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In Venezuela, Snowden Can Prepare For Life As A Pawn
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 10 July 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 07/11/2013 12:34:49 PM PDT by IBD editorial writer

Diplomacy: National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden seems to have taken Venezuela's asylum offer, an odd choice for a man supposedly motivated by a desire for transparency. He should prepare for life as a pawn. U.S. surveillance is "not something I am willing to live under," Snowden told the U.K. Guardian's Glenn Greenwald, in a story published Monday, condemning yet again the NSA, whose operations, he claims, motivated him to hack into its computers, steal U.S. secrets, leak them to the press, and then flee a $100,000-a-year job and a pole-dancing girlfriend on the island paradise of Hawaii for a life on the lam. His whining to Greenwald now has a hollow ring, assuming he can exit the Moscow airport transit lounge where he is marooned with a cancelled passport, because Venezuela is far, far worse. Venezuela, contrary to its claims of sovereignty, is a nation run by totalitarian Cuba's security organs, a sort of zombie state under the same goons who keep watch over ordinary Cubans in the crudest surveillance this side of North Korea.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: castro; cuba; cubazuela; edwardsnowden; goons; leaker; leaks; nationasecurity; nsa; snowden; venezuela; whistleblower
Waiting For Snowden In Havana
1 posted on 07/11/2013 12:34:49 PM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

Bolivia. Evo Morales is highly pissed over the airplane stunt. He will likely fly to Moscow personally to pick-him up and bring him back to La Paz. Will earn street cred by sticking it in Obama’s eye.


2 posted on 07/11/2013 12:38:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IBD editorial writer

Sounds like he should stay in Russia. Maybe Putin got all Snowden has to give so it’s either be killed or S. America.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 12:39:46 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: IBD editorial writer
Going to Venezuela is retarded.

Iceland is cool though.

4 posted on 07/11/2013 12:47:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MichaelCorleone

Putin is finished with him. There’s no upside for Moscow to keep him around.


5 posted on 07/11/2013 12:48:54 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

If Venezuela takes him in, I think Obama’s hand (or his handlers’) becomes more likely to be involved in the whole affair. Consanguinists of Zero’s departed friend Hugo are still in charge there. Or, would ‘Venezuela’ mean a Venezuelan Embassy somewhere in ... Australia, or some such place? Either Snowden will assume room temperature quickly, or the Administration is trying to make something else desirable happen with Snowden’s continued existence.

HF


6 posted on 07/11/2013 12:49:02 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Evo Morales is highly pissed over the airplane stunt.

There's not a whole lot of evidence that it actually happened in the first place.

His plane refueled in Austria.

That's the only verifiable part of the story.

Which agency supposedly searched his plane?

What French government authority denied him airspace?

We have Evo's word on it. Which isn't worth much.

7 posted on 07/11/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Paladin2

The only thing I know of that Venezuela has going for it is, their Santa Teresa 1796 rum is some of the best on the planet.


8 posted on 07/11/2013 12:50:26 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: IBD editorial writer
If he's not willing to live under surveillance, then Venezuela is a poor choice.

As a controversial foreigner, he will be monitored 24/7 by "Bolivarian volunteers."

9 posted on 07/11/2013 12:51:17 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LaPaz? Where Che bought it?


10 posted on 07/11/2013 12:57:00 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: wideawake

And the great thing is that he will get vacations
in Iran and Cuba.


11 posted on 07/11/2013 12:58:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Wildcard: Iran.
Good food, good beaches, blue laws are pretty strict, though.


12 posted on 07/11/2013 1:04:09 PM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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To: IBD editorial writer

I believe Venezuela has plenty of pole-dancing women, so he won’t be lacking in that regard.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 1:04:55 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SMARTY
LaPaz? Where Che bought it?

Ranked by a BBC travelogue as "The World's Worst Capital"


14 posted on 07/11/2013 1:05:16 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ha! I read that Fidel sent Che there with the full and final intention of getting rid of him.

Che made himself VERY inconvenient!

I guess inconvenient people go to LaPaz!


15 posted on 07/11/2013 1:08:38 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: IBD editorial writer

So, did you actually write the article?


16 posted on 07/11/2013 1:09:51 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: SMARTY

You are right, Castro borrowed from the Stalin playbook...kill a potential rival, then use him as a martyr.


17 posted on 07/11/2013 1:11:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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18 posted on 07/11/2013 1:11:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

19 posted on 07/11/2013 1:14:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I haven’t read much on what secrets he’s revealed,
but most of them seem to be about our government
spying on its own citizens.
And not on potential terrorists [ie, muslims],
but on political opponents of the socialist expansion of power.

So... I’m pretty much rootin’ for Snowden and against the American Regime on this one.


20 posted on 07/11/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: IBD editorial writer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10


21 posted on 07/11/2013 1:17:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: IBD editorial writer

So far Snowden has been offered asylum in several countries but the problem is that he can’t figure out how to get to any of them without flying over a country with an extradition treaty.


22 posted on 07/11/2013 1:17:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: MrB

Same here, for identical reasons.


23 posted on 07/11/2013 1:20:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

In Venezuela, Snowden can prepare for life as a pawn

In America, Snowden can prepare for life as a pawn ... unless things change immediately and decisively!

Keep shredding the Constitution and with it the rule of law ... grant amnesty and citizenship to millions of illegal aliens from third world countries ... place a majority of the voting public on the public teat ... continue to regulate and tax both businesses and productive individuals into oblivion ... fail to control government spending ... kill the currency ... destroy the economy ... undermine morality ... shout down and shut off intelligent public debate ... take away an independent and free thinking media ... ruin education ... replace the military with a KGB style policing gestapo ... remove opportunity and freedom ... and you have life as a pawn!

And brother, we are racing down that path at breakneck speed!

24 posted on 07/11/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats: Making everything free in this country except you)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Must be something ‘unpleasant’ about to come out. Opinion shapers are circling like hawks on this case.


25 posted on 07/11/2013 1:29:47 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: txhurl

Yep, I noticed.


26 posted on 07/11/2013 1:30:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: Paladin2

Very. Sittin’ in a thermal spa sippin’ a cold one rather than sweating away in a jungle...


27 posted on 07/11/2013 1:32:35 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

They are also free to go play in the snow and icy glaciers with their SUVs.


28 posted on 07/11/2013 1:36:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: holden

Or, would ‘Venezuela’ mean a Venezuelan Embassy somewhere in ... Australia, or some such place?


Good point. Snowden’s top choices require he be in-country before granting asylum. Guess I’ll go look for an Ecuadorian or Venezuelan embassy in Iceland. Step outside the embassy, BOOM, you’re now in-country.


29 posted on 07/11/2013 1:41:43 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: MrB
....” most of them seem to be about our government”...

..and China...and Britain...and International Allies...and he’’s passed the documents he has to unknown sources....which should concern everybody.

.... the fact is he's a fool...and his situation is a direct result of ‘his decisions’ to lie, steal and run like the rat he is.

Frankly he's revealed nothing not already known by those informed...and the Int’l. Leaders are playing their “scripted” responses... but they all know they “spy” and so do we”...no news to them either.

Sooo...he's stuck...or better said “cornered”...which like with Assange was the plan.

He's got a heck of a dilemma getting to Venezuela by air...might better go in a hole in a cargo ship...but that's a very long ride.....

30 posted on 07/11/2013 1:55:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: txhurl
Must be something ‘unpleasant’ about to come out. Opinion shapers are circling like hawks on this case.

There are some articles floating around today that Microsoft was giving the NSA some kind of access to Outlook, Skype, and SkyDrive, but that's probably not what you are thinking about.

Snowden is a dead man walking. Most of us paying attention here on FR and elsewhere knew serious things were happening in 2003 and on, but Snowden forced the issue, such that the average American found out. That's a big no-no. It might not be Obama's administration, but some future administration will get him.
31 posted on 07/11/2013 1:58:50 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I guess it depends on his ‘insurance’ policies and whether he agreed with Putin to ‘stop leaking stuff about the USA’.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 2:07:10 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: MrB

“I’m pretty much rootin’ for Snowden and against the American Regime on this one.”

Same here; he exposed our government (and more importantly the Obama regime) as an dictatorship.


33 posted on 07/11/2013 2:11:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: clintonh8r
Putin is finished with him. There’s no upside for Moscow to keep him around.

Putin made Snowden an offer of an STFU-asylum in Russia and Snowden didn't realize that Putin doesn't entertain counter-offers. Putin, in his comment about shaving a pig results in a lot of noise but no fleece, means this punk's troubles aren't worth a minute of Putin's attention.

Snowden's only way out is valid passport issued by a sympathetic country. His entry into Russia is permanently barred. And so Snowden is twisting slowly in the transit-area of Moscow airport.

No airline will carrying him unless it flies non-stop to the receiving country. I can think of only one that will: Air Koryo (North Korea).

34 posted on 07/11/2013 2:18:21 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Procyon

No airline will carrying him unless it flies non-stop to the receiving country.


Why do you say that?


35 posted on 07/11/2013 2:29:49 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: caww
Traitor or not this is the treatment of those for formerly worked in Government or government agencies who came out and told the truth about the abuses of government.
36 posted on 07/11/2013 9:14:52 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Again...what has Snowden revealed that hasn’t been already out there to see? ..Nothing...

The truth is there for all who want to know it..and has been....some choose to ignore it..others deny it...some even excuse it....others don’t bother to know rather have the daily media inform them, with all it’s spin and slant.

We know how governments operate...and we know that if media wants a good story they’ll make one to feed the public while OBOZO continues to duck and weave..especially when the public is engaged with these media stories.

However people want to think...Snowden knew well ahead of taking the job at NSA that his intention was to steal “documents”...that is pre-meditated...and he was a pawn in the hands of Assange and the new meal ticket for him to gain popularity, which was fast eclipsing as was his bankroll...Snowden bought into Assanges plan.


37 posted on 07/11/2013 11:44:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
what has Snowden revealed that hasn’t been already out there to see? ..Nothing...

Plenty. Notably, Snowden has revealed that the NSA spys on Americans inside the U.S. That was previously denied by the government, to include lying to Congress in statute-mandated briefings. The consequences are enormous, including the likihood that the Executive is blackmailing members of the Legislative and Judicial Branches: Justice Roberts, for example. Is the NSA the reason we are stuck with ObamaCare? This is the rationale for the comments above that we live in a dictatorship.

Snowden is not just letting the average American know what knowledgeable Americans have always known. Snowden's information was not previously known beyond the intelligence community.

38 posted on 07/12/2013 12:15:06 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard

Snowden actions, regardless of the public knowing or not...is still against the law...and his actions continue to be so...and that is the bottom line.

I understand the “possibilities” people attempt to claim “might” be as a result of Snowdens actions...that still does not excuse the facts, which are not only known but admitted by Snowden,... that he has purposely palnned, and with intent, sought and stole US Gov. Intellegence ‘Documents’..and lied to accomplish these actions with the purpose of distributing them to whom “HE” determined...and which he has stated he has done just that.

It did not take Snowden for anyone to know our country is being led to a dictatorship......


39 posted on 07/12/2013 4:37:41 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Snowden has broken the law and must face the consequences. I do, however, believe that his disclosures have had a much needed salutary effect on our political culture.


40 posted on 07/12/2013 7:36:23 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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