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Posted on 07/11/2013 7:23:11 PM PDT by Mozilla
The House Republican leadership is reaching out to top House Democrats to assess their support for a piecemeal approach to immigration reform, according to sources involved in the discussions.
The House’s immigration gameplan is to pass individual bills rather than take the comprehensive approach advocated by the Senate. Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) team isn’t trying to cut a deal with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), these aides caution. But deeply-divided Republicans want to get a read on what members of the minority party would back when immigration reform comes to the floor.
The legislation under discussion between Republicans and Democrats includes bills reworking the employment verification system and legislation to toughen border security, according to sources both involved in and familiar with the talks. In strategy sessions and planning meetings, Republicans have said that support for immigration reform is soft among GOP lawmakers — and leadership is skeptical that there is backing for anything more drastic than border security and E-verify.
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These contacts are in the early stages, but the discussions are aimed at running up big bipartisan majorities for a series of GOP-authored bills, that could counter the bipartisan Senate bill. In short, Democrats would smooth the prospects for passage.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
1. Build fence
2. Deport all illegals
3. Talk about immigration reform
It better stay that way.
Republicans have been whipped so long by the democrats they just want to please their captors now.
gop assclown parade.
I suppose it's useless to ask why they don't want to get a read about what their base wants.
Traitors to their oaths, to their trust, and to We The People.
Right. Stockholm syndrome.
“But deeply-divided Republicans want to get a read on what members of the minority party would back when immigration reform comes to the floor.”
Enforce existing law. No Bill. No excuses.
Lets hope it is that way. I have no trust in the GOP to do not pull a fast one. It seems like they want to get a deal done in the house when they should not be doing a thing but up holding laws and securing the border only.
They don’t need Dem votes for “bills reworking the employment verification system and legislation to toughen border security”.
And that’s ALL they should pass for now.
Make the Senate Dems amd Obama block enforcement- and the ‘reform’ that would follow after it’s signed.
This article makes no sense, but it’s about the House Leasership so it’s probgably accurate.
I don’t know why in the hell I voted for you, all of these years. You are now known as democrat gop lite (D) vs. Greater Democrat DNC (D). I cannot see the difference, so GOODBYE! I don’t think I ever really knew YE! YOU HAVE NEVER EARNED MY VOTE. YOU DON’T DESERVE MY VOTE, and IF I WANTED TO VOTE DEMOCRAT, I WOULD DO SO! BUH BYE!
I got a survey in the mail from the GOP. Guess what issue they didn't ask about?
Category for the "survey": trash.
How about if we organize a mass exodus from the Republican Party for a week? I suggest that we form a column of Republicans who demand that
Boehner cuts the crap; that we all march down to flood Town offices and withdraw our party affiliation on an exact given day. First weekday in August sounds good. If within the week, Boehner demonstrates no more silliness, then we will all re-register as Republicans at our Town Clerk’s offices. Let’s do it. And let’s do it en masse.
Well played.
Preparing to sell out.
I’ll tell you what.
There comes a time to make a move.
But not for a week. I think this may be the year, or at least the Presidential race coming up, to move from the GOP.
That is not a done deal yet. I myself have not moved yet, but every day I get closer.
But not for a week.
Just saying...
Great idea. What could possibly go wrong?
If the house passes a single issue immigration bill like on 'borders only' then it makes zero sense to send it to committee conference with the Senate bill. Those are apples and oranges. Let the Senate pass a similar bill if they want conference.
The House leadership needs to promise that no bill goes to conference without a separate GOP vote on sending it, versus just passing a limited bill and just sending it to Reid ‘as is’ DOA to score political points (that they need) as they do that all the time.
Beware of Republicans who are dying to make a deal w Dems like Rubio. That is where the knife comes in.,
August 5th. Spread the word. Drop your party affiliation for a week. We can label it “Boehner’s Boner” , “Rino Legacy” , or some such.
I have heard the term "comprehensive immigration" in news stories often enough to make me nervous, but Boehner's statement yesterday hints that he doesn't want one big whopper bill. We'll see.
What if they pass 10 or 12 immigration bills in the House? Can they throw all of them in conference with the senate bill?
So one day after Politico proclaims immigration reform Dead,the a-holes in the Republican party cave,I would like to be surprised,but I am not
This is an idea the house leadership is throwing around but hasnt expained how it would work. Have we ever seen anyone try this before?
In that case it sounds like they would still be taking a bill to conference that has not been voted on by the House, it would still be a new bill.
With all the cursing about how Pelosi got Obama-care passed she didnt try something hokey like that. She always managed to get the votes she needed.
” In that case it sounds like they would still be taking a bill to conference that has not been voted on by the House, it would still be a new bill.
With all the cursing about how Pelosi got Obama-care passed she didnt try something hokey like that. She always managed to get the votes she needed. “
Yep
If our people are stupid enough to ‘reach out to dems’ we need to form a new party.
We wouldn’t work with NAZI’s and we shouldn’t work with democrats - they’re two peas in a pod.
Is there any written rule which prohibits the House from putting multiple bills in conference?
Both parties get very creative in the cause of doing evil. Remember how Louise Slaughter wanted to "deem" Obamacare passed? Harry Reid's "clay pigeon" mechanism in 2007?
” Both parties get very creative in the cause of doing evil. Remember how Louise Slaughter wanted to “deem” Obamacare passed? Harry Reid’s “clay pigeon” mechanism in 2007? “
Yes, to both.
What if they pass 10 or 12 immigration bills in the House? Can they throw all of them in conference with the senate bill?”
This is an idea the house leadership is throwing around but hasnt expained how it would work. Have we ever seen anyone try this before?
In that case it sounds like they would still be taking a bill to conference that has not been voted on by the House, it would still be a new bill.In that case it sounds like they would still be taking a bill to conference that has not been voted on by the House, it would still be a new bill.
Is there any written rule which prohibits the House from putting multiple bills in conference?
Both parties get very creative in the cause of doing evil. Remember how Louise Slaughter wanted to "deem" Obamacare passed? Harry Reid's "clay pigeon" mechanism in 2007?
Since congress makes the rules, practically there is almost no rule that majority leadership must follow except the vote count, but if they were to magically invent and pull a Senate like (or light) bill out of committee then what would be the point?
That a majority of House Republicans would find it more acceptable then they do the current Senate bill, and at the same time Reid could get >59 for that same new bill too?
And that those same House Republicans wouldnt be resentful and vote against it instead?
And did Reid change that rule yet?
I would have to charge a nominal fee to answer all of these question.
My point if they pull too sleazy of a trick they will get what happened on farm bill, they will lose the vote anyway.
And Bohner publically said it has to be a GOP majority bill.
So he has to get more that half of Republicans with a bunch of Dems to vote for it.
Yes.
According to the "joint statement" Boehner issued Wednesday, The American people want our border secured, our laws enforced, and the problems in our immigration system fixed to strengthen our economy. But they don’t trust a Democratic-controlled Washington, and they’re alarmed by the president’s ongoing insistence on enacting a single, massive, Obamacare-like bill rather than pursuing a step-by-step, common-sense approach to actually fix the problem.
Of course, they could try a House Comprehensive Immigration bill that is 50 pages shorter than the senate bill, but to most rational people, that would hardly be the step-by-step approached promised.
” According to the “joint statement” Boehner issued Wednesday, The American people want our border secured, our laws enforced, and the problems in our immigration system fixed to strengthen our economy. But they don’t trust a Democratic-controlled Washington, and they’re alarmed by the president’s ongoing insistence on enacting a single, massive, Obamacare-like bill rather than pursuing a step-by-step, common-sense approach to actually fix the problem.”
That was such a great line of BS.......told us nothing, as usual : )
This is a variation of the Rubio line,
Rubio kept saying ‘People want immigration reform but they been let down so often on the border that its hard for them to trust us. If Obama had closed the border we would have immigration reform(amnesty) now”
The common is the dig at Obama. See?? they got our back.
I think you are supporting my point in the above.
Bohner has made too many public statements to backtrack on them and pull something sleazy to get around them.
Bohner is weak and not so smart but I don't think he is an Obama or Rubio(an ambitious deceitful liar willing to say anything), and the rebellion it would cause against him would be worse than if he never make any of those promises at all.
At a minimum I think he will only pass something with a majority of GOP support, we just dont know what that % will be. 51% of GOP house members could still be crap.
Lastly, I think he wants something passed that Obama signs for the traditional reasons(being Speaker), but how he goes about that we will have to watch.
I hope the GOP leaders keep their word. but remember I said "to most rational people." Things that Ryan have said don't seem compatible with a rational person. Is he backpedaling now?
If you look at the house history of Bohner and even Pelosi you don't see them making clear outright public promises about how they will proceed (to their own team) and then stab their own team in the back by doing the exact opposite. Pelosi always got there votes.
Bohner never said he would not put those other bills up for a vote, nor has he made any promises about the farm bill. But he did promise on this with very clear talk.
It may be that he knows that say ~ 48% of GOP house members want a deal, so he needs that extra 3%.
Or it may be that he knows its over and is just trying to talk sweet to latinos (shhh, don't tell them) and run out the clock as wise man perdogg suggested. His predictions are usually very good.
You believe
1) The House GOP members really understood Boehner's statement, and
2) If Boehner put a bunch of smaller bills in conference with the senate biill, (one of the House bille possibly being a dream act), many GOP House members would view that as such a betrayal that they would never forgive him?
Lets avoid making this about me personally. I get too much of that here.
How exactly are you saying that Bohner will get amnesty passed?
1) Will he get the GOP( >50%) votes to pass amnesty?
2) Or will get go to Dems to pass amnesty instead and completely betray his own caucus by doing the exact opposite of what he promised them he wouldn't do?
And a harder one, 3) what will amnesty be? Citizenship?
I'm not. I am just asking what you think.
1) Will he get the GOP( >50%) votes to pass amnesty?
Starting at the least probable result and getting increasingly more probable,
A) path-to-citizenship for all
B) legal status for all
C) path-to-citizenship for Dreamers (within this it's less probable for adults)
D) legal status for Dreamers
2) Or will get go to Dems to pass amnesty instead and completely betray his own caucus by doing the exact opposite of what he promised them he wouldn't do?
OK, this question contains the answer to both of my questions. But to answer your question, I hope not.
And a harder one, 3) what will amnesty be? Citizenship?
See #1.
OK, here is another question. If nothing is going to conference, why do they want to pass all those immigration bills in the House?
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