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Former President George W. Bush hails push for comprehensive immigration reform
NY Post ^ | 7/7/13 | S.A. MILLER

Posted on 07/07/2013 11:01:39 AM PDT by jimbo123

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To: SoFloFreeper

I liked Bush’s first term. Second one? Not so much. He disarmed conservative arguments and reasons for voting republican. We couldn’t justify it. And it all started with this immigration crap if you remember. That is when the downhill slide began. Lost congress, then we lost the presidency. I mean, we ran John McCain in the most crucial election this country ever had.


101 posted on 07/07/2013 7:13:26 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: jimbo123

El Presidente Jorge Arbusto may have been the worst Presidente on illegals ever. Even including the current usurper.


102 posted on 07/07/2013 7:34:25 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Jeff Chandler

Just more proof that we haven’t a Republican party since 1989 when Reagan left office. We have Democrat 1 and Democrat 2 which is why the country has gone to hell and will only get worse until a 3rd party fights back.


103 posted on 07/07/2013 8:09:15 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Mamzelle

Jesus, another “women are to blame for everything EVIL in America” post.

Shut up Goat humper.


104 posted on 07/07/2013 8:18:38 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The global ruling class elite are all for the New World Order because they are planning on being on top of all the peasants.

There are some things just beyond my comprehension. It's abundantly clear that Conservatives and business should be on the same side since common foes are peaceniks, an intrusive government, liberalism, Occupy Wall Steet, homosexuality, abortion, high taxes, muzzies, regulations, unions and the minimum wage.

Yet why does the business community break with real Conservatives on this vital issue? It's in business' best interest to have secure borders and prosperous Americans. Otherwise good people and organization such as Bob Perry (homebuilder and the key player in the Swift Boat Veterans) and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce seek to destroy America by granting criminal invaders amnesty.

From my perspective, Conservatives are on the side of pro-growth, free enterprise and capitalism. Yet, the business community spurns the people who support them. It's a real and ultimately dangerous disconnect. Business is siding with the wrong people by embracing the lowlifes of the 47%.

105 posted on 07/07/2013 8:20:36 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: sagar
My post is *about* class warfare--the warfare of the lazy rich BREAKING THE LAW (in capitals since you missed that essential point)--because they don't want to pay an honest wage for a lawful resident or citizen to work. IMO, the rightful punishment would be to scrub a lot of toilets.

Search up "Bush White House Immigrant Servant Scottie the dog"--where the Bush family got all sentimental about the pooper scooping flunky, but when asked about her immigration status, they refused to answer. Should be around 2007.

106 posted on 07/07/2013 8:26:30 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Shadowstrike

So you’re a Marine, eh? Yeah, right.


107 posted on 07/07/2013 8:28:07 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: jimbo123
“The legislative process can be ugly,” Bush said with a chuckle in an interview aired today on ABC’s “This Week.”

Yeah, Dubya, real f*n funny. This is real or a parody? Tell me that idiot didn't really say this.

108 posted on 07/07/2013 8:32:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Williams
In 2000 Gore looked bad, and after 9/11 I was sure we were blessed to have W instead of AlGore. Looking back with the wisdom of hindsight, and the imminent total collapse of W's autistic foreign adventures before us, I take it back.

We would have been better off in the long run with Gore2000 than with Bush. After four years of Gore's psychotic excesses, which could hardly have turned out worse than the Bush fiascoes, we could have elected a serious adult in 2004.

109 posted on 07/07/2013 8:41:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

What enabled McCain and Romney and other RINO candidates in other GOP primaries is the splitting of conservative votes by having multiple challengers talking conservative.

This is done by the GOP-E to enable the RINO to win the primary.

I support two conservative candidates running with one in the GOP primary and the other in the general as a third party if the RINO wins the primary.


110 posted on 07/07/2013 8:45:00 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: hinckley buzzard
We would have been better off in the long run with Gore2000 than with Bush.

I think everyone here can agree that although 9/11 happened during the Bush presidency, albeit just a few months in, the stage for the act itself was due to Klintoon and his liberal cabal of incompetents. Bush, Cheney and the entire administration acted with courage and wisdom in its aftermath. In short, I see 9/11 as another Klintoon monstrosity that George W. Bush cleaned up.

As for the limp-wristed Gore, 9/11 would have been egregiously mishandled. He would have shown weakness by apologizing and dithering. There would have been unspeakable destruction on 9/12, with Chicago and Los Angeles attacked. Further attacks would have occurred in the days after both on domestic sites and overseas where our military has presence. I have real doubts that America as it know it would have survived into October 2011 under an ineffectual, anti-military Gore regime.

111 posted on 07/07/2013 8:53:34 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: servantboy777

I don’t think politics is the most important thing,
but when it comes to politics there is nothing wrong with a third party that incorporates religious conservatives and secular libertarians and says there is a place for the views of both to be respected and not be persecuted or prosecuted.

A party that is against big government, pro-business but anti crony capitalist (businesses that conspire with government to gain an advantage) and says no to amnesty for illegals and no to spying on every American. That spying is now supported by both parties.


112 posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:38 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: jimbo123
Former President George W. Bush today cheered on the “progress” in pushing comprehensive immigration reform through Congress.

F__kin' dumber than dirt, doofus GW Bush! Still doing everything he can to destroy the Repub party after 8 years of pandering to the RAT bastard democRATs and the muzzies. GO AWAY YOU POS!!!

113 posted on 07/07/2013 9:52:30 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: vette6387
Why, oh why, did we ever elect this a$$hole? The only justification was that his opponents were worse, but that’s no excuse for the Republicans running this turd! He was a lousy president, and I hate to admit that those who said he was “not bright” were right. Finally, through his inactions ( he was essentially a one issue president, the war, and he failed at that) he handed the presidency to a Maxist half-breed! Way to go GOPe! And to think I sat up nights worrying that he might loose, both times.

Great comments & worth repeating. What an a$$Hole! I despise GW Bush only a smidgeon less than 0dumb0shit! Pretty much everything that 0dumb0 is doing to destroy our freedoms & our formerly once great nation, was initiated & set in place by socialist-lite, dumber than dirt doofus GW Bush!

114 posted on 07/07/2013 10:07:38 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Pollster1
Still, if we will do the heavy lifting on our own, I suspect He will make sure that is enough. God wants us to be free . . . if we are willing to earn it.

I just hope it won't take 430 years, like it did for God to hear the cries of the nation of Israel & to throw off the yoke of Egyptian bondage and then spend another 40 years wandering in the wilderness of Sin. I don't think I can last that long! LOL!

115 posted on 07/07/2013 10:23:22 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: jimbo123

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Executive summary: Wife of Florida governor Jeb Bush

- In June 1999 Columba Bush was thwarted at Altanta International Airport attempting to smuggle $19,000 in French clothing and jewelry into the United States without declaring the purchases.

- Despite the fact that the U.S. customs officers gave her two opportunities to amend the form, Bush declined. Then they found the receipts in her purse. Bush wrote a check for $4,100 to cover the fine (three times the duty amount) and went on her way.

- A few days later she claimed her crime had been entirely “inadvertent”, calling it “an awful mistake” and declaring:

“It’s an “accident” and I regret it with all my heart that I got caught.”

Father: Jose Maria Garnica
Mother: Josefina Gallo
Brother: Francisco
Sister: Lucila
Husband: Jeb Bush (m. 23-Feb-1974)
Son: George Prescott Bush
Daughter: Noelle “Snort” Bush
Son: Jebby Bush (b. 13-Dec-1983)
    High School: León, Guanajuato, Mexico
    Drug Free America Foundation Advisory Board
    W Stands for Women 2004
    Naturalized US Citizen 1987
    Bush Family
    Mexican Ancestry

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116 posted on 07/07/2013 11:25:14 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: jimbo123

That’s too bad. I was hoping that he would have noticed those of us who left the party BECAUSE of his push for immigration “reform.”


117 posted on 07/07/2013 11:31:49 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (To the GOPe ~ Chickens...comin' home...to roost!)
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To: jimbo123

LISTEN! Single party rule...


118 posted on 07/07/2013 11:39:57 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: jimbo123

Lol

You could have been banned over criticizing Saint George here over this years back.....and many were

Man....times change

I haven’t


119 posted on 07/08/2013 1:15:54 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: dragnet2
Who’s we? We? Don’t include me in your corrupt political party.

I'd be happy to hijack the Republican Party from the corrupt insiders who control far too much of that party today, and I know we could do it. I'd be happy to hijack the Democrat Party from the union thugs, the communists, the NAMBLA perverts, and the parasites who control it today, but we would fail if we tried.

"We" is Americans. As Americans, we have a moral obligation to pass on a free country to the next generation, just as our parents and grandparents did for us. I also, like many on FR, voluntarily took an oath. That oath, to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic", adds an additional moral responsibility. If that oath means we have to take the Republican Party back from those who control it today, I don't think that is too much to ask.

120 posted on 07/08/2013 3:07:46 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: wardaddy
Lol
You could have been banned over criticizing Saint George here over this years back.....and many were
Man....times change
I haven’t

I, on the other hand, believe whatever it is the last person tells me.

AND I WILL STAND FAST IN THAT TRUTH!

121 posted on 07/08/2013 4:03:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If illegal aliens voted (R), then the Dems would create the tightest border security in the world.)
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STAY OUT OF THE BUSHES

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HY92H8Qffd0/UH7ccro4x7I/AAAAAAAADZM/4ASN65EH16I/s1600/1958_corvette_convertible.jpeg?800x600"


122 posted on 07/08/2013 4:39:34 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: sand88

I am beyond sick of these entitled nuts .
These Bushes need to go back to the country clubs and stay there.


123 posted on 07/08/2013 4:46:38 AM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: CatherineofAragon

He was a good governor, president , ehh....


124 posted on 07/08/2013 6:22:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Dallas59
Your alternative was Gore or Skerry.

Do you think either of these two could have shoved the Patriot act, TSA and drug entitlements through the R dominated house and senate? The lesser of two evils argument is is a dead horse, please stop beating it.

125 posted on 07/08/2013 6:58:44 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"The global ruling class elite are all for the New World Order"

During the Bush admin., just as in the present, the vision seems to be a borderless "United States", with gated communities for the ruling elite.

Pretty much the same as Mexico and other 3rd world hell holes.
126 posted on 07/08/2013 7:34:23 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: jimbo123

Mainly lurking and reading these threads a few years ago, I remember when it was then “Jorge Bush”, with photos too. Funny stuff.


127 posted on 07/08/2013 8:38:55 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: rcrngroup

“I despise GW Bush only a smidgeon less than 0dumb0shit! “

And you can add in Daddy and Jeb too. Daddy was a CFR “devotee.” No more Bushes!!!


128 posted on 07/08/2013 9:48:28 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Mamzelle

I always felt that Bush wanted sooooo much to be ‘liked’, that he bent over backwards (to Kennedy), to hiring (Paulson - a Rat at Treasury)... and to the Arabs (Iraq invasion was conducted in a ‘politically-correct’ fashion with the least amount of ground forces possible, that’s why the borders were porous and the insurgency took hold and the ‘surge’ was needed later).

The guy was never nothing more than a well-connected clueless politically-correct make-believe-conservative. Just like his entire family.

Back in the old days, they would’ve been Kennedy Democrats.


129 posted on 07/08/2013 11:06:59 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: CatherineofAragon; Georgia Girl 2

Me too


131 posted on 07/08/2013 12:54:15 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: jimbo123

FUGWB!!!

Go away damn it!


132 posted on 07/08/2013 1:26:10 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: jimbo123

Is this a surprise to anybody? Bush supported “immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty) to the same tune as McCain and Kennedy while in office. Why would we expect anything different or better from him now? Brother Jeb is even worse on this issue, and it looks as though he’s worming his way to the 2016 GOP ticket.


133 posted on 07/08/2013 2:10:17 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: jimbo123

I tried to post the Rick Perry announcement that he won’t run in 2012. I wouldn’t post. This must make GWB pleased because he never had respect for Perry.


134 posted on 07/08/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Pollster1

The American people in both parties are incapable of correcting any of this.


135 posted on 07/08/2013 4:10:57 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.
I meant to say that he won't run in 2014, but I couldn't make the article post. It is in Houston Chronicle among other outlets.
136 posted on 07/08/2013 4:11:46 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: CatherineofAragon
That's a point. But aren't you wasting time typing when you could be making babies?

What a stupid non-reply that doesn't refute anything. Not that I'm surprised by that.

You do seem to be a bit sympathetic to the amnesty push, then. Not surprising.

What part of "I agree that they should stop (a)mnesty" don't you understand?

Which is no reason to throw open the gates and welcome tens of millions of Democrat voters along with their extended families.

See above.

Yes, you've posted this before. But it doesn't change the cold fact that Hispanics elect Democrats.

How do you know I'm not one, hmmmm?

Calm down. How many Republicans mouth conservative platitudes and then show their stripes once they get into office? It might take less time to make a list of those who don't. My governor, Bob McDonnell, is a perfect example. He ran on no new taxes, but just recently gave us the largest tax increase in Virgnia history.

There's more to that than you posted. Yes, he flip flopped, but only after running out of options. More here.

And then there are the moderate/liberal GOP scum who do their best to stifle and shut down every truly conservative candidate who makes it to Washington.

Elected by their...

Oh what's the point, when you can't understand that concept?

LOL, and you still don't get it. If Republicans support amnesty, sodomite marriage, and everything else the left does, there is no greater evil. They are the same. Can you demontrate how they would be different? If your party supports queer marriage, amnesty, etc., there is no greater evil. In supporting that, you support evil and help further it.

You attack me for saying that we have RINOs because that's who the voters are electing, then choose to ignore that when pointing this out.

As I have said, there is only one solution, and that is to win Americans over to Conservative values.

By awarding amnesty, right? Why not just come out and say it.

Because it would contradict my statement that they should stop amnesty.

The increasingly leftward GOP is not my idea of "succeeding."

Agree, it's my idea of failing to win Americans over to Conservative values.

That hunk of plastic probably has a better grip on reality than you.

What part of "we have to win Americans over to Conservative values if we're going to get Conservatives elected again" do you say is wrong?

137 posted on 07/08/2013 4:37:43 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: sand88
It is because over the decades the GOPe worked with the RATs to have open primaries, allowing RATS to help push GOPe Statists to the front.

And your statistics to show the impact of that are? NEVER again will I vote for a RINO. I have drawn a line in the sand that will never be crossed.

1992. Clinton. 2016. Clinton. Enough said.

Our Republic is being destroyed by the RATs and the GOPe pukes.

So what are you going to do to convince voters to vote for real Conservatives?

I mean, besides ask me if I'm Karl Rove?

Conservatives need to view the GOPe and RATs as equal enemies.

So we shouldn't support Conservatives like Bachmann, Haley, and others? Instead, we should take our votes from them and allow the middle to elect RINOs? That's your great plan for fixing this mess?

(From another post) You don't belong on this site if you think "the voters are going hard left" That's a disgusting comment.

2006. 2008. 2012.

138 posted on 07/08/2013 4:37:50 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: sand88
Jim, get a good laugh at this comment! What a nutty comment. Is that you Rove? If you don't believe the GOPe doesn't exist then you are either a GOPe statist operative yourself or naive beyond words.

I'm wondering how you can get "I'm Karl Rove" out of "We need to win Americans over to Conservative values if we're going to get Conservatives elected again."

139 posted on 07/08/2013 4:37:58 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hope you’re not buying sand88’s spin on my posts.


140 posted on 07/08/2013 4:39:24 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Nextrush
What enabled McCain and Romney and other RINO candidates in other GOP primaries is the splitting of conservative votes by having multiple challengers talking conservative. This is done by the GOP-E to enable the RINO to win the primary.

I remember 2012. Bachmann was winning, only to gaffe herself out of contention. Then, Cain was winning, but he either couldn't control himself or folded under easily refuted false charges. None of the others were a factor.

Once it came down to Romney and Newt, we all supported Newt as the last Conservative standing, and Romney still clobbered him. Of course, we later found that Newt wasn't so Conservative anyway, much to the amusement of those who warned us about him.

And in 2008, McCain clobbered everybody. Except Obama.

The point is, the "GOPe" had nothing to do with any of this.

I support two conservative candidates running with one in the GOP primary and the other in the general as a third party if the RINO wins the primary.

And how do you plan to enforce that?

141 posted on 07/08/2013 5:15:08 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

The two conservative candidates idea I think is good because it sends the RINO’s the message they can’t win so they should back off.

They can derail one in the primary with vote splitting candidates or smear tactics or whatever, but the third candidate is the next one to overcome with votes now split so the RINO loses the general.

I’m not trying to enforce anything, just giving local grassroots conservatives an idea to consider using in their local situations.


142 posted on 07/08/2013 5:21:41 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

I would like to limit the choices to two or more Conservatives and no RINOs, but unless we can convince voters to support Conservative candidates, I don’t see how that will happen.


143 posted on 07/08/2013 5:28:58 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Mamzelle

I’ve proved myself to my Country, I don’t have to prove myself to you.


144 posted on 07/08/2013 8:27:52 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Too late. You already have.


145 posted on 07/08/2013 8:30:58 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: LibFreeUSA

I saw his little speech this week—maudlin and mealy-mouthed and full of spin and obfuscation. He’s been BOUGHT. I remember when Laura was trying to raise money for his precious library. I sent one of those Bush pesos that circulated around FR years ago. On her stamp...


146 posted on 07/08/2013 8:33:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

as did you.


147 posted on 07/08/2013 8:35:15 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Bryan24

Our tolerance for debt-based welfare to immigrants is equal to our tolerance for the debt that we are willing to pass onto our children and grandchildren.

Reduce our tolerance for debt-based Federal Programs, and our tolerance for immigration will also be reduced.

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Our Southern Border is under the control of Mexican Drug Gangs. An illegal attempt by AG Holder to challenge their grip failed with Fast and Furious.

Obama has allowed INS officials to increase the number of “got-aways” and to decrease the number of illegal alien invaders actually caught.

Gullible News outlets, such as The Wall Street Journal routinely run articles quoting Obamanation statistics that numbers of captured illegal alien invaders are down, and thus there is no such thing as the surge of illegal alien invaders from Mexico and other Southern Hemisphere Socialist Countries.

Most News outlets refuse to come to our Southern Border to document their obviously false assertions.

Most State Politicians cower when our sorry NINE SUPREMES dictate that the State has no authority to protect itself from illegal alien invaders.

As long as THE NINE SUPREMES have 4 Socialist Judges, there will always be a high risk that some gullible Judge from the Majority will cross over to the dark side and continue the destruction of our US Constitution as the signature accomplishment of the US Welfare State. Traitor John Roberts’ support of Obama’care’ is the most horrific example.

Thus, it is incumbent upon those of us who still value the US Constitution to oppose the dark side, what we now call Obamanation.

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The purpose of passing a Federal “reform” immigration bill this year is to allow illegal alien invaders from Mexico, and other Central and South American Socialist Countries, to vote for Socialist-Democrats and appeasing RINOs in the 2014 and 2016 USA National Elections for more debt-generating welfare to future illegal alien invaders to become future Socialist-Democrat voters.

These future Socialist-Democrat voters should be called “McCain-Rubio Democrats,” as no other Senators have done more to encourage gullible RINOs to appease and otherwise cave-in to debt-dependent Democrats than these two sorry RINO Senators.

Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag!

It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation!

For example:

While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to “get a bill passed this year,” nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA.

The Basic Problem: Illegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages.

Solutions that address the Basic Problem:

1.) End the Anchor Baby Law.

2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA).

3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens.

4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien.

5.) Spend NO money on “securing the border.” It is a bottomless money pit.

6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once.

7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and thus under the control of the Governor of each State. The less Federal involvement, the better.

8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever.

9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Ted Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement.

Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!

It is all about the money FReepers, YOUR tax money.


148 posted on 07/08/2013 8:39:09 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Back atcha, you phony


149 posted on 07/08/2013 8:42:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: re_nortex
Bush, Cheney and the entire administration acted with courage and wisdom in its aftermath.

There are a couple of threads about FISA, Snowden, and the Patriot Act, that you might want to check out.

150 posted on 07/08/2013 9:00:17 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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