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TX:Homeowner opens fire on suspects running from police in southwest Houston
khou.com ^ | 10 July, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 07/12/2013 4:31:28 AM PDT by marktwain

It was just after 4.a.m. when officers spotted a speeding pick-up they suspected may have been stolen. They attempted to pull it over and four men jumped out.

Officers started chasing the suspects on foot in a neighborhood near W. Orem Drive and Buffalo Speedway. Police say the men tried to break into a woman’s home and tried to shoot one of her dogs. The dog wasn’t hurt.

The suspects then ran through several neighbor’s yards until one of the homeowners took out his shotgun.

"I aimed at one coming that way, and then one coming the other way. I don’t know if I hit them or not," said the neighbor who didn’t want his name used.

"They won’t be back," his wife said. "They’re not stupid enough."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; fleeing; guncontrol; secondamendment; shotgun; tx
Texas laws allowing deadly force seem to be interpreted pretty liberally by juries these days.
1 posted on 07/12/2013 4:31:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yeah, Texas!

Light up those Trayvons pardner!


2 posted on 07/12/2013 4:35:25 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: marktwain

Excellent.


3 posted on 07/12/2013 4:36:40 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: marktwain

I can’t remember where I read it, but someone said that the chambered bullet in your firearm costs $50,000.

What he meant was this. Fire that bullet in a defensive situation, and you could end up spending $50,000 (or more) defending yourself against criminal charges, lawsuits, etc.

Now, sometimes you got to risk that $50,000 to save a life. But sometimes it’s a foolish.

The homeowner here was foolish, very foolish. If he had hit an innocent person by mistake, he wouldn’t be a homeowner long.


4 posted on 07/12/2013 4:43:38 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

We have a very different view of aggressive self-derfense in Texas. No Texas jury would convict this shooter because Texans want the rats in our society to be exterminated by the cheapest method available.

We have too many criminals and not enough shooters, so we encourage more shooters to get training.


5 posted on 07/12/2013 4:50:05 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee
No Texas jury would convict this shooter...

Probably not. But it would still cost the shooter a pretty penny to properly defend himself in court. It's a shame we don't have loser-pays laws like some other countries do, but that's another story.

6 posted on 07/12/2013 5:00:55 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

The homeowner is crazy...In every CCW and combat handgun course I have taken, the instructors always say, “remember, every bullet that comes out of your weapon has a lawyer attached to it”.

Ask George Zimmerman...his bullet had a bunch of lawyers attached.


7 posted on 07/12/2013 5:12:29 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: marktwain
"They won’t be back," his wife said. "They’re not stupid enough."

I wouldn't bet a nickel of somebody else's money on that.

8 posted on 07/12/2013 5:14:30 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Leaning Right
No, it wouldn't cost much, if it's declared a good shoot. And it was after dark on his property (Texas has some good laws in that regard), so it's a good shoot, per Texas law.

No civil suits can proceed if it's a good shoot

/johnny

9 posted on 07/12/2013 5:14:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cuttnhorse
Then why wasn't this guy charged? Texas has very different laws from most states, after the sun goes down.

/johnny

10 posted on 07/12/2013 5:18:36 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: txrefugee
We have a very different view of aggressive self-derfense in Texas.

After dark, it doesn't even have to be about self defense. It can be about protecting property.

/johnny

11 posted on 07/12/2013 5:21:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

There was a recent case - last year?- where a Texas homeowner witnessed a couple of idiots leaving his neighbor’s house with a bunch of loot. He told them to stop...they didn’t...he opened up with a shotgun and killed one and wounded the other.

He was not charged, BUT, ended up retaining legal counsel and there was a big flap. I personally don’t want that hassle...maybe you do.

Having a weapon does not make a person some kind of law enforcement backup...weapons are for Self Defense, not for taking pot shots at what this nut assumed were fleeing theives. What if the guy he shot at was actually in pursuit of one of the theives?


12 posted on 07/12/2013 5:38:07 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse
weapons are for Self Defense,

And defense of property, in Texas.

/johnny

13 posted on 07/12/2013 5:42:59 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

I haven’t check to see if the law has changed, I suspect it has not. In Texas after the sun goes down you can use deadly force if you find someone on your property. It is very dangerous to enter someone elses’ property at night in Texas.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 5:46:16 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: JRandomFreeper

And some guy running through your property allows you to kill him....OK...hope you have the number of a good lawyer handy.


15 posted on 07/12/2013 5:48:04 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse
Generally not needed, in Texas. There have been a few exceptions. And yes, my lawyer is #1 on speed-dial, but that's more about my habit of getting married when I shouldn't.

/johnny

16 posted on 07/12/2013 5:52:08 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cuttnhorse

Do not go on someone property at night in Texas. I remember another case in Houston on Halloween night. A man from Scotland I think was drunk and confuse and started banging on the wrong door. The homeowner shot him thru the door. Sadly the tourist died. The homeowner was never charged. Deadly force defending property is legal here after the sun goes down.


17 posted on 07/12/2013 5:53:06 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Cuttnhorse

My CCW instructor said if you pull the trigger kill them....don’t wound them.....


18 posted on 07/12/2013 5:54:19 AM PDT by Hogblog
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To: Cuttnhorse

There was a case here where I live about 15 years ago. Some teenager was taking a short cut thru private property at night, just walking home. He was shot and killed, the property owner was never charged.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 5:56:55 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Leaning Right

>>that the chambered bullet in your firearm costs $50,000.<<

The exact reason I became a member of TEXAS LAW SHIELD.

Insurance for CHL holders. Worth every single penny.


20 posted on 07/12/2013 6:02:48 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Leaning Right
It's a shame we don't have loser-pays laws like some other countries do

Texas has since 2011.

Perry signs 'loser pays' lawsuit reform into law

I specifies 'frivolous' lawsuits, and I can't think of a single reason someone trying to sue someone else because they shot their stupid arse for trespassing...... on their property..... at night - to be anything other than 'frivolous'.

21 posted on 07/12/2013 6:55:55 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: marktwain

I may be the only decenter here, but it’s my take that you don’t shoot at folks just because they are running from the police. You do shoot if they run up to you or your property in a threatening manner.

In most places, you have to be in clear fear of your life, to use deadly force.

I think it’s best to allow the police to use deadly force if in fact it needs to used.

People bolt from the police for minor offenses at times. I’d sure hate to have shot a guy dead because he freaked out about being caught for some petty crime.


22 posted on 07/12/2013 7:16:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: Cuttnhorse
There was a recent case - last year?- where a Texas homeowner witnessed a couple of idiots leaving his neighbor’s house with a bunch of loot. He told them to stop...they didn’t...he opened up with a shotgun and killed one and wounded the other.

2007, Joe Horn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

23 posted on 07/12/2013 7:39:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: servantboy777

Texas Law Shield...great idea.


24 posted on 07/12/2013 8:28:38 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: thackney

Thanks


25 posted on 07/12/2013 8:29:04 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re exactly right...imagine driving up to a convenience store, hearing what sounds like gunshots and seeing two guys running out the store...
do you open up on them?
do you try to detain them?
do you unholster your weapon and sit in your car after memorizing a description of the two guys?

I will take door number 3, although my guess is many here on FReep would start blazing away.


26 posted on 07/12/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: marktwain

For all those who have been somewhat cowed by the Zimmerman trial, remember that you might indeed face a few uncomfortable months if you kill a criminal, *or* you might face an eternity of never doing anything ever again.


27 posted on 07/12/2013 8:40:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Cuttnhorse

>>I will take door number 3, although my guess is many here on FReep would start blazing away.<<

Most of them are armchair gunfighters.


28 posted on 07/12/2013 9:22:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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