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Employee 'failed to properly set the brakes' on runaway train that hit Canadian town.....
Daily Mail ^ | 7-10-13

Posted on 07/10/2013 8:25:29 PM PDT by rawhide

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To: RBStealth
I watched "Unstoppable" just hours before this wreck occurred. Bizarre coincidence.
21 posted on 07/10/2013 9:30:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: rawhide

On a truck you set the brakes and the spring brakes apply the pressure. You can bleed off all the air and the brakes stay on. All of ours had spring brakes on all four drivers. The trailers didn’t have them.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 9:31:33 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: rawhide

These trains should not be left unattended period. Especially with a cargo like that.


23 posted on 07/10/2013 9:34:09 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Here is an informative thread on train brakes:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120225065552AAHkHaP


24 posted on 07/10/2013 9:38:32 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: headstamp 2

I totally agree. The engineer should never have left it unattended. He needed to wait until he was relieved.

Also, there should always be two people working together, in case one gets hurt or gets in trouble.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 9:40:29 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

That was good. From that thread

” However, spring brakes are used as a parking brake on modern trains. In the the simple air and vacuum brake systems, when a train was parked out of service for any length of time, the crew had to remember to apply the hand brakes (screwing it down), otherwise the air would sooner or later leak out of the system and allow the brakes to release. Modern trains have auxiliary brake cylinders with powerful springs to apply the brakes. Whilst the train is ‘cut in’, with the compressors running, compressed air is supplied to these auxiliary cylinders to hold the brakes off. When the train is parked and ‘cut out’, the air eventually leaks away, allowing the springs to apply the parking brakes. These auxiliary brakes are only sufficient to hold the train stationary on any gradient, and are not used in service. Source(s): Retired UK Train Driver”


26 posted on 07/10/2013 9:52:45 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Republican1795.

There should have been two engineers on the job. The company was running big risks by running so bare boned.

For the sake of $100,000 engineer, a billion dollar accident happened.


27 posted on 07/10/2013 10:31:50 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: rawhide

Great so your rail-line kills 30 some people and you’re going to pin it on an employee, ruin his life, probably gonna go to prison for the rest of his life.

Way to run a company 101.


28 posted on 07/11/2013 12:09:09 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: RBStealth

Please... totally different things. That movie was so ridiculous. Not realistic at all.


29 posted on 07/11/2013 1:26:49 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Steely Tom
“Locomotives don’t have dead man’s switches any more?”

The dead man's switch only works while the engine is running. The only way to secure the train is to set the manual brakes and chock the wheels. That way if the air bleeds down on the air brakes you're not depending on them alone to immobilize the train.

30 posted on 07/11/2013 2:12:45 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01

I had been under the impression that such brakes were “Normally Closed” systems, where lack of air pressure resulted in the railroad car applying it’s brakes automatically. That way, if a RR car is decoupled and loose, it naturally brakes. Am I mistaken.

(Never worked as a Friction Engineer.)


31 posted on 07/11/2013 2:24:13 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Assuming one engineer failed to follow procedure spelled out by the company that would have prevented this, how is the entire company liable?

I used to be a nuke engineer and the possibility of a mistake always kept me half awake at night. I’m too old for that now.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 5:22:16 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Cvengr
My point is when you secure a train on an incline, it does not make sense to rely totally on the air brakes to work. Instead, I would have set the brakes on other cars in the train and chocked the wheels so the train could not move. Securing the train means SECURE the train so that you cannot have a runaway. Obviously, the train was not secured, what brakes that were applied could not keep the train from rolling down the incline, and this terrible accident happend when the runaway derailed.
33 posted on 07/11/2013 7:45:40 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: varyouga

It just seems to me that they are scape goating some random employee. He said he set the brakes, they say he didn’t.

I want more information, but gut reaction says they are putting the blame on him.


34 posted on 07/11/2013 10:03:19 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: FreedomStar3028

“I want more information, but gut reaction says they are putting the blame on him.”

Well, explain how the company might be liable. The only possibility I can think of is that the brakes were not maintained and they covered it up.


35 posted on 07/11/2013 10:17:39 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I read something that said there were no warning sensors going off for some odd minutes that should have. The engineer could not have set the brakes, but the engineer can’t possibly be responsible for the entire scenario, can he?


36 posted on 07/11/2013 10:21:52 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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