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Pakistan : Report says US Bin Laden raid 'an act of war'
Aljazeera ^ | Last Modified: 09 Jul 2013 09:04 | Asad Hashim

Posted on 07/09/2013 5:42:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

USA Today had a very different Title for the Report

Pakistan's Mea Culpa

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Al Jazeera's Investigative Unit leaked the report on Monday, The unit's Josh Berstein filed this report

The unilateral decision by the US to launch a military operation to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden on Pakistani territory constituted "an act of war", a Pakistani government investigation has found.

The report of the Abbottabad Commission, which investigated the circumstances around the raid and how the al-Qaeda leader came to live in the country for nine years without apparently being detected, was exclusively released by Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit on Monday.

The report of the commission, formed in June 2011 to probe the circumstances around the killing of bin Laden by US forces in a unilateral raid on the Pakistani city of Abbottabad, had earlier been suppressed by the Pakistani government.

The raid illustrated Washington's "contemptuous disregard of Pakistan’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity in the arrogant certainty of […] unmatched military might", the report concluded in its "Findings" section.

In the same section, the report also details the "comprehensive failure of Pakistan to detect the presence of Bin Laden on its territory for almost a decade".

The report draws on testimony from more than 200 witnesses, including members of Bin Laden's family, Pakistan's then spy chief, senior ministers in the government and officials at every level of the military, bureaucracy and security services.

Scathing report

The commission's 336-page report is scathing, holding both the government and the military responsible for "gross incompetence" leading to "collective failures" that allowed both Bin Laden to escape detection, and the US to be able to violate Pakistani sovereignty by carrying out an attack on its soil without the knowledge of the military or the government.


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1 posted on 07/09/2013 5:42:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MestaMachine; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle

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2 posted on 07/09/2013 5:43:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d have to agree. Anytime you are at war and you kill the other side’s general, it’s probably an “Act ‘O War”. Nothing gets by these Pokeystawn guys. They’re smart.


3 posted on 07/09/2013 5:47:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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4 posted on 07/09/2013 5:47:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well, can anyone deny that staging a military invasion is an act of war? If any country did this to us, we'd certainly view it as such. Actually, how could anyone deny it's an act of war.

Pakistan doesn't want to go to war with the U.S., so nothing will come of it, but, yeah, it was an act of war.

5 posted on 07/09/2013 5:47:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Pakistan isn’t worth the sweat off the privates of a single member of our military.
Ditto for Afghanistan. I hate FUBO with a passion, but I wish to hell he would bring everyone we have in that area home tomorrow. I’m sorry for their women, but we are not the world’s policeman. Offer help and protection to Israel, but that’s it!


6 posted on 07/09/2013 5:48:26 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Pakistan's intelligence Services and probably almost half of its government is infiltrated by and co-opted by the Taliban and other Islamic extremists.

A report from anyone tied to any of that is clearly going to stoke the coals and try and turn Pakistan further against the US.

The fact is, providing safe haven to bin Laden, our abject enemy, while we are fighting the Taliban who openly gave him sanctuary (and are supposedly being helped in that fight by Pakisttan) was also an "at of war," by those ding so.

7 posted on 07/09/2013 5:49:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting that the official report on the operation just went into a CIA black hole the other day.


8 posted on 07/09/2013 5:49:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hat tip to Pakistan for forming a commission and damning their own government for gross incompetence over a national security matter- something that has yet to occur with Obama and Hillary over Benghazi.


9 posted on 07/09/2013 5:52:36 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: nickcarraway

This was certainly an unusual case considering the raid was being live tweeted from on the ground in Pakistan. Something like 3 hours in country with helicopters and there was no confrontation from the nearby military base.


10 posted on 07/09/2013 5:52:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The commission's 336-page report is scathing, holding both the government and the military responsible for "gross incompetence" leading to "collective failures" that allowed both Bin Laden to escape detection, and the US to be able to violate Pakistani sovereignty by carrying out an attack on its soil without the knowledge of the military or the government.

That's actually a little unfair. A government kept from the awareness of a high-value target can hardly be blamed for failing to protect it. It is questionable how high the knowledge that OBL was present percolated within the Pakistani government, but it was nearly certainly in the hands of the ISI. What is equally certain is that the ISI is thoroughly compromised by agents sympathetic to al Qaeda, who can scarcely be considered honest brokers in the matter.

The brutal truth is that the raid would not have been necessary were the Pakistani government in control of its own territory and its own intelligence assets. It isn't.

11 posted on 07/09/2013 5:53:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I know who can get to resolve this diplomatic issue.

PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, the President of Pakistan, claimed last night that the Bush Administration threatened to bomb his country “into the Stone Age” if it did not co-operate with the US after 9/11, sharply increasing tensions between the US and one of its closest allies in the war on terrorism.

The President, who will meet Mr Bush in the White House today, said the threat was made by Richard Armitage, then the Deputy Secretary of State, in the days after the terror attacks, and was issued to the Pakistani intelligence director.

12 posted on 07/09/2013 5:53:08 PM PDT by McGruff (I need a new party.)
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To: Jeff Head

Didn’t the United States provide safe haven for bin Laden in Kosovo, and allow other countries to provide safe haven for him in the 90s? Didn’t we turn down the Sudan when the offered him to us?


13 posted on 07/09/2013 5:53:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Billthedrill
Richard Armitage should be in jail for multiple reasons.

would not have been necessary were the Pakistani government in control of its own territory and its own intelligence assets. It isn't.

And the Himalayas should be made out of candy. Pakistan and Afghanistan are geopolitically ungovernable. The U.K., Russia, and the United States couldn't control Pakistan. The U.S., India, or Pakistan can't control Pakistan. That's the way it is.

14 posted on 07/09/2013 5:57:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Okay Paki-derms, declare it and let’s get it on. Remember though , a 50 cal. bullet goes right through a towel hat.


15 posted on 07/09/2013 6:00:13 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

SO what do they call the Mumbai terror attacked which was staged by Pakis out of Pakistan with the assistance of the Pakistani intelligence serve?


16 posted on 07/09/2013 6:00:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good - go and attack Chi-Congo. They’ll never notice the difference.


17 posted on 07/09/2013 6:00:35 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’m inclined to agree, at least with respect to the tribal regions. This wasn’t there, though, this was spitting distance to Islamabad. Both OBL and the SEALs were there because the Pakistanis couldn’t control even that, which is, I’m guessing from the story, the point of the report. That’s a little worrisome for a nuclear power.


18 posted on 07/09/2013 6:03:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest. It might have been an act of war, if Pakistan weren’t a pseudostate.

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19 posted on 07/09/2013 6:04:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: nickcarraway

Richard Armitage

Another international crisis group trustee.

Anytime there is something going on in the world that ain’t quite right its always a good idea to check the names.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx


20 posted on 07/09/2013 6:07:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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21 posted on 07/09/2013 6:08:36 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: nickcarraway

“Well, can anyone deny that staging a military invasion is an act of war?”

Technically “an invasion”, but hardly based in reality. A legal incursion to get a war criminal would be more accurate.

“it was an act of war.”

Again, technically.

So you were against the raid to kill Bin Laden?


22 posted on 07/09/2013 6:08:46 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: TADSLOS

Yes,....very revealing ...


23 posted on 07/09/2013 6:11:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If it was an “act of war” it was so created by the total and legitimate mistrust of Pakistan, by the U.S., by virtue of its intent, or its neglect, or its incompetence in (a) not knowing Bin Laden was in plain sight in Pakistan and (b) the U.S. having NOT obtained that information from Pakistan.

Under the circumtances, “innocent” or not, Pakistan could not be trusted with the raid information until after the fact.

If Pakistan was really and truly merely neglectfully, incompetently innocent, then how is it the Pakistani doctor who helped the U.S. nail down Bin Laden’s location is considered to be traitor to Pakistan?


24 posted on 07/09/2013 6:11:25 PM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: vette6387
The World is such a complicated place now.....

Guess we can count on the oceans to protect us!

25 posted on 07/09/2013 6:12:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: nickcarraway
Well, can anyone deny that staging a military invasion is an act of war? If any country did this to us, we'd certainly view it as such. Actually, how could anyone deny it's an act of war.

Some decades ago, representatives from the Irish Republican Army would do fund-raising in the US in Irish-American communities. Visualize the reaction if British SAS commandos staged a hit on the IRA guys on US soil.

26 posted on 07/09/2013 6:13:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
ain't skeerd... feh
27 posted on 07/09/2013 6:16:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“The unilateral decision by the US to launch a military operation to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden on Pakistani territory constituted “an act of war”, a Pakistani government investigation has found.”

Uh-oh! Does that mean that Pakistan is going to declare war on the US of A?

Or will they complain to the impotent international criminal court in Belgium?


28 posted on 07/09/2013 6:17:30 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: nickcarraway

It is an act of war.

And I wish they’d declare war on us. It would be good to wipe out the insane islamofascists ruling that part of the world.

I also think its an act of war against us to harbor bin laden.

And no I don’t believe for a moment they weren’t.


29 posted on 07/09/2013 6:19:23 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: nickcarraway

IMHO, giving Bin Laden shelter all those years was akin to an act of war. Don’t buy for a second the premise that they didn’t know he was there.


30 posted on 07/09/2013 6:23:54 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We made a deal with the devil so we could invade Afghanistan. The problem is that while we have troops in Afghanistan we still need the devil.

Pakistan is fighting the P-Taliban in their country. They are supporting the A-Taliban in Afghanistan. The Afghan government is supporting the P-Taliban and fighting the A-Taliban. The P-Taliban and A-Taliban are fighting each other for territory. Afghan and Pakistan troops have been squaring off along the border. And we are supplying both of them with money. We are also negotiating with the A-Taliban.

What a cluster.


31 posted on 07/09/2013 6:27:24 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They’re just now figuring out that it was an act of war?


32 posted on 07/09/2013 6:27:51 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let them declare war- and as soon as they do, we nuke their capital right off the bat.


33 posted on 07/09/2013 6:30:22 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So, Bin Laden thought he was at war with us, and Pakistan called what we did in response an “act of war”.

So, why does Obama want to try those nice boys down in GTMO in civilian courts, when the people whose opinion he seems to value highly are pretty confident that they are at war with us?


34 posted on 07/09/2013 6:35:31 PM PDT by married21
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Billthedrill
Ernest. I think Bill's closing sentence in #11, described what I would have wrote:

"The brutal truth is that the raid would not have been necessary
were the Pakistani government in control of its own
territory and its own intelligence assets. It isn't."
35 posted on 07/09/2013 6:36:45 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Pakistan knowingly harbored a known international criminal placing both their military and intelligence services in conflict with the international community.

By removing the obstacle to peace between the Pakistan Nation and the rest of the law abiding nations of the world, the US did a service of restoring their good standing without violation of their so called government services. For the Paki's to feel that their sovereignty was broached by the US raid, they would have to also admit that they sought to be an outlaw state such as Iran. Of course, their development of Nukes did just that years before and only because of Bin Laden did they actually become somewhat reinstated into the international community.

36 posted on 07/09/2013 6:54:22 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
Uh-oh! Does that mean that Pakistan is going to declare war on the US of A?

By sponsoring the 9/11 attacks, Pakistan went to war with the US. We simply chose to turn a blind eye to Pakistani complicity. It's as if, in response, to Pearl Harbor, we had said "Never mind".

37 posted on 07/09/2013 7:05:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
the US to launch a military operation to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden on Pakistani territory constituted "an act of war"

Does this mean we can stop sending them money?

38 posted on 07/09/2013 7:06:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We know how you feel, Pakistan. 0bama is waging war on the United States, too.. only without the stealth helicopters.


39 posted on 07/09/2013 7:11:36 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Nothing gets by these Pokeystawn guys. They’re smart.

Ya know, I think they're trying to provoke us or something declaring our killing Bin Laden "an act of war." That's tantamount to admitting they were providing him safe harbor.

Assuming that's the case, any President with a pair of testicles would have Predator Drones raining fire down on them .... but since we have this panty-waste muslim ass kisser in the White House no doubt an apology followed by repeated bowing is forthcoming.

40 posted on 07/09/2013 7:16:07 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: nickcarraway
Pakistan doesn't want to go to war with the U.S., so nothing will come of it, but, yeah, it was an act of war.

Only because they cannot reach us. They can however reach India. They just sent funding to the Pakistani terrorist group responsible for the terrorist attack on Mumbai. Wonder what that group is planning ?

41 posted on 07/09/2013 7:38:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I still think it was a snatch raid that went bad. Had the chopper not crashed, we never would have heard of it.


42 posted on 07/09/2013 7:42:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: rbmillerjr
So you were against the raid to kill Bin Laden?

Honestly, I don't have enough information to know.

Hmmmm, well, the U.S. was harboring bin Laden in 1999 and 2000 (in Kosovo), and before that we let him off the hook before that, so maybe they got the idea that wasn't an issue with us.

43 posted on 07/09/2013 7:51:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: justa-hairyape
Well, India is obviously Pakistan's main geopolitical rival. But I've read the population is not as eager for that fight anymore.

Only because they cannot reach us.

Some people in Pakistan might hate the U.S., but I don't think anyone wants to invade the U.S.


We did the Pakistani government a favor by getting rid of bin Laden, they didn't want him there. He was trouble for them. But there is to large a group there that would have made more trouble if they turned him over. But, the U.S. operation made them look stupid and vulnerable. And no country could just look the other way, when something like this happens on their soil. They have make a stink about.

44 posted on 07/09/2013 7:59:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

(So you were against the raid to kill Bin Laden?)

“Honestly, I don’t have enough information to know.”

Wow. What possible information could you need?

“Hmmmm, well, the U.S. was harboring bin Laden in 1999 and 2000 (in Kosovo)”

LINKS ?


45 posted on 07/09/2013 8:04:25 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So was harboring bin Laden. Lets nuke Islamabad and see how they feel about war with the US.


46 posted on 07/09/2013 8:11:24 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: nickcarraway
Some people in Pakistan might hate the U.S., but I don't think anyone wants to invade the U.S.

What they could do is a Mumbai style attack on a city. Would only need a dozen or two for that. And we know they can approach with small craft virtually undetected.

47 posted on 07/09/2013 8:39:50 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: nickcarraway
Pakistan doesn't want to go to war with the U.S., so nothing will come of it, but, yeah, it was an act of war.

Was hiding Bin Laden from us for 9 years an act of war?
Didn't Bush say that if you are providing terrorists with a base of operations in your country you are part of the terrorist problem?
The pakis had been advised and they chose to play dumb.

48 posted on 07/09/2013 8:50:54 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So what?

“They can bill me”.


49 posted on 07/09/2013 9:08:56 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Harboring bin Laden, knowingly, and they full-well knew it, in the wake of 9/11, is an act of war.

Unfortunately we have O as CIC.


50 posted on 07/09/2013 10:03:24 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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