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Is Egypt heading for holy war?
BBC ^ | July 9, 2013 | Frank Gardner

Posted on 07/10/2013 7:58:50 AM PDT by yoe

Away from the troublespots, life for millions of Egyptians continues as normal. Egypt's most fundamental problems are more economic than political.

But in a week when the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood called for "an uprising by the great people of Egypt against those trying to steal their revolution with tanks", when dozens were killed in clashes between the army and Islamists and when the grand sheikh of al-Azhar warned of a civil war, an awkward question hovers in the air.

Is Egypt now prone to a new "holy war" fought by Islamists against the authorities?

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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Senator McCain called for the suspension of Egyptian aid before things got this bad....Obama probably wants the Muslim Brother-hood to prevail.....USA should suspend aid and sit this one out...it is a Civil War.
1 posted on 07/10/2013 7:58:50 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

I think a “Holy War” would be the way to get this thing straightened out. Algeria had a similar situation years ago and their Army crushed the Muslim attempt to take over the Government. A similar war in Egypt might wipe out the “Brotherhood” for good.


2 posted on 07/10/2013 8:02:15 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: yoe

When Mubarak was overthrown, Obama rushed out, gave a speech, in which he praised these Arab spring revolutions, and how freedom and democracy was coming to Egypt now, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Obama was fundamentally wrong about what is happening in that part of the world. These countries are NOT overthrowing dictators and then moving on to western style parliamentary democracy. Obama in his liberal naivete, or his lack of knowledge of history and world affairs, is clueless about things.

We don’t know what is going to happen in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc. and that’s the whole point. We fear that Muslim extremists will take over these countries. Perhaps Obama doesn’t fear that, but many of us do. But for Obama to say that freedom and democracy is coming to the Arab/Muslim world due to these revolutions is absurd.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 8:04:05 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: yoe

It Islam is involved, there is most definitely nothing “holy” about it.


4 posted on 07/10/2013 8:04:16 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: yoe
Knowing where it started with all the far left American groups stoking the fire against Mubarak tells me all I need to know about where this is going.

Islam is a socialistic ideology and American marxist meddling is only making things worse.

Egypt is done.

As Mark Steyn wrote the other day.

Gang-Raping Your Way to Democracy

As in the Congolese civil war, where both sides agreed that pygmies made excellent appetizers, in the Egyptian political stand-off, the young men of both pro- and anti-Morsi forces agree on little else except that the chicks are fair game. This ugly aspect has gone strikingly under-reported in America for over two years, ever since CBS chose to downplay the rape of its own correspondent.

This is a left on islamic left fight with few real ideological differences. Its more akin to the dispute between the nazis and communists than anything remotely like the American revolution.
5 posted on 07/10/2013 8:09:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: yoe

I disagree!

Normally, I’m not in favor of choosing sides in middle eastern countries, but in this case (while I do not want to see any ‘overt’ American involvement - which btw, would actually be detrimental to the objective), I do think that the battle about to be waged in Egypt will be one that will have huge and significant consequences for the west and for generations to come, and this would require the U.S. and the west to align themselves in full support of those trying to prevent an ‘Islamic’ theocratic government from taking over (i.e. the ‘Bros).

More than half of all Egyptians DO NOT (I repeat) DO NOT want to see any radical Islamic government taking over in Egypt. The coming civil war, if there is one, is going to be about this, and solely this.

We don’t want Americans parachuting in there, but we do want to see victory by those who do not want Islamic fundamentalism taking over.


6 posted on 07/10/2013 8:10:46 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. A total power struggle by competing fascists.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 8:11:44 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

We didn’t pull aid when Morsi was openly referring to us as his enemies. Pulling aid now would just be proving our support for the brotherhood to the Egyptian people. Unlike Syria we have a dog in this fight. The Egyptian Army has shown that they prioritize the welfare of their country over their own political gain and they are the only ones with a shot a returning Egypt to a somewhat stable, not actively anti West, government. They don’t need any more F-16s they DON’T need US troops but if they need some money for bullets, we should give it to them.

Or here’s a better idea: Tell DHS to give the 2700 APCs and 1.9 billion rounds of ammunition that they have been quietly stocking up to the Egyptian Army. That should help.


8 posted on 07/10/2013 8:21:23 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: TADSLOS

The mideast would be virtually no different if it were completely populated and under the control of the American left and it would be pretty indistinguishable from what it is today.

You probably wouldn’t have muslims but you would have paganism of some sort and a campaign of extermination against Christians and Jews. (and anyone else who opposed them)


9 posted on 07/10/2013 8:24:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: yoe

Islam has created a great ignorant ghetto of Egypt. The majority cannot read, over 90% of the women have been mutilated, they have very little science, technology or innovation. You’ve got tens of millions of people existing very much as though they are monkeys.

Combine that with the fact that their food supply is day to day, you’ve got a fragile situation.

Here’s the hope: the God of Israel loves the Egyptians. See Isa. 19.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 8:27:21 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Dilbert San Diego
When Mubarak was overthrown, Obama rushed out, gave a speech, in which he praised these Arab spring revolutions, and how freedom and democracy was coming to Egypt now, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Obama was fundamentally wrong about what is happening in that part of the world. These countries are NOT overthrowing dictators and then moving on to western style parliamentary democracy. Obama in his liberal naivete, or his lack of knowledge of history and world affairs, is clueless about things.

We don’t know what is going to happen in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc. and that’s the whole point. We fear that Muslim extremists will take over these countries. Perhaps Obama doesn’t fear that, but many of us do. But for Obama to say that freedom and democracy is coming to the Arab/Muslim world due to these revolutions is absurd.

This is exactly right.

It is always tempting to see things in black-and-white terms: The Good Guys versus The Bad Guys; The Forces of Democracy versus The Forces of Oppression--but it is entirely possible for both sides to be not-so-good.

President Obama's touting of "the Arab Spring"--and his tut-tutting as regarding the dictators that were overthrown--appears to overlook this simple fact...

11 posted on 07/10/2013 8:36:11 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Obama in his liberal naivete, or his lack of knowledge of history and world affairs, is clueless about things.

No he's not. In that time of life when one goes to school to learn world history, Zero was in Indonesia. Guess what brand of "history" he studied?

You can bet that he learned more about the Meddle East than most any Western educated student.

12 posted on 07/10/2013 8:45:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: yoe

A civil war and a holy war at the same time...

That should be more fun than the Crusades!


13 posted on 07/10/2013 8:49:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I disagree that Obama is clueless- he is PART OF the muslim brotherhood, and knew exactly what he was doing (or at least the puppet masters controlling him did.)

Then again, he himself may be too stupid to know what he is doing (so your point would be valid).

Either way, the result it the same- he is enabling the muslim takeover to institute a caliphate


14 posted on 07/10/2013 8:52:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: yoe

Did you know Islam is a religion of peace?


15 posted on 07/10/2013 8:59:16 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce

Bush set us back at least 25 years in properly addressing Islam with that nonsense.


16 posted on 07/10/2013 9:07:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: LibFreeUSA
So providing financial aid in this case might be a good idea? I think we provided aid when Sadat began to broker peace with Israel way back in the late 70s, early 80s.
17 posted on 07/10/2013 9:16:48 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

That was always my opinion about the situation in former Yugoslavia. The Serbians were no saints, but neither were their enemies.


18 posted on 07/10/2013 9:17:58 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes, I recall his state of the union address calling Islam a religion of peace. I turned off the TV right there and then.


19 posted on 07/10/2013 9:18:47 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: yoe

I think the “War to Defend Against Islam” will happen when non-mooselimbs finally stand up to the mooselimbs. The only thing preventing this “Holy War” is non-mooselimbs always giving in to them.


20 posted on 07/10/2013 9:23:21 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: yoe

“Heading”???

They’re pretty much there.

At least the Koranimals already think so.


21 posted on 07/10/2013 9:38:22 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The Won was just saying what was on his teleprompter.

The barbarians who orchestrated this whole “Arab Spring” silliness knew exactly what was going to happen.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 9:49:53 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sam Gamgee
"So providing financial aid in this case might be a good idea?"

Yes. I feel it is. Absolutely. It's make or break time for the good guys. If not now, when?

23 posted on 07/10/2013 11:15:45 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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