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Asiana says pilot of crashed plane was in training
Reuters ^ | July 7, 2013 | by Hyunjoo Jin

Posted on 07/07/2013 8:19:47 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Asiana Airlines Inc said the pilot in charge of landing the Boeing 777 that crash-landed at San Francisco's airport on Saturday was training for the long-range plane and that it was his first flight to the airport with the jet.

"It was Lee Kang-kook's maiden flight to the airport with the jet... He was in training. Even a veteran gets training (for a new jet)," a spokeswoman for Asiana Airlines said on Monday.

"He has a lot of experience and previously flown to San Francisco on different planes including the B747... and he was assisted by another pilot who has more experience with the 777," the spokeswoman said.

Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet.

Co-pilot Lee Jeong-min, who has 3,220 hours of flying experience with the Boeing 777 and a total of 12,387 hours of flying experience, was helping Lee Kang-kook in the landing, the spokeswoman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 777; airplanecrash; asiana; asiana214; fl214; flight214; sanfranciscocrash; sfo
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1 posted on 07/07/2013 8:19:47 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Asiana Airlines Inc said the pilot in charge of landing the Boeing 777 that crash-landed at San Francisco's airport on Saturday was training for the long-range plane and that it was his first flight to the airport with the jet.

Yikes!

2 posted on 07/07/2013 8:20:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, hopefully he doesn’t return to the cockpit. He failed.


3 posted on 07/07/2013 8:21:36 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Passengers should be notified before they board

that they will be passengers in a Driver`s Ed class.

4 posted on 07/07/2013 8:23:47 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Who was the Pilot in Command?


5 posted on 07/07/2013 8:24:32 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Costly lesson.


6 posted on 07/07/2013 8:24:42 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I understand that pilots need experience that is how they learn how to be pilots, but the co-pilot, he supposedly knew what he was doing..what the hell was he doing the entire time, just sitting there like a bump on a log


7 posted on 07/07/2013 8:25:58 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: moviefan8

I don’t think he’ll even qualify to be a taxi driver after this..


8 posted on 07/07/2013 8:26:01 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well I suppose he’s going to lose points for that landing.


9 posted on 07/07/2013 8:26:50 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ruh-Roh.


10 posted on 07/07/2013 8:27:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bunkerhill7

So are you willing to spend a $100-$200 more per ticket to allow airlines to fly around empty airplanes to all the airports they fly to so that pilots can build up what you consider sufficient hours in a given aircraft landing at given airports?


11 posted on 07/07/2013 8:27:52 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Consider: The co-pilot, with significantly more B777 experience, did not challenge the captain’s throttle settings, airspeed or anything. The captain was allowed to save face, all the way to impact.


12 posted on 07/07/2013 8:28:23 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: TADSLOS

that would be the senior pilot. not the guy who made the worm-burner.


13 posted on 07/07/2013 8:28:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If so, he assumes primary responsibility for the mishap. Comes with the designation.


14 posted on 07/07/2013 8:30:02 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: tpmintx

Both should be fired and sent to jail.


15 posted on 07/07/2013 8:30:15 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: tpmintx
Consider: The co-pilot, with significantly more B777 experience, did not challenge the captain’s throttle settings, airspeed or anything. The captain was allowed to save face, all the way to impact.

And the "co-pilot" would certainly have been a more senior captain who outranked the pilot in the captain's seat, which makes it even stranger.

16 posted on 07/07/2013 8:31:37 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Similar scenario in the cockpit of the Air France flight that went down over the South Atlantic several years ago. In this instance it wasn't an approach landing but at 30, 000 ft. plus when the aircraft went thru a thunderstorm. Captain was taking a short rest break and inexperienced pilot lost control.
17 posted on 07/07/2013 8:31:50 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CRM failure then? The co-pilot / trainer deferring to the pilot, not wanting to correct his superior?


18 posted on 07/07/2013 8:32:09 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: tpmintx

That’s what it looks like. Don’t embarrass your superior on his first trip in the big-boy seat. If they were conversing in Korean, we’ll never know what cultural codewords and timidly understated observations and face-saving euphemisms were going back and forth in that cockpit.


19 posted on 07/07/2013 8:32:58 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Jeez!Admitting guilt unheard of.
Well their goes another airline.


20 posted on 07/07/2013 8:34:25 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It will take 18 months to conclude pilot error.


21 posted on 07/07/2013 8:34:32 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: moviefan8
Both should be fired and sent to jail.

Thank you. I'll make sure the proper authorities follow this recommendation.

22 posted on 07/07/2013 8:34:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why did they release the pilot’s name? Good grief.


23 posted on 07/07/2013 8:35:36 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wasn’t the chief pilot monitoring his approach? When all the system alarms was telling him he’s too low and too slow why didn’t the chief pilot take over? You don’t do a check ride with a full load of passengers.


24 posted on 07/07/2013 8:36:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I suspected as much, as this seems like a very basic pilot error. Now the question is how well were the pilots trained at that airline? Do they really know how to fly an airplane, or are they taught to enter numbers into a flight computer?


25 posted on 07/07/2013 8:41:04 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Strategerist
That`s how they train bus drivers in Oakland, California yup

on first trips in a new bus they hardly know how to drive. yupo

. 777 appears to be nothing but a big BUS with a couple bus drivers- ,

That`s why they call these jumbos AIRBUS

26 posted on 07/07/2013 8:43:05 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: GSP.FAN
Jeez!Admitting guilt unheard of.

It would appear that the trial lawyers have not yet instilled in South Korea the proper fear of truthful statements. I am certain they will learn.

27 posted on 07/07/2013 8:43:16 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Guess he failed the final exam.....?


28 posted on 07/07/2013 8:44:25 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I see a lot of mindless speculation and jumping to conclusions on this thread.
Every pilot has a first time for landing at ANY airport.
Everyone, including FReepers, should calm down until an official investigation is complete. Remember, news reports are, more often then not, full of inaccuracies or total misinformation.
Remember the old adage “Better to be thought a fool, then to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.


29 posted on 07/07/2013 8:46:37 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Thank you.

Perhaps you should repeat here what you know about this airline’s reputation.


30 posted on 07/07/2013 8:47:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CNN has a bit more info:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/plane-crash-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

“The pilot, Lee Kang-gook, had flown from Seoul to the city several times between 1999 and 2004, the airline said.”

In other words he had not flown to SF for the past 10 years and didn’t have experience with a Boeing 777 (just 43 hrs). It turned out to be a lethal combination.


31 posted on 07/07/2013 8:49:33 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: xjcsa

If they were both Captain Lee perhaps they confused themselves.


32 posted on 07/07/2013 8:50:00 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Revolting cat!

“Perhaps you should repeat here what you know about this airline’s reputation.”
_____________________________________________
One can go to Skytrax for the ratings of all airlines in the world. Asiana is one of only seven airlines with five stars.
By the way, NO American carrier rates above three stars.
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/asiana.htm


33 posted on 07/07/2013 8:54:13 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pilots with gray hair or no hair are very preferable when you happen to be a passenger.

Actually this goes the same for many professions...


34 posted on 07/07/2013 8:54:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GSP.FAN

Not so sure they aren’t doing the right thing, being up front with information that will come out in the investigation anyway. Tell the truth and tell it early, I have great sympathy for the passengers and the families of those who died, but it is refreshing for a company to be honest and forthright from the beginning.


35 posted on 07/07/2013 8:59:03 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: AlexW

Well, based on evidence so far, including physical, debris trails, impact marks, witness statements and video, it appears this pilot and those in the cockpit, totally screwed up...

Too slow, too low, and way too short.


36 posted on 07/07/2013 8:59:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TADSLOS
IIRC if the new captain for new equipment (or commercial aircraft) passed both simulator and check rides, dispatched for flight as pilot-in-command, a senior administrative pilot stays in the cockpit during the flight as observer only.  I didn't know a major airport like San Francisco international airport turn off the ILS at all.  Was the PAPI in use at that time?

I wonder if this video has something to do with the disaster? http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/series/802/air-disasters/141884/bad-attitude
37 posted on 07/07/2013 9:01:49 PM PDT by hamboy
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Pilots gotta train!

I feel sorry for the guy.

I wonder what was up with the co-pilot??
(is his responsibility, with a trainee)


38 posted on 07/07/2013 9:02:41 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: 9YearLurker
If they were both Captain Lee perhaps they confused themselves.

Hard to Lee!

39 posted on 07/07/2013 9:05:21 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: 9YearLurker

I hope neither of the pilots was named Roger!


40 posted on 07/07/2013 9:06:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Great ... Airlines tell you what type of aircraft you are flying when you make the reservation - I wonder if they are gonna start telling you about the pilots' qualifications ...
41 posted on 07/07/2013 9:10:58 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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“has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet”

Asiana is about to meet many US ambulance-chasing attorney’s.

Korea will likely invoke the Montreal Treaty on all non-Koreans aboard.


42 posted on 07/07/2013 9:12:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tpmintx
Consider: The co-pilot, with significantly more B777 experience, did not challenge the captain’s throttle settings, airspeed or anything. The captain was allowed to save face, all the way to impact.

Someone posted on another crash thread yesterday that he is a 777 pilot who flies out of SFO.

He said that asian pilots [due to their culture] give tremendous defference to the pilot in command - even when they see things going wrong.

Something about respecting authority ...

43 posted on 07/07/2013 9:14:15 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: GSP.FAN

“Jeez!Admitting guilt unheard of. Well their goes another airline.”

If it were a U.S. Airline, then likely yes, the attorneys would be having a field day.

But this isn’t a U.S. Airline, so the Montreal Treaty applies here.


44 posted on 07/07/2013 9:15:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: NonValueAdded

“It would appear that the trial lawyers have not yet instilled in South Korea the proper fear of truthful statements. I am certain they will learn.”

As I stated earlier, the Montreal Treaty will apply here, if Korea/Asiana choose to invoke it.


45 posted on 07/07/2013 9:18:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Before you all get that rope up over the branch, consider a few things. It says he had landed 747s at SFO previously, so it's not like he was a "new" pilot by any means. Also listening to the ATC voice traffic, it sounded to me like he was saying he was having "problems" a minute or two prior to the impact. That tells me it wasn't a case of, "whoops I came in too short." More likely there were issues with non-responsive aircraft controls.

My gut tells me that "pilot error" will not be the final conclusion. I'm going with some kind of equipment failure.

46 posted on 07/07/2013 9:22:42 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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Also listening to the ATC voice traffic, it sounded to me like he was saying he was having "problems" a minute or two prior to the impact.

I don't thinks so...I didn't hear that and in fact if they were having issues with the aircraft a full minute or two prior to landing, there would have been much more radio chatter from those in the cockpit to ATC. They would have made this very clear to the tower, since landing is critical, as opposed to cruising at altitude.

47 posted on 07/07/2013 9:28:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Very unlikely as we’ve already heard tidbits from the NTSB that indicate the plane performed normally.

“National Transportation Safety Board Chairwoman Deborah Hersman said Sunday that it was too early to say whether pilot error or mechanical failure were to blame.

But she said there was no evidence of problems with the flight or the landing until 7 seconds before impact, when the crew tried to increase the plane’s speed and the plane responded normally. The control tower was not alerted to any plane issues.”

Yahoo news report.


48 posted on 07/07/2013 9:33:45 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Lmo56
. . . that asian pilots [due to their culture] give tremendous defference to the pilot in command - even when they see things going wrong. Something about respecting authority ...

I think not all Asians only Koreans. Watch this one!

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/series/802/air-disasters/141884

49 posted on 07/07/2013 9:41:22 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If he was training on the aircraft at that airport, perhaps the airline should have rescheduled the training to a date when the glidepath radar was operational?

I'm hearing that it was down because of construction and/or maintenance.

-PJ

50 posted on 07/07/2013 9:42:44 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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