about communism was nuts. — from the mouths of babes.
I should send this over to my extreme left wing mormon neighbors.
I can still remember the Clinton years and “Bubba the Love Sponge.”
We on the right understand the differences between conservative, paleoconservative, neoconservative, right-leaning libertarian, etc.
Conservatives like Buckley understood the difference between liberals, Fabian socialists, communists, etc.
Unfortunately it seems as if all of us "ists" have been played for fools. While those of us who attempt to have enough consistency in our philosophies continue to be frustrated in our hopes for a better future, the amoral pragmatists run the show for their own financial betterment.
It's a good thing that most people (liberals included) believe in some form of a free market so that the greed of others converts more readily into jobs and cheap products for the rest of us.
The second time that our combat forces took at break while the Ambassador of North Viet Nam went to DC for three weeks of “talks”, I knew something was up. An Intel friend told me that the VC and the NVA were out of ammunition and the three weeks was necessary to bring supplies in from Russia and China. That was when the lights went on and I decided that we were being lied to about the war.
I haven’t trusted a word that any politician has said since I was 21.
Conspiracies themselves are extremely common, and consist simply of two or more people in a communication loop to commit a crime, and can be as simple as two people knowingly cashing food stamps they aren’t entitled to, or as large as the Sinaloa cartel. Now someone outside the loop may suspect a crime involving two or more people, but may not have solid proof. There is your conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately the media, popular culture, and less than ethical people cashing in on the gullible (jones, coast to coast etc), have made the term “conspiracy theory” a dirty word, instead of just an observation made by people who can connect dots. Now are there BIG conspiracies involving nations, national security, and the wholesale takeover of society? Of course, we’re living in it, and one would be naive to think otherwise.
Liberals play word games, they will go to great lengths to point out how Obama doesn't fit the strictest definition of a marxist. No matter, he has a marxist foundation, he just puts it in a different package.
My thoughts exactly, alloy steel.
I have been annoyed for some time with the seeming fixation of people these days with “safety”.
Every newscast is loaded with stories about safety -— what laws are being proposed to “make you safer”; what products are being recalled because they might not be safe enough; how you should hide in the basement to be safe during a possible thunderstorm.
People no longer tell a departing guest “Good-bye”; now, it’s “Safe travels.”
We no longer wish each other a happy holiday ... It’s now, “Have a SAFE and happy holiday.”
I used to see the insurance industry’s hand in all this.
That might not be the case, though.
After all, how does a courageous (and, therefore, formidable) opposition arise from a populace that has been taught to value “safety” above all else?
Also, every police detective is a paid professional conspiracy theorist. It’s their friggen job.