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Asiana pilot says saw flash of light during landing
Politico ^ | 7/10/13 7:13 PM EDT | KEVIN ROBILLARD |

Posted on 07/10/2013 4:38:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin

The pilot at the helm of the Asiana Airlines flight told investigators he saw a flash of light while trying to land the plane and was temporarily blinded, National Transportation Safety Board Chairwoman Debbie Hersman said on Wednesday

“We really don’t know what it could’ve been,” Hersman said when asked if the flash could’ve been a laser of some type.

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1 posted on 07/10/2013 4:38:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

He probably thought he was going to die.


2 posted on 07/10/2013 4:39:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BenLurkin
I KNOW WHAT IT WAS...PICK ME...PICK ME

It was his career blowing up in his face.

3 posted on 07/10/2013 4:40:46 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: BenLurkin

So this flash of light somehow altered his approach profile?


4 posted on 07/10/2013 4:42:23 PM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: BenLurkin

It doesn’t appear that they knew they were in trouble till it was already too late. I doubt a flash of light would have made much difference a few seconds out.


5 posted on 07/10/2013 4:42:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: diogenes ghost

It blowed up real good.


6 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
He should have pulled out sooner in that case and the copilot should have taken over. It could have been taliban, alkiada...
7 posted on 07/10/2013 4:46:50 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s possible someone was pointing a laser at the plane. If true, it would be interesting to see if a careful examination of surveillance video sheds any light on the identity of the culprit.


8 posted on 07/10/2013 4:46:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BenLurkin
bull-pucky !

9 posted on 07/10/2013 4:48:13 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: mountainlion

Michigan Militia did it!


10 posted on 07/10/2013 4:48:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I’m not buying it unless what was said on the cockpit recorder somehow verifies it.


11 posted on 07/10/2013 4:49:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

I will no longer believe any stories of lasers causing airplane crashes after watching the Egyptian footage of helicopters circling the crowds. Those helicopters looked like they were painted green and red from all the hundreds of lasers on them, and the pilots cruised around without a care.


12 posted on 07/10/2013 4:49:47 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

LOL good point. The choppers looked like they were lit up with strobe lights.


13 posted on 07/10/2013 4:51:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin

[I’m not buying it unless what was said on the cockpit recorder somehow verifies it.]

Right. What was the altitude and speed of the plane when this flash occurred?


14 posted on 07/10/2013 4:54:03 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: BenLurkin
unless he saw sunlight bouncing off the water cause he was short... cBS!!!
15 posted on 07/10/2013 4:55:40 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: teletech

Exactly. How did a flash change his speed and approach.


16 posted on 07/10/2013 4:57:38 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: BenLurkin
I doubt that it was a laser. He's well over the Bay at that point, and coming in at 280 degrees at 12:00PM, when the sun is straight overhead.

Unless someone was on the tarmac pointing a laser at the plane, or someone in a car on the San Mateo Bridge, or someone was on a boat in the water between the plane and the runway, I doubt it's possible to flash the pilot at that point in the approach.

BTW, there are always windsurfers in the Bay off of the runway who are riding the wake from the planes.

-PJ

17 posted on 07/10/2013 4:57:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: BenLurkin

The sun, while the plane was cartwheeling?


18 posted on 07/10/2013 4:59:54 PM PDT by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: BenLurkin

I read today that one of the relief pilots said the nose was so high that the runway couldn’t be seen by the crew. So did this so-called flash of light come from the sky?


19 posted on 07/10/2013 5:01:56 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: BenLurkin

Well this proves that it wasn’t mechanical error. The pilots wouldn’t be making such trasnparent claims otherwise.


20 posted on 07/10/2013 5:06:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: BenLurkin

Hey Lee, lying does not make things better.


21 posted on 07/10/2013 5:11:16 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: BenLurkin

Bush’s fault.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 5:13:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: BenLurkin

That was the blinding flash of OH CRAP, I BLEW IT!


23 posted on 07/10/2013 5:15:25 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS

All pilots fear the cry of the OH NO bird.


24 posted on 07/10/2013 5:22:09 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: BenLurkin

My guess.. Asian pride. Pilot is saying this to save face.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 5:22:33 PM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Dan(9698)

That’s the clean version. Lol.


26 posted on 07/10/2013 5:24:07 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: eartrumpet

Saw that. Wondered what the pilots thought about it.


27 posted on 07/10/2013 5:26:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Flash of light? I suspect a white Hispanic.


28 posted on 07/10/2013 5:27:05 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: BenLurkin

It was his career dissapation light. It went into high gear.


29 posted on 07/10/2013 5:27:57 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Zhang Fei

What he actually saw was the end of his career as a commercial pilot; “QUICK; I NEED AN EXCUSE, OR SOME BODY ELSE TO BLAME”.


30 posted on 07/10/2013 5:31:40 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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31 posted on 07/10/2013 5:35:58 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: BenLurkin

So, did that flash of light come right after screaming, “Jesus take the wheel!”, cuz we know it wasn’t you that saved all those passengers.


32 posted on 07/10/2013 5:41:04 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: BenLurkin

We need the Ancient Aliens guy here.


33 posted on 07/10/2013 5:42:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: 5th MEB
What he actually saw was the end of his career as a commercial pilot; “QUICK; I NEED AN EXCUSE, OR SOME BODY ELSE TO BLAME”.

Pilots have been blinded by lasers before and civilians have been arrested and sentenced to prison terms for this offense. It probably depends on the timing. The guy wielding the laser might have fortuitously hit the sweet spot, the critical moments during which any mistake would have caused an accident. A guy with 10,000 flying hours doesn't seem like someone who would crash an idiot-proof plane like a large commercial jet by accident. Yes, it was his first landing at SFO, but every pilot has a first time.

34 posted on 07/10/2013 5:50:43 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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35 posted on 07/10/2013 5:54:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: BenLurkin

Sun reflecting off something probably.
but not their fault of course...


36 posted on 07/10/2013 5:54:51 PM PDT by BuddaBudd (F U B O)
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To: tennmountainman

A flash could have blinded him for a few seconds, delaying his recognition of a developing situation. Perhaps if he had noticed a few seconds earlier, he would have had enough time to correct the problem.

In any case, we won’t know until the investigation report is released.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 5:57:49 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: BenLurkin

Oh sure there was a light, oh sure!


38 posted on 07/10/2013 6:02:53 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: BenLurkin
BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha! ! ! ! !

A flash of light does not make you low and slow at the fence, bubba.

Stand up like a man a take your medicine.
YOU SCREWED UP!

39 posted on 07/10/2013 6:09:31 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: BenLurkin

I am a retired ATC out of SFO. I worked SFO Bay Approach at NCT (Area B)and we dealt with foreign pilots on a regular basis.

If you get a couple of them on frequency at the same time and you are having a problem with them reading back your clearances in a manner that you think is correct and you have to keep going back to them to verify, you can “go down the shitter” pretty quick.

That is one issue.

I can’t verify, but I have heard that the requirement to speak English (the universal language in ATC) is very lax. This would not surprise me from my experience. A few have told me that it is just a matter of them checking a box on a form.

Here is an issue that is not being brought up and might be a factor in this accident. Cockpit/Crew Resource Management CRM is a bit different in the Asian Culture. There is a tendency to not question your superiors. This can have disastrous consequences in the cockpit.

I am not sure about the dynamics that were in play on this flight with training going on etc... but someone should have said something sooner.

I have always felt that it would be very very easy for a reporter looking for a story to get a scanner and monitor the traffic at SFO or any other international airport and document just how bad the language barrier is.

Also read just now that at least one of the pilots that was being interviewed was using a translator. HMmmmmmmm..... That does not surprise me at all.


40 posted on 07/10/2013 6:19:53 PM PDT by Jayster
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To: BenLurkin

The one from the indicator saying “you’re too low dummy”


41 posted on 07/10/2013 6:25:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: IamConservative

Lying to save your butt from criminal prosecution isn’t a uniquely Asian trait.


42 posted on 07/10/2013 6:42:22 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: eartrumpet

It would depend on the power of the laser and the beam width at the plane.

The lasers seen in Egypt are little low power laser pointers with beam width of a few inches at a distance.

A high power laser with a wide beam width at target distance. As in wide enough to cover the entire cockpit window. Then the pilots are not going to see crap, no mater how hard they try and squint their eyes.


43 posted on 07/10/2013 6:45:57 PM PDT by Rage cat
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To: BenLurkin

we call it the SUN


44 posted on 07/10/2013 6:47:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Chode

bump


45 posted on 07/10/2013 6:48:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
only possibility i can see anyway... unless he's simply lying that is
46 posted on 07/10/2013 7:02:02 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BenLurkin

Was that his career flashing before his eyes?


47 posted on 07/10/2013 7:03:12 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: BenLurkin

IBM (In Before Mockery!)

Oooooops, sorry, I’m late.


48 posted on 07/10/2013 7:04:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Chode

that is very likely


49 posted on 07/10/2013 7:08:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: exDemMom

That “developing situation” started in Seoul, Korea when the pilots were planning the flight. In my opinion, the error chain began there with a poorly matched check pilot (trainer) and a weak Captain and crew. Most likely, the crew missed the fact that the ILS approach facilities were out of service for 28L and 28R. Knowing this, they would have had a flight across the entire Pacific Ocean to plan a non precision approach using the excellent Flight Management Computer to build an approach with alignment and glide path information that could have been autopilot coupled and flown to 300 or 400 feet. “Flash of Light”? I sincerely doubt it.


50 posted on 07/10/2013 7:24:28 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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