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Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval
News 10 | July 07, 2013

Posted on 07/08/2013 1:03:07 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: noinformedconsent; nojustice; obamacare; obamatyranny
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Yeah, I know that a lot of the victims were probably people that we wouldn't want to breed, but keep something in mind: <tinfoil_hat> The Leftists would be happy to see us all in prison, and they've noticed that we outbreed them. </tinfoil_hat>
1 posted on 07/08/2013 1:03:07 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows
Just WTF!?

Can this possibly be true?
Sounds like a practice of the Third Reich..


2 posted on 07/08/2013 1:11:17 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

Doesn’t it, though?


3 posted on 07/08/2013 1:19:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

4 posted on 07/08/2013 1:28:54 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Bad ideas never seem to die, do they?


5 posted on 07/08/2013 1:33:21 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Actually, it’s far more accurate to say that ‘ideas never die’, whether good or bad. Sooner or later, some long-forgotten notion turns up, gets repackaged, and marketed anew.

“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:
and there is no new thing under the Sun.” -Ecclesiastes 1:9


6 posted on 07/08/2013 2:06:04 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

No argument.


7 posted on 07/08/2013 2:17:30 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Doctors under contract with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation sterilized nearly 150 female inmates from 2006 to 2010 without required state approvals, The Center for Investigative Reporting has found
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Great Idea. The women agreed and gave consent. No different than women who discuss sterilization after childbirth in the outside world.


8 posted on 07/08/2013 4:22:07 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Slings and Arrows

leftist utopia IS prison


9 posted on 07/08/2013 4:24:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Chickensoup

Whether they consented is one of the factors in dispute.


10 posted on 07/08/2013 4:52:21 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.

- Justice Ginsburg


11 posted on 07/08/2013 5:05:56 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

This makes for a great history lesson, a teachable moment perhaps.
It seems that people are forgetting that we had the Fabian Socialists and Eugenics as government policy under both Wilson and Roosevelt. This isn’t a NAZI problem it is a problem that stems from the earliest Progressive movement in America.
If Planned Parenthood had worked as originally conceived by Margaret Sanger, there would be no blacks left in America, but then somebody realized that they needed the votes. The left is a friend to power not mankind. Victim-hood is a very slippery slope.


12 posted on 07/08/2013 5:20:57 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Actual Eugenics must be prevented as the horror it is, of course.

After reading the article, I do not see where anyone “forced” anyone else to have tubal ligation surgery. Since when is it a crime against humanity to offer that particular surgery to someone, while at the same time, to give them compelling reasons to accept? I smell lawyers trolling for major payouts.

Do you guys really think OB-GYN’s do not offer this surgery to patients outside of prison?


13 posted on 07/08/2013 5:39:37 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Gee, I'm sure glad that Roe v. Wade gave woman inviolable control over what happens to their own bodies. /SARC sarcsarcsarcsarcsarcsarcsarc


14 posted on 07/08/2013 6:05:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Slings and Arrows

We had a debate about this when Bill Clinton nominated a Nashville doctor for Surgeon General who had done involuntary sterilizations on poor non-white girls.

The kind of program he was involved in was the subject of Senate hearings in the 1970’s with liberals like Ted Kennedy crying foul.


15 posted on 07/08/2013 6:11:15 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ah hell, they consented by going to jail.


16 posted on 07/08/2013 7:10:07 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Imagine if this had been a Republican-led mandate. The first thing out of the box would be a mention of how many black and Hispanic women were affected, “War on Women”, yada yada.


17 posted on 07/08/2013 7:11:57 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Steamburg

sad not many know our own dirty/disgusting history.


18 posted on 07/08/2013 7:34:16 AM PDT by Amigo04
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To: Darnright

Depends on exactly what those compelling reasons were...

...like you don’t want to have that guards baby?


19 posted on 07/08/2013 7:51:34 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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To: Bobalu

What is even more scary...go read the comments section.

They’d rather practice eugenics than dis-incentive the welfare system that encourages these women to have babies for dollars.


20 posted on 07/08/2013 8:06:00 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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The top medical manager at Valley State Prison from 2005 to 2008 characterized the surgeries as an empowerment issue for female inmates, providing them the same options as women on the outside. Daun Martin, a licensed psychologist, also claimed that some pregnant women, particularly those on drugs or who were homeless, would commit crimes so they could return to prison for better health care.

“Do I criticize those women for manipulating the system because they’re pregnant? Absolutely not,” said Martin, 73. “But I don’t think it should happen. And I’d like to find ways to decrease that.”

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/07/5549696/female-inmates-sterilized-in-california.html#storylink=cpy

So they don’t want them getting free healthcare.


21 posted on 07/08/2013 11:01:41 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

*facepalm*


22 posted on 07/08/2013 11:06:26 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good reminder that the Bible is always a perfect source for truthful information. Praise the Lord.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 1:03:49 PM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Ping.


24 posted on 07/08/2013 1:17:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
know that a lot of the victims were probably people that we wouldn't want to breed, but keep something in mind: The Leftists would be happy to see us all in prison, and they've noticed that we outbreed them.

The fact is, the type of people who got sterilized are the ones who outbreed the rest of "us," and who always throw their political support behind "them." So if it's a grand eugenic plot by the Left, they have their targets all wrong.

25 posted on 07/08/2013 2:12:39 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: EBH
They’d rather practice eugenics than dis-incentive the welfare system that encourages these women to have babies for dollars

Our welfare system has been dysgenic (reverse eugenic) from the get-go by creating financial incentives for the worst dregs of society to have the most children.

26 posted on 07/08/2013 2:14:21 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Chickensoup
It seems they did not give informed consent; nor was there a medical indication.

Without written informed consent, it's battery (Link)

Even if they call it choice.

27 posted on 07/08/2013 2:27:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Only an arrogant legal culture ... could take such a suggestion seriously." - Justice Alito)
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To: Slings and Arrows; little jeremiah; narses

28 posted on 07/08/2013 2:58:45 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Ah hell, they consented by going to jail.

Congratulations, you just summed up what is wrong with the entire planet, moron.

29 posted on 07/08/2013 3:24:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Bobalu

It sounds like the practice the Third Reich copied from the United States.

If true, this is hardly something new for California.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 3:25:28 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Slings and Arrows

Many socialist, political/regulator class folks are in favor of eugenics, because they want to prevent competition for their fat, government-derived incomes from debt/revenues.


31 posted on 07/08/2013 4:19:57 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Bobalu
Just because Adolph did something doesn't make it evil!

Good highways and trains running on time are not evil.

What's wrong with sterilizing welfare recipients after their first child? I would force them to love and care for their offspring rather than look at them as how many numbers of checks they can force the Gibsmedat to write out.

You may think me cruel. Put yourself in the shoes of a child welfare SLAVE! What kind of outlook on life do they have? Momma created me for another 500 bucks a month?

Go on call me cruel.

32 posted on 07/08/2013 4:34:25 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: familyop

Or to breed a prole that can never rebel.


33 posted on 07/08/2013 5:59:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: markomalley

I’m sure she’s grinning in h*ll.


34 posted on 07/08/2013 6:00:37 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Lots of stupid people on Free Republic.

Read the dang headline, folks: “Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval.”

What information is missing? “... without approval OF THE STATE.”

The “female inmates” wanted the procedure. The state, however, didn’t explicitly provide their “approval.”

Sheesh, buncha idiots taking over FR.


35 posted on 07/08/2013 6:05:44 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

They’ve got the weapon; they just haven’t figured out the right target.


36 posted on 07/08/2013 6:07:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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No, rawcats, I won't call you cruel. I'll call you short-sighted.

Sterilization is maiming, in the literal dictionary sense: it's a destructive act intended to disable.

It is not wrong to spay a dog, or to neuter a cat, but that is because they are irrational creatures unable to control their sex instinct. This is not true of human beings, who have a mind and a will, and, in that respect, bear some trace of the image and likeness of God. It is a sacrilege and a barbarity to maim them, these fellow-creatures with human hearts and souls, and human responsibilities.

A better option might be to punish fornication and require just restitution of child-raising costs from the fly-by-night inseminators. Paying their debt to society --- hell, paying their debt to their own offspring --- might after all spark thoughts about the serious implications of paternity.

We could put them to work planting trees and building homes in the aftermath of our annual Western wildfires. Working in mines (bring back coal, for Pete's sake!) Building the Great Wall of TexMexia at our southern border.

There's plenty of work. There's meaning in working for your family: there's dignity in it. Moreso than chop-chop with the knife.

37 posted on 07/08/2013 6:07:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The story of the human race is the story of men and women selling themselves short." Abraham Maslow)
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To: Theo

1. It’s called “informed consent,” not “succumbing to constant pressure from the people who hold your life and freedom in their hands.”

2. Some inmates have denied that any level of consent was given.


38 posted on 07/08/2013 6:10:57 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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>"they are irrational creatures unable to control their sex instinct. This is not true of human beings"

33-year-old man has 22 kids 2:06

Somebody Needs To Pay For My Kids! 8:23


Uh huh..... NOT IT!

39 posted on 07/08/2013 6:18:41 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Full disclosure: my brother was incentivized to get a vasectomy by the State. It’s a good thing that he took the money.


40 posted on 07/08/2013 6:33:48 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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I'm saying that human beings, by their very nature, could and should control their sex instincts. Not that all of them do. But those who truly cannot, should not be allowed out in public without a keeper and a short leash.

The task before us, is to rebuild human beings.

41 posted on 07/08/2013 6:35:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The story of the human race is the story of men and women selling themselves short." Abraham Maslow)
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To: Slings and Arrows
When a country gets a high enough percentage of Muslims, genocide happens.

When a state gets a high enough percentage of leftists, Naziism happens.
42 posted on 07/08/2013 6:57:46 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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Incarceration for sexual proclivity?

Yeah, I'm the monster.

I'm not talking about sterilizing just the women. Men too! If the momma wont give up the donor, no check!

Sterilization nowadays is not the cruel thing it was 40 years ago. It can be done so it is easily reversible. If anything mandatory welfare sterilization will bring parents closer because it will instill life value to the child beyond a cheap monthly payment.

43 posted on 07/08/2013 7:00:50 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Theo

I’d appreciate more details, if you’re free to disclose them.


44 posted on 07/08/2013 7:24:16 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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women's prison photo: women in prison caged.jpg
45 posted on 07/08/2013 7:54:28 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DuncanWaring

Progressives never change. While this doesn’t seem to be state sanctioned, it appears as though several of the doctors were ideologues and let their worldview guide their actions.


46 posted on 07/09/2013 5:23:12 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I’m not objecting to sterilization because it’s cruel. I’m objecting because it’s maiming. And doing it to somebody without consent is a serious violation of medical ethics (no doctor should consent to do it) as well as, legally, battery.


47 posted on 07/09/2013 6:54:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("When you come to a fork in the road, take it." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Slings and Arrows

No problem. My older brother was born with a minor brain injury, made poor decicions in high school, got a girl pregnant and married her, went on welfare, had another child ... and his caseworker offered him a financial incentive if he’d get a vasectomy. My brother thought that was a great deal (he couldn’t really care for his two kids, who ended up being adopted by my parents), so he took the money and had the procedure. He’s fine with it — it allowed him to be less restrained with his sexuality, and he made a few easy dollars. Was my brother, whose brain doesn’t work quite right, “coerced”? Maybe. But we’re all fine with it.


48 posted on 07/09/2013 7:58:44 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Can’t have the guards getting caught impregnating the prisoners.


49 posted on 07/09/2013 9:01:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Talisker

No, really!?


50 posted on 07/09/2013 9:22:45 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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