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Polish parliament shuns religious animal slaughter (kosher and halal)
Associated Press ^ | Jul 12, 2013 8:53 AM EDT

Posted on 07/12/2013 10:00:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Polish parliament’s lower house has voted to reject a government plan to reinstate the religious slaughter of animals. …

Until January, Poland was making good business exporting kosher and halal meat to Israel and Muslim countries, but religious slaughter was banned under pressure from animals’ rights groups, which say it causes unnecessary suffering because the livestock aren’t stunned before being killed. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; antizionism; eussr; halal; islam; kosher; poland; rop
The Netherlands tried this two years ago. This is the way the European Union is going.
1 posted on 07/12/2013 10:00:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Well, that sure puts thw kibosh on Krakus’ expansion plans.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 10:02:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Olog-hai

I hope Poland sticks to their guns on this.


3 posted on 07/12/2013 10:05:46 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t think anybody should get a pass on inhumane treatment of animals. How about a little reformation?


4 posted on 07/12/2013 10:07:02 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

You hate Israel that much, eh?


5 posted on 07/12/2013 10:11:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Pining_4_TX

How far left are you?


6 posted on 07/12/2013 10:11:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Oh please! I don’t care who is doing it, I don’t think animals should be abused.


7 posted on 07/12/2013 10:17:28 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Olog-hai
it causes unnecessary suffering

It has always been my understanding that the method is designed to do exactly the opposite. Small cut to sever the jugular allows for the animal to bleed out. Stunning the beast with a sledge hammer to the head doesn't seem more "humane" to me. Besides, at least in the case of Kosher slaughter (and Halal is more or less parallel) they are rules provided by a higher authority than any government.

8 posted on 07/12/2013 10:20:07 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Better a bolt to the brain than a quick slice I guess. Ey? Do you work for Big Beef?


9 posted on 07/12/2013 10:21:43 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: Pining_4_TX

And this is a conservative POV?


10 posted on 07/12/2013 10:29:34 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: katana

I’m for whatever is the most humane and least cruel. I take it that kosher and halal were so a couple thousand years ago. If there’s a better approach now I can’t believe that that would not be the more Godly approach.

But I know there are competing claims and I’m not certain which is correct.


11 posted on 07/12/2013 10:35:36 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Olog-hai

Conservatives recognize that we have the responsibility of dominion over animals and should exercise that wisely and without cruelty. (I do not know, however, what the least cruel solution now is.)


12 posted on 07/12/2013 10:36:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I can’t speak for halal, but kosher is how Jews slaughter and what G-d told us to do/eat. There’s no changing it, but they can try ejecting Jews (cv’s) and see how their political/national fortunes turn. He who curses the Jews...


13 posted on 07/12/2013 10:37:37 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous

And certainly that was the best solution at the time He was so directing you.

I don’t know whether it still is, but if it isn’t I side with those who enforce the kinder solution. But I probably see a difference at times with the spirit and the letter of the Law and go with the former, whereas you probably don’t.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 10:42:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Agree to disagree.


15 posted on 07/12/2013 10:47:35 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous

Indeed.


16 posted on 07/12/2013 11:02:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Phinneous

Halal is identical. I had a neighbor in Germany who’s brother ran a halal butcher shop in Kreuzberg.

The biggest difference; Muslims can enjoy a cheeseburger - there’s no prohibition on mixing meat and dairy products.

Of course, neither Jews or Muslims can enjoy a bacon double cheeseburger.

Advantage: Goyim. :)


17 posted on 07/12/2013 11:28:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: 9YearLurker
This is how it's been explained to me, but the purpose of the religious injunction is to avoid eating the flesh of animals that have suffered greatly during their slaughter.

It may be apocryphal, but one part of the story of Masada is that the male heads of families, who had to kill their wives and children, received instruction beforehand on how to do it in the ritual manner to avoid causing their loved ones suffering. If the animals are drugged the drugs end up in the meat and consumed. So "put to sleep" method is out. My father, who was a lifelong hunter told me that immediately hanging the carcass of a deer up and draining the blood from it is necessary to avoid the meat becoming "gamy" and all but inedible. Any way it's done it cannot be entirely painless to the animal and in my opinion there's nothing wrong with someone choosing to be a vegetarian for reasons of conscience. Forcing everybody else to go along is.

In terms, as you put it, of a "Godly" procedure the method prescribed by Judaic tradition is probably about as close as you can get without avoiding meat, fish, or fowl altogether. And it's worth noting that the people pushing these prohibitions against a practice dating back thousands of years are the same ones who are trying to ban Jewish circumcision, and the wearing of yarmulkes and crosses by Jewish and Christian believers. It is part and parcel of an effort to ban all but the worship of the state that goes back at least to the French Revolution.

18 posted on 07/12/2013 1:20:01 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana

Are they the same people? I thought it was animal rights groups in particular. And I just don’t know whether there’s been an advancement in nonpainful killings or not.

I agree vegetarianism should be voluntary, but I don’t think there’s any bit of moral superiority to it: in our world if animals don’t have jobs providing some kind of products to people, they mostly don’t exist. I’d rather have animals raised humanely and eaten than not raised at all.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 1:38:50 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

The loud advocates may in fact be an animal rights group. But for there to be a legal ban on these practices the forces who would codify it into law are, in my opinion, the same as those wishing and trying to outlaw any and all public expressions of faith. In other words, I smell in this story the aroma of a familiar rat.


20 posted on 07/12/2013 2:00:48 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana

You may be right. There is a very ugly antisemitism rising in Europe again.


21 posted on 07/12/2013 2:03:00 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Phinneous

No, I don’t even like to think of the fate of the cattle I see along the road, so I am a softy when it comes to animals. However, that doesn’t stop me from having a good burger or steak. ;-)


22 posted on 07/12/2013 7:23:37 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Olog-hai

It is to me.


23 posted on 07/12/2013 7:24:06 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.
Until January, Poland was making good business exporting kosher and halal meat to Israel and Muslim countries, but religious slaughter was banned under pressure from animals' rights groups
I'm 100 percent in favor of irreligious and indiscriminate slaughter of animals' rights [sic] groups.


24 posted on 07/12/2013 7:35:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Well, there’s always DU for you, then.


25 posted on 07/12/2013 9:19:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
“You hate Israel that much, eh?”

Are you feckin nuts ?

26 posted on 07/14/2013 2:01:10 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I didn’t say anything to you. What made you feel the need to jump in, especially after the thread was pretty much in archive status?


27 posted on 07/14/2013 2:34:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Your moronic post.


28 posted on 07/14/2013 4:26:10 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

How specific of you. Mind throwing me a bone and elaborating?


29 posted on 07/14/2013 7:37:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sure. Would you ask “You hate Holland that much, eh?” someone supporting Romania banning cannabis ? That would make about as much sense.


30 posted on 07/16/2013 5:46:26 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

You seem to have lost your way en route to Stormfront. What, may I ask, do you think you have in common with American conservatives?

“Animal rights” folk are either hardcore Marxist leftist or a type of National Socialist; therefore catering to them is exactly what I said, especially when it targets Jews.

Israel has lodged a formal protest with the Polish government over this matter, even going as far as to summon the Polish ambassador to Israel to do so. Are they “morons” too?


31 posted on 07/16/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
LOL !

“Israel has lodged a formal protest with the Polish government over this matter, even going as far as to summon the Polish ambassador to Israel to do so. Are they “morons” too?”

They should mind their own business. No one in Europe or America tells them how to slaughter animals in their own country.

32 posted on 07/16/2013 12:01:43 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
I see you evaded my question on what you think you have in common with American conservatives.

Thanks for showing your true colors. And since Israel had direct trade in kosher meats with Poland, it is their business.
33 posted on 07/16/2013 12:21:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“And since Israel had direct trade in kosher meats with Poland, it is their business.”

They can produce it domestically or just buy elsewhere, arrogant reactions just make them look like idiots.


34 posted on 07/16/2013 11:25:29 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Jawohl, then. If you don’t mind Poland being that kind of country, then be prepared to reap the whirlwind. Bad enough that Poland is run by toadies of their neighbor to the direct west right now.

I used to live in Ireland, and my mother’s family is still from there. If they turned the same way as Poland on this issue, don’t expect me to defend them; rather, I’ll excoriate them endlessly.


35 posted on 07/17/2013 3:05:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“If you don’t mind Poland being that kind of country, then be prepared to reap the whirlwind.”

I feel devastated :)))


36 posted on 07/17/2013 3:21:31 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Hey, if you are fine with Poland making a de-facto declaration of war against the Jewish state, then that’s on you. What are you doing on a pro-Israel website?


37 posted on 07/17/2013 5:46:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“declaration of war against the Jewish state”

This one sums up your issues perfectly well :)))


38 posted on 07/17/2013 5:54:11 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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