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Are Conspiracy Theories Sometimes True?

Posted on 07/07/2013 9:57:25 AM PDT by pinochet

Often, when a Freeper proposes an idea that seems too crazy to be true, we totally dismiss him, and describe him as one who wears tin foil hats. One year ago, nobody would have believed that the American government spies on everyone. If someone had suggested such a thing last year, he would have been dismissed as a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist.

What other theories have respectable American conservatives dismissed in the past, that may be true? I keep thinking back to Robert Welch of the John Birch Society of the 1960s, who suggested that there exists a communist conspiracy among elites in academia, to indoctrinate American youth in communist ideas. According to this theory, American communists realized that they could not take over the devoutly Bible-Believing American nation of the 1950s, with an armed revolt. America had too many Bible-Believers with guns, and they could not take over America with an army like they did in Russia in 1917. They also could not teach directly from the books of Marx, Engels, or Lenin. The American Commies are supposed to have developed a clever means of injecting communist ideas whenever they talked about American history or society.

According to this theory, college graduates would enter government institutions and implement communist ideas, without realizing that those ideas are communist. Mainstream conservatives such as William F. Buckley excommunicated Robert Welch from the "respectable" conservative movement, and dismissed him as a nut. When you think of Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Van Jones, Gore, Patty Murray, Ginsburg, and all those other leftists in public office, did they end up that way by accident? What about those college graduates doing the Occupy Wall Street stuff? Is that also a coincidence?

Were the Birchers wrong about everything?


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When communism comes to America, it will have another name, but it will not be described as communism. Communism can only be called communism, if you teach directly from books by Marx, Engels and Lenin.

If you teach those same ideas without reference to Marx, Engels and Lenin, nobody will call it communism. But, hey, who wants to be called a Tin Foil Hat nutter?

1 posted on 07/07/2013 9:57:25 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Of course some are real and virtually all both true and untrue alike have a kernel of truth in them.

However its also important to note that some are promoted by our foreign and domestic enemies as a means of damaging us.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 10:01:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pinochet

If someone had described the Obama regime in detail during the GWB years, and told us that it would be upon us at the end of his term, that person would have been hooted off Free Republic with scorn and derision.


3 posted on 07/07/2013 10:03:37 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: pinochet

There was some crazy conspiracy a few years back. Something about a bunch of chaps in taverns plotting to overthrow the redcoats, some even tell it like they dressed up as injuns and threw a load of tea in the water.....

Of course conspiracies are sometimes true. One can never overthrow an entrenched power unless one starts planning in secret.


4 posted on 07/07/2013 10:03:49 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: pinochet

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Mr. John Nelson wrote on February 21, 1992 with the following exceptions:

DECLARATION OF CAUSE AND NECESSITY TO ABOLISH

AND

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5 posted on 07/07/2013 10:05:20 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: pinochet

Gibbs’ Rules #35 and #39.


6 posted on 07/07/2013 10:07:51 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Windflier

Well there were a few of us who were a little concerned with the patriot act....


7 posted on 07/07/2013 10:08:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: phockthis

“Are Conspiracy Theories Sometimes True?”
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Are true accounts sometimes classified as “conspiracy theories,”... and by whom?
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Semper Wondering!
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8 posted on 07/07/2013 10:09:24 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: pinochet

I have family members that remember the Birchers talking about just that. They also talked about how the FBI would take pictures of them after they came out of those meetings.


9 posted on 07/07/2013 10:10:05 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: pinochet

How soon we forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

About ten years ago, FR was up in arms over ECHELON. The spying capabilities of the US gov’t were widely known then. It was discussed that they were monitoring phone calls for ‘keywords’ such as bomb, assassinate, etc. Once the computer identified keywords, they’d pass the rest of the call on to a human for analysis.

For the last month, I’ve been rolling my eyes at the hysteria surrounding this NSA whistle-blower mess. This is all old news.

So why are we so shocked and shaken now? Why is this such a big deal? Is there any thinking person out there who could imagine a world with these technological capabilities that *wouldn’t* monitor everything? Are we really that naive?

And do any of us really believe that public outcry and constitutional court cases will actually shut this down?

All they’ll do (if they do anything) is publicly shut down the program, issue heartfelt statements of outrage, and then keep it going under another name/agency.

Big Brother is here.


10 posted on 07/07/2013 10:10:20 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: pinochet

Suggested reading

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning
Author: Jonah Goldberg


11 posted on 07/07/2013 10:11:08 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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To: pinochet

When I was a kid around 1957 I watched the news and believed everything they said.

I can distinctly remember wanting to take my .22 single shot and join the romantic Castro in Cuba.

There was a crazy right wing group called the John Birch Society who claimed he was secretly a Communist and was being aided secretly by the Soviet Union. When I say secretly, they would give Castro aid but it would not be AK-47s, it would be weapons like they could have gotten from the Cuban military or civilians.

Was the John Birch society just lucky that they guessed what was going on?

Was I and millions more being mislead by the media?


12 posted on 07/07/2013 10:11:30 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: pinochet

Some libs I know were big fans of Alex Jones when he was Truthin on Bush/Cheney.
Now that Alex is Truthin on the B0 administration, they consider him a dangerous nutjob.


13 posted on 07/07/2013 10:11:47 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: pinochet

TWA 800
Vince Foster
Monica Lewinsky


14 posted on 07/07/2013 10:12:56 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: pinochet

Sept. 11, 2011 - My personal tin foil hat post.

No one should have any reasonable expectation of privacy on the Information Superhighway. The Internet basically tracks and stores everything. Don’t believe me? Google your response in this tread in 15 minutes (it will indexed). Pay attention to the advertisements that are presented to you. Google “How to write a novel” and writing school ads will show up in banners and Facebook. Get in trouble with the law and every text, search, or picture viewed for the last several years is available to law enforcement. The price of using the Internet is your privacy, you have none.


15 posted on 07/07/2013 10:15:30 AM PDT by BushCountry (We Wanted a President That Listens to All Americans - Now We Have One!)
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To: yarddog

Its easy to manipulate the bulk of mankind. The media has been doing it for decades.


16 posted on 07/07/2013 10:17:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pinochet

Joe McCarthy, the Paul Revere of his day, warned us of the communist conspiracy. Yet he was ultimately destroyed by the media, which had already been infiltrated.
How about Nikita Kruschev pounding his shoe on his desk at the UN, proclaiming “we will bury you”. Again it was poo pooed, with the media giving him cover.

Today the MSM is overrun with socialists and commies as are the vast majority of educational institutions. Folks we have only ourselves to blame, as the current socialist regime exerts its control with nary a whimper.


17 posted on 07/07/2013 10:18:13 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: pinochet

Oh, and you can bet be we are being monitored here at Free Republic, and I’m not talking about our mods or those DU trolls either. I wonder what special operation name Big Sis has watching conservatives?


18 posted on 07/07/2013 10:18:22 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: wonkowasright

It ain’t paranoia if they really are picking on you....

There has been a largely unprovoked but sustained attack on most of the world I once knew, and expected to continue to be available to my old age and coming generations.

But any rights we used to enjoy have been severely truncated, or ignored altogether, with an ever-encroaching demand that subservience is the “highest good”. Oh, it is coached, at first, in making things “safer”, or “better”, for the individual, but as each facet of personal decision-making is given up, there is no recourse when the subject that has already been decided FOR you, proves to be not at all in personal best interests.

To dare to challenge the “new normal” is to risk being incarcerated, heavily fined, or worse. The name of that option is called “civil disobedience”, but ultimately, it is the last weapon of the desperate and those for whom all hope has been dashed.

The dawn of the “urban guerrilla” warfare against what was once the government to whom you had sworn allegiance, only to find they had changed all the rules while you slept.

Time for a “Redeclaration of Independence”. Shouldn’t be too hard to update the language.


19 posted on 07/07/2013 10:18:30 AM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: pinochet
Were the Birchers wrong about everything?

Were the Birchers wrong about anything?

20 posted on 07/07/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: yarddog

Makes you kinda wonder with all the anti-human crap the government does these days if they have been co-opted by another power without our species best interests in mind...


21 posted on 07/07/2013 10:21:44 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: pinochet

Other true conspiracies:

LBJ had JFK murdered.

TWA 800 was shot down.


22 posted on 07/07/2013 10:22:48 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: pinochet

23 posted on 07/07/2013 10:23:19 AM PDT by mirkwood
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To: pinochet

Mel Gibson would never have asked, “Which one?”... if they weren’t!

LLS


24 posted on 07/07/2013 10:23:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
We were warned.



(1966) Shocking Statement from Ezra Taft Benson, former Secretary of Agriculture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7LcplfkgY

Ezra Taft Benson, former Secretary of Agriculture in the Eisenhower Administration.


Ezra Taft Benson met with USSR's Nikkita Khrushchev in 1959 and relates this present day warning:


"As we talked face-to-face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under Communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his, and all other grandchildren, would live under freedom, he arrogantly declared, in substance:

'You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.' "

- Ezra Taft Benson "Our Immediate Responsibility." Devotional Address at Brigham Young University
25 posted on 07/07/2013 10:24:27 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: pinochet

The Birchers were correct about absolutely everything, I learned to my surprise when I began to research communism - more than twenty years ago - as a result of a trip to a communist country. That first trip led to many more trips - but what was always more shocking than the horrors of communism, was learning about the degree of penetration communism had - and still has - in our government and media.
I despise WFB - pompous patrician sell out - for marginalizing the only group that was telling the truth about what was going on.


26 posted on 07/07/2013 10:24:45 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: VitacoreVision

The last Indiana Jones movie had a very similar line, was the best part imo heh.


27 posted on 07/07/2013 10:25:49 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: pinochet

Are conspiracy theories real? Yeah, that’s what the early American Indian wondered.


28 posted on 07/07/2013 10:27:43 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: yarddog

Was I and millions more being mislead by the media?...Uhh, gee. I think we all have been from TET onward.


29 posted on 07/07/2013 10:28:00 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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Please Help keep FR Independent!!

30 posted on 07/07/2013 10:30:41 AM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: pinochet

Post-Cold War revelations show that the Birchers were right about the extraordinary depth and extent of communist spying and subversion against the United States and her allies. The Birchers though missed the point that much of the potency of Communism was due to the broad appeal of the Left’s ideas, which in turn are based on the view that mankind is perfectible through science and the effective application of government power. By focusing so intensely on communism, the Birchers forfeited ground in that larger intellectual and moral contest.


31 posted on 07/07/2013 10:32:51 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: pinochet
When I was a kid I had a "Bircher" bumper sticker that said, "Get US out of the United Nations and get the United Nations out of the U.S.!"

Everyone thought I was wacko....including my family. I have had many since then....tell me how right I was. It took 50 years for it to sink in with some folks.....and that's the tragedy.

32 posted on 07/07/2013 10:33:59 AM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: yarddog
There was a crazy right wing group called the John Birch Society who claimed he was secretly a Communist and was being aided secretly by the Soviet Union.

Today you could replace communists with muslims and the Soviet Union with Saudi Arabia or muslim brotherhood.

33 posted on 07/07/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: pinochet

Your first paragraph premise is wrong. I have been very certain that the US Government spies on everyone they can and has done so for at least a decade. So, one year ago I would of said that they spy on everyone, since the NSA has been collecting all electronic data that goes out over the air for 30 years. Only recently have they really begun to have the capability to analyze it in real time.


34 posted on 07/07/2013 10:35:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: dragonblustar
Half the people at Bircher meetings were FBI agents.
35 posted on 07/07/2013 10:36:27 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Marie

>>About ten years ago, FR was up in arms over ECHELON. The spying capabilities of the US gov’t were widely known then. It was discussed that they were monitoring phone calls for ‘keywords’ such as bomb, assassinate, etc. Once the computer identified keywords, they’d pass the rest of the call on to a human for analysis.<<

I used to, heck I still do, call friends and say, “I just called to tell you about my new plans to assassinate the president of the local bird watching and comforter sewing groups. More than once we would hear the volume drop and a few extra clicks on the line as the electronics started recording the call. I figure if they have the money to spend recording our calls then have at it. Let me add to the work load.


36 posted on 07/07/2013 10:36:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: SERKIT

37 posted on 07/07/2013 10:36:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Zuse
Now that Alex is Truthin on the B0 administration, they consider him a dangerous nutjob.

I agree and remember how those libs were tripping over themselves talking about Jones. They sure changed tune when Dumbo got into office.

38 posted on 07/07/2013 10:37:54 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: pinochet
Recommend reading a little about Cultural Hegemony and Antonio Gramsci.
39 posted on 07/07/2013 10:40:37 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Marie

Echelon, I still remind my kids of that. Though they were barely adults back then and thought Dad was a nut case, they’ve slowly come around.

Here’s a link to an article that was linked through FR. “U.S. Echelon Snub Angers Europe
Steve Kettmann 05.18.01” http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2001/05/43921

Seems we’ve traveled a million miles since then, all in the wrong direction.
I’d prefer to still be considered a nut case by my kids.


40 posted on 07/07/2013 10:41:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Diego1618

When my son was in about 8th grade in 2004, he noted that his history teacher spent a week on Joe McCarthy. I asked him why he thought his school would teach about a senator from the 1950s. Even then my son knew the score. He said it was to make kids think that anyone who was worried about communism was nuts. — from the mouths of babes.


41 posted on 07/07/2013 10:41:32 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: VitacoreVision
- Ezra Taft Benson "Our Immediate Responsibility." Devotional Address at Brigham Young University

I should send this over to my extreme left wing mormon neighbors.

42 posted on 07/07/2013 10:42:31 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Marie

I can still remember the Clinton years and “Bubba the Love Sponge.”


43 posted on 07/07/2013 10:43:28 AM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: pinochet
Liberalism and communism are two different ideologies. Welch was a nutter because he believed that all ideologies left of the moderate middle were either out-and-out communism or communism in disguise.

We on the right understand the differences between conservative, paleoconservative, neoconservative, right-leaning libertarian, etc.

Conservatives like Buckley understood the difference between liberals, Fabian socialists, communists, etc.

Unfortunately it seems as if all of us "ists" have been played for fools. While those of us who attempt to have enough consistency in our philosophies continue to be frustrated in our hopes for a better future, the amoral pragmatists run the show for their own financial betterment.

It's a good thing that most people (liberals included) believe in some form of a free market so that the greed of others converts more readily into jobs and cheap products for the rest of us.

44 posted on 07/07/2013 10:44:53 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Safetgiver

The second time that our combat forces took at break while the Ambassador of North Viet Nam went to DC for three weeks of “talks”, I knew something was up. An Intel friend told me that the VC and the NVA were out of ammunition and the three weeks was necessary to bring supplies in from Russia and China. That was when the lights went on and I decided that we were being lied to about the war.

I haven’t trusted a word that any politician has said since I was 21.


45 posted on 07/07/2013 10:48:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: pinochet

Conspiracies themselves are extremely common, and consist simply of two or more people in a communication loop to commit a crime, and can be as simple as two people knowingly cashing food stamps they aren’t entitled to, or as large as the Sinaloa cartel. Now someone outside the loop may suspect a crime involving two or more people, but may not have solid proof. There is your conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately the media, popular culture, and less than ethical people cashing in on the gullible (jones, coast to coast etc), have made the term “conspiracy theory” a dirty word, instead of just an observation made by people who can connect dots. Now are there BIG conspiracies involving nations, national security, and the wholesale takeover of society? Of course, we’re living in it, and one would be naive to think otherwise.


46 posted on 07/07/2013 10:50:34 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: pinochet
Most of the political conspiracies I've suspected have turned out to exist.

Liberals play word games, they will go to great lengths to point out how Obama doesn't fit the strictest definition of a marxist. No matter, he has a marxist foundation, he just puts it in a different package.

47 posted on 07/07/2013 10:52:32 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: alloysteel

My thoughts exactly, alloy steel.

I have been annoyed for some time with the seeming fixation of people these days with “safety”.

Every newscast is loaded with stories about safety -— what laws are being proposed to “make you safer”; what products are being recalled because they might not be safe enough; how you should hide in the basement to be safe during a possible thunderstorm.

People no longer tell a departing guest “Good-bye”; now, it’s “Safe travels.”

We no longer wish each other a happy holiday ... It’s now, “Have a SAFE and happy holiday.”

I used to see the insurance industry’s hand in all this.

That might not be the case, though.

After all, how does a courageous (and, therefore, formidable) opposition arise from a populace that has been taught to value “safety” above all else?

Just sayin’


48 posted on 07/07/2013 10:53:27 AM PDT by Walrus (America died on November 6, 2012 --- RIP)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
It would appear that Progressives have the same goals in mind as were outlined in the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx.

Just recently, Ted Cruz's Father called out Obama as a Socialist. He is just one of many that sees through the "progressive" label and sees the red inner core.

Ted Cruz's Father Delivers Epic Speech Touting Patriotism and Lambasting Obama’s ‘Socialist’ Inclinations
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/06/ted-cruzs-father-delivers-epic-speech-touting-patriotism-and-lambasting-obamas-socialist-inclinations/


49 posted on 07/07/2013 10:57:57 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: SpaceBar

Also, every police detective is a paid professional conspiracy theorist. It’s their friggen job.


50 posted on 07/07/2013 11:03:49 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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