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Hope fading for 40 missing in Quebec train disaster, officials confirm five dead
National Post ^ | July 7, 2013 | Graeme Hamilton

Posted on 07/07/2013 3:19:54 PM PDT by Squawk 8888

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To: woodbutcher1963

Economics would seem to dictate that you don’t park it. Switch out the crew in a few minutes and be on your way.


61 posted on 07/08/2013 7:35:38 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2; Squawk 8888
UPDATE from 'National Post':

Lots more at the site.

I also found some telling info about the brakes on these trains - you HAVE to have a running engine to maintain the air-brakes. Truck air-brakes are spring driven - they lock ON without any air pressure. Train brakes have no springs, and must be secured by hand without an engine.

This is from GTAFF in NP's Comment section:

Prayers up for the dead and missing, and God bless and succor their relatives and friends.

62 posted on 07/08/2013 4:29:06 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Thnx.

"The MMA employees “inspected the train with us,” he said. “MMA told the leading fire officer that everything was okay, the fire was out, everything was secure, you guys can leave.”

The locomotive’s power remained shut off, and the fire officer advised the railway employees that it could not be moved until the ruptured line was repaired.

“When we left, there was a police officer and two employees of MMA [at the scene],” he said."

Seems like the MMA should'a cut out the damaged unit (especially if it was the lead unit) and set it out. Put on the manual brakes on more cars than were already set. And sent out a repair crew or had the morning engineer tack the dead unit on the back.

So, slightly more info is needed, but it does sound like MMA's fault. Completely.

63 posted on 07/08/2013 5:45:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: headstamp 2

The anti-fracking crowd. The oil came from ND Brakken oil shale field— it was from fracking. If this is green terrorism they weren’t concerned about the “environmental” impact on a town like they seem to be about the ground water.
But then, back in the day (and still) these nasty people put spikes into trees to injure/kill loggers. So the forest can be “preserved” for... no one.


64 posted on 07/08/2013 7:04:43 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Paladin2
If someone stripped those idiots of everything in their lives that comes from oil and gas, they'd likely be running barefoot and naked through the snow, eagerly increasing their 'carbon footprint' by burning their beloved trees to keep warm.

It isn't the fault of the drillers, nor the frac crews, nor the people who decided to ship light sweet crude by rail to refineries which would otherwise be importing their oil by tanker or barge, possibly from countries who are pals with AlQaida, and getting that oil a little cheaper than shipping it in from elsewhere.

Someone, something failed and wrecked the train. If people had an inkling of the hazardous substances which travel by rail, usually safely, most of them would have an underwear wrecking moment. Overall, safety records are pretty darned good, considering the tonnage carried and the miles traveled.

Those who blame the absence of the Keystone pipeline don't realize that the pipeline won't go East, it goes from north to south. The biggest reason trains are being used is that oil can get to refineries which might not have access to those feedstocks otherwise, and would be importing Arab Light or Brent instead of using North American (quite possibly Bakken/Three Forks) crude.

I can only offer my prayers for those who have lost their relatives, lives, or property,

65 posted on 07/08/2013 9:41:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Paladin2
There are two ways to shut down the fifth unit: There’s an emergency lever on the outside of the locomotive that anyone wandering by could access. Or, there are a number of levers and buttons inside the unlocked cabin. Both means were used, said Burkhardt."

At best someone screwed up, at worst, mass murder.

Enviroterrorists?

66 posted on 07/08/2013 9:44:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: cripplecreek
Folks need to think long and hard about moving oil and gas by rail through populated areas.

I suppose you could always haul it by truck (as most of the crude loaded on rail cars is, before it is loaded on the train).

67 posted on 07/08/2013 9:47:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: brityank

Note remote control "caboose".

68 posted on 07/09/2013 6:20:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
This skyshot shows the layout of the tank cars just after most of the fires are out. The "remote control caboose" is among the five cars at the upper left. There are three tracks running out of the pile-up, and one coming in at the bottom, indicating the switch point contributing to the derailment.

Overview

What I haven't seen yet is an over view or skyshot showing where the engines and any attached cars ended up, and why. The story is that they stopped a couple of clicks prior to the entry to the town.

69 posted on 07/09/2013 7:56:53 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
"The story is that they stopped a couple of clicks prior to the entry to the town. "

I think that is clearly wrong. My guess is that the locos (incl the "caboose" ) and likely some tank cars made it through the switches, brakes to a stop on an up-rise and are south and east of town.

There's on the order of 50 tank cars in the pileup. Nine to 13 that were pulled off the rear of the train and taken back west yesterday. That would leave ~10 tank cars still with the locos.

The press has really mangled the story of where all the parts of the train ended up.

70 posted on 07/09/2013 8:46:15 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
The press has really mangled the story of where all the parts of the train ended up.

On that I agree fully! Along with all the folks who mistakenly thing train air-brakes are the same as truck air-brakes, discounting the lack of springs and assuming the air cylinders don't leak. I saw they have the "black boxes" for the units, so hopefully they will give a better indication of this debacle - assuming they function after the loco power goes out.

Many thanks for the links and information.       :^)

71 posted on 07/09/2013 10:07:41 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Here ya go (it seems that (finally) physics rulz among "journalists".):

"1:14 a.m. -- Train derails in Lac-Megantic. The locomotive detaches and continues through town for about a kilometre. (Well, it's any number of locos plus the remote control caboose. ) (pics show NO tank cars on the stern of the last loco.) Residents report a series of explosions, with fireballs shooting into the sky and a wall of flames pounding the town. The downtown core is eviscerated, with a bustling bar, the library, and a cherished waterside park among the dozens of structures destroyed."

72 posted on 07/09/2013 10:38:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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