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Was Trayvon Martin Rear-Ended by Zimmerman? Z was intoxicated with own agenda and ambition
EURWeb ^ | July 9, 2013 | Larry Buford

Posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

*On Monday (7/8) the defense attorneys in the George Zimmerman trial brought forth testimony from a parade of witnesses who vouched that the screams for help on the 911 tapes were those of Zimmerman and not Trayvon Martin.

Legal analysts called it a victory for the defense, claiming the testimony of Trayvon’s father Tracy Martin was weak and contradictory. However, the father did raise one simple question that seems to be largely overlooked – why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?

It would seem the prosecution’s best strategy would have been to camp on the 911 call where the dispatchers clearly instructed Zimmerman not to pursue Trayvon stating “We don’t need you to do that.” What was the timeline from that directive to the fatal shot? Zimmerman’s claim that he was looking for the name of the street location is weak. For someone who has lived on that complex for three years – to be as diligent and concerned a watchman as he portrays – and not know the location he was patrolling is incredible. Reportedly, there are only three street names throughout the entire complex.

To claim that he could not gather his thoughts through all the excitement and adrenaline flowing doesn’t add up as police and other witnesses reported that they found him to be too calm and collected for someone who had just shot another human being.

So it appears the prosecution should have focused on Zimmerman’s neglecting to follow the instruction of law enforcement professionals – that’s the cut bank where the defense would erode.

The Florida Supreme Court defines negligence as follows:

“Negligence is the failure to use reasonable care. Reasonable care is that degree of care which a reasonably careful person would use under like circumstances. Negligence may consist either in doing something that a reasonably careful person would not do under like circumstances or in failing to do something that a reasonably careful person would do under like circumstances.” (Florida Standard Jury Instructions, 4.1).

Zimmerman’s case should be likened to a drunk driver who rear-ended another vehicle resulting in loss of life. Zimmerman was intoxicated with his own agenda and ambition, plain and simple. The trial should be focused on the initial impact – that is how Trayvon was impacted once he realized he was being followed by someone who did not identify himself as he should have.

By the way, in identifying who in fact is screaming “help” on the 911 tape, I’m reminded of a story I once heard where upon viewing her dead husband’s body a woman thought it did not resemble him and complained to the funeral director, “That’s not my husband” to which the director replied “How do you know…you’ve never seen him dead before!” So I ask, how can anyone be sure of who is in fact screaming on the tape when they’ve never heard what the person in desperation may sound like in the face of death?


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KEYWORDS: asscracker; florida; lousyliberals; stretch; tracymartin; trayvon; zimmerman
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The Author

Grasping at straws now, aren't they?

1 posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am amazed at the lengths black libtards are going to, to make Z guilty.

HE’S INNOCENT- HE WAS ATTACKED BY A STUPID YOUNG THUG

If Z didnt have a gun he would have probably been in the hospital


2 posted on 07/09/2013 11:49:47 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep
And they do not care a out the 100 blacks killed week in and week out with 94 killed by other blacks


3 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:11 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another racist proving yet again what most Americans believe according to a recent poll: that Blacks are the most racist amongst us.


4 posted on 07/09/2013 11:50:57 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the civilian operator asked for his location,
it generally includes two things :
a) street name
b) number on the nearest house

Are we grasping at straws yet ?


5 posted on 07/09/2013 11:52:23 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Sir, that’s retarded.”


6 posted on 07/09/2013 11:53:18 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

larry Buford - a Jayson Blair wanna-be


7 posted on 07/09/2013 11:55:27 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, and didn’t realize he meant “rear ended” as a metaphor until I got well into the article. Hell, I thought he was insinuating TM was from the “down low” club.


8 posted on 07/09/2013 11:56:16 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If a black person spouts nonsense in the woods and there is no one there to hear him, did he still play the race card?
9 posted on 07/09/2013 11:56:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (This is a sarcasm tag for the retards unable to recognize sarcasm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Numbnuts never went to law school. Leaving the truck was foolish but not illegal. Had the prosecutors focused on that the judge probably would have granted the motion for acquittal. And this is not a negligence case. The burden is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.


10 posted on 07/09/2013 11:57:26 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Holder’s people don’t want the mound of lies they’ve created regarding the events to be eroded, so they play ‘re-speak’, restating the false talking points to try and blunt the truth which has come out ... like the notion that George should have followed the police directions to not follow Traytable; George turned back to ward his vehicle when the police said they didn’t need George to follow Traytable.


11 posted on 07/09/2013 11:58:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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"Zimmerman was intoxicated with his own agenda and ambition, plain and simple. "

His agenda was to police the area and report suspicious activity. Nevermind some low ranking civilian dispatcher said he didn't need to be following the suspect. If the cops are on their way, I wish to know which way the suspect went.

12 posted on 07/09/2013 11:58:49 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...on the 911 call where the dispatchers clearly instructed Zimmerman not to pursue Trayvon stating “We don’t need you to do that.

That is clear? Unequivocal? Unambiguous? "We don't need you to do that" is the same as "You are not to do that"? Making that assertion is quite a stretch.

13 posted on 07/09/2013 11:58:50 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

:: camp on the 911 call where the dispatchers clearly instructed Zimmerman not to pursue Trayvon ::

(1) not a 911 call
(2) not a dispatcher
(3) not a legally imposed command (”clearly instructed”)

More spin than a gyroscope!


14 posted on 07/09/2013 11:59:11 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: colorado tanker

“Too calm” aka In Shock.


15 posted on 07/09/2013 12:01:06 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess the author could care less about the 75 shootings w/ 12 deaths in Chicago over the holiday since it was a culture thing between Blacks.


16 posted on 07/09/2013 12:02:01 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

They also ignore the fact that Zimmerman responded to the “request” that he not follow St. Thugvon with an, “OK.”


17 posted on 07/09/2013 12:02:12 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This reads like a condensed and none-too-subtle version of the same issues David Horowitz put under his byline on his own website Frontpagemag.com. He got HUNDREDS of responses ,99% of which took serious issue with him, accusing him of reverting back to his Lefty past, and being “fact-deficient”.
It has to be read to be believed, all of it delivered in tones of Our David of the Bleeding Heart,and even though he
made a couple of good points, they were only halfway made.


18 posted on 07/09/2013 12:02:13 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
they found him to be too calm and collected for someone who had just shot another human being.

WRONG! VERY WRONG! A post-shooting mentality is NOT one of hysteria like we see portrayed in the media. Law & Order is not an accurate depiction of a law-abiding citizen's reaction to a shooting.

When you're in a fight for your life, everything about you changes. Your mentality changes: fight or flight. Your vision narrows. Your hearing diminishes. You don't pay attention to anything but the immediate threat. You sweat heavily, a natural defense mechanism to make you "slippery" as a victim.

Having been in this situation TWICE in my life, I can tell you that the aftermath was inexplicably peaceful. There was a sense of euphoria. The world was quiet. I didn't even hear the police screeching down the street. You stand there in bewilderment. Your body is still in that fight or flight mode. Your vision is blurred and centrally focused. Your hearing is still dull and tinny. It takes minutes if not hours to fully recover from an assault. You're not thinking straight.

Police are actually trained to deal with these situations through diversion therapies. That's a big reason why they're put on administrative leave after a shooting. It's not just for the investigation, but it's a time to allow the officer sufficient time to mentally recover.

In combat soldiers, a constant state of alertness and a constant barrage of these situations creates what we now call "Post-traumatic Stress Disorder." The body's instinct is to return to that level of calm, but if you're constantly under duress, that calm never returns. Your set point is raised. You are hyperalert. This state of being is not conducive to sanity. The body is constantly producing the stress hormone cortisol.

Zimmerman's post-shooting reaction was exactly what I expected to hear. The "stylized" version we see on TV and in movies is NOT realistic and is often what hoplophobic lefties believe to be the truth when in reality, not a single one of them has been in the fight for their life and would likely not recover either.

19 posted on 07/09/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another Trayvon apologist. It doesn’t matter that Z left his car. All that matters is that Trayvon initiated the confrontation and was doing his best to beat the crap out of (and possibly to severely injure) Z. If Z had been black we would have never heard.


20 posted on 07/09/2013 12:02:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: svcw

So we should believe Trayvon’s mother when she says it is her son, but NOT the many other witnesses who said it was Z

And we should ignore that his own father originally said it was NOT Saint Skittles screaming.

I was thinking about this yesterday when it came up- my 3 daughters were outside playing and screaming with their friend and I could clearly pick out my 3

Trayvon’s mom is a liar. She does not care her young thug was at fault.


21 posted on 07/09/2013 12:04:21 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...;camp on the 911 call...."

Zimmermann did not call 911.

22 posted on 07/09/2013 12:10:01 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Mr. K
If Z didnt have a gun he would have probably been in the hospital

In a "best-case" scenario, yes. On the otherhand, he could be six-feet-under.
23 posted on 07/09/2013 12:10:25 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Z was intoxicated with own agenda and ambition

There's the difference; Zimmerman had an ambition, the thug - none.

24 posted on 07/09/2013 12:10:33 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: svcw

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

Interactive homicide map of NYC.


25 posted on 07/09/2013 12:11:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Hence “Creepy ass-cracker”.


26 posted on 07/09/2013 12:11:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am sick and tired of these racists trying to defend criminals.


27 posted on 07/09/2013 12:12:27 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Negligence is the failure to use reasonable care. Reasonable care is that degree of care which a reasonably careful person would use under like circumstances. Negligence may consist either in doing something that a reasonably careful person would not do under like circumstances or in failing to do something that a reasonably careful person would do under like circumstances.” (Florida Standard Jury Instructions, 4.1).

Yeah, a "reasonable" person would run away from a suspicious individual prowling around the neighborhood, and the prowler would count on law abiding citizens acting in this "reasonable" manner.
28 posted on 07/09/2013 12:15:37 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody ever mentions that the burglaries in the neighborhood stopped after Martin was shot.


29 posted on 07/09/2013 12:15:50 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Would this not prove that this case was overcharged from the start? Negligence is not bad intent.

I don't know Florida law, but looking at this case the best the state/prosecution should have sought would have been something akin to negligent involuntary manslaughter in the first place. Thats not second degree murder.

30 posted on 07/09/2013 12:16:54 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

31 posted on 07/09/2013 12:17:04 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A strong case could be made (and is being made, it seems) that GZ was using reasonable care in trying to head off and reduce crime in his neighborhood. A reasonable person, good citizen, could be expected to do the same. He was not neglectful.


32 posted on 07/09/2013 12:17:12 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: colorado tanker

And this is not a negligence case. The burden is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
***Unfortunately for GZ, this will become a negligence case when the family sues him.


33 posted on 07/09/2013 12:17:15 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Would this goofball be pushing for a conviction based on this evidence if Zimmerman was black and Martin was white? I don't think so.
34 posted on 07/09/2013 12:18:42 PM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags Of All Colors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good grief, next thing ya know they’ll be saying he killed TM just for the fame of it.


35 posted on 07/09/2013 12:19:19 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Answer to the question.

A: Lots of robberies. Trevon fit the profile.

(Sorry, libs, but that’s sort of how pattern recognition works. Oh, forgot, pattern recognition is for grownups, not femlib nazis and other libarts marshmallow majors.)


36 posted on 07/09/2013 12:19:24 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: colorado tanker
Leaving the truck was foolish but not illegal. Had the prosecutors focused on that the judge probably would have granted the motion for acquittal. And this is not a negligence case. The burden is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Which was my earlier point; this case was overcharged from the start. If the state wanted to file charges with a reasonable chance of being successful (and fair for that matter), it would have to be a negligence case, not Murder 2.

37 posted on 07/09/2013 12:20:37 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Mr. K

Of course she is a liar, the parents didn’t even realize it was Martin that was killed, because it was not unusual for him to wonder off for days at a time.
His parents are using his death for financial gain, and will join the ranks of Jackson and Sharpton as race mongers, regardless of the verdict.
They are probably organizing the riots right now.
Martin was hopped up on drugs, had been using a broadcasting his use on twitter, suspended from school for drug use, and position.
He was not that 12 year old in the picture.


38 posted on 07/09/2013 12:23:11 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Honestly, few in the black community can rationally talk on topics that involve black people. They get far too emotional, and don't let facts get in the way of their already race-based preconceived notions. We see it with criticism of Obama, and we certainly see it with Trayvon Martin.

I can' tell you how may times I've now discussed the case with black people only to have them conclude that...

Zimmerman profiled Martin... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

Or Zimmerman followed Martin... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

Or Zimmerman disregarded the dispatcher's suggestion to remain in place... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

After the hundredth time explaining that even if we accept those statements to be true, that alone is not dispositive of Zimmerman being guilty of murder. That's usually when the other party becomes even more incredulous and emotional. It's not worth arguing. The black community sees the case (and other aspects of American life) differently than all others, you're not going to change their mind, so why argue.

39 posted on 07/09/2013 12:23:28 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: Sopater
Northfield, Minnesota.
40 posted on 07/09/2013 12:23:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

re: So it appears the prosecution should have focused on Zimmerman’s neglecting to follow the instruction of law enforcement professionals

I don’t intend to minimize the job of 911 dispatchers and call takers, but are they considered “law enforcement professionals”? I don’t think so. The standard requirements are a high school diploma or equivalent and some on the job training, according to http://www.bls.gov/ooh/office-and-administrative-support/police-fire-and-ambulance-dispatchers.htm. Some states require certification. I am still not sure that having a certificate qualifies a dispatcher to claim that they are a law enforcement professional.


41 posted on 07/09/2013 12:24:19 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: peeps36

We have come to the absurd state where blacks are murdered by other blacks by the dozen in many large cities yet it barely gets a mention on the evening news. But let one white person shoot one black person and suddenly you have an epidemic and would think that the KKK rules the streets.


42 posted on 07/09/2013 12:26:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: rarestia

That is very wrong, and from what I know, Zimmerman’s first words to the neighbor were something akin to “Just call the police”.


43 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:00 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact remains that Trayvon chose to enter the ground near Zimmerman that his advocates claim he was defending. Someone not looking for trouble would have simply gone home. There is a price to be paid for the militance promoted in the black and gangland culture. Usually it is innocent victims who pay that price, but in this case, Trayvon paid it. As the militance escalates, more and more young black men will pay for it with their lives, on the streets and in our prisons.


44 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:45 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?”

To keep him observation so he could point out his location when the police arrived. Try to keep up.

Nor was Trayvon fleeing in terror with Zim trying to run him down as the left portrays it.

From the transcrips with the police dispatcher:

Zim,”Now he is just staring at me”

Zim, “Yeah, Now he is coming towards me”

Zim, He has got his hand in his waistband and he is coming to check me out.

This shows that Trayvon was not intimidated at all by Zim observing him. On the contrary, he was trying to intimidate and stare down Zim and only ran away when he realized that Zim was talking on his phone probably calling the police and Trayvon was probably carrying reefer.

Nor did Zim try to run him down as he was carrying on an extended conversation with the dispatcher after Trayvon took off.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Considering that T was taller with a longer stride, played HS football, and Zim was on the phone with the dispatcher as he followed him, it is absurd to think Zim could have run him down.

Trayvon made it hid dads apt, stashed his weed and returned to attack the “Creepy Ass Cracker” who had disrespected him.


45 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: KC_Conspirator

Excuse me? What is very wrong? Are you going to offer up some sort of explanation for your response? I don’t take lightly to being called a liar if that’s what you’re insinuating.


46 posted on 07/09/2013 12:32:19 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two Americas, now. A house divided against itself cannot stand....


47 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Uncle Lonny

The author is warning it is wise not to enter a lion’s den when the lion is hungry. Think aboout it....


48 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:44 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: ozzymandus

It is getting so sick that we could say they aren’t even trying to defend the criminals, just exploit the crimes as a means to inflame racist reactions. If the racist components are not there, Jesse jackasson and alice sharptoon would not even be in front of the treacherous media cameras! The obvious agenda to inflame race tension is becoming so obvious even black people are sick of it!


49 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If one wants to understand the pathology that infects virtually every innercity in America one need not look further than the lack of intellectual rigor in this article. If you want to know why Detroit is bankrupt, if you want to know why Chicago has become a slaughterhouse, if you want to know why 96% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama and consistently vote for Democrats, here is your answer in microcosm.

The argumentation in the article is beyond amateurish, it is absurd. A whole section of American society lives in a dream world in which book learning is demeaned, logic is disregarded, science and the scientific method are unknown.


50 posted on 07/09/2013 12:34:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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