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Heathrow: Dreamliner Plane Catches Fire
Yahoo ^ | July 13 2013 | reporter

Posted on 07/12/2013 6:49:29 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

A fire on a parked Ethiopian Airlines Dreamliner plane has forced both runways at Heathrow Airport to close.

No injuries were reported and nobody was on board the aircraft, which was stationed at a remote parking stand.

Ethiopian Airlines said it had been there for more than eight hours before smoke was detected, adding that "the cause of the incident is under investigation by all concerned."

A spokesperson for Heathrow said the plane suffered an internal fire and that the airport's emergency services attended the scene.

Ethiopian Airlines was the first airline to resume using the 787 after Boeing temporarily withdrew the Dreamliner from service earlier this year for modifications amid concerns that batteries on board could cause fires.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; boeing; dreamliner
Oh dear, looks like trouble for Boeing again.
1 posted on 07/12/2013 6:49:29 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Boeing has the best planes on Earth.

Bar none.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 6:51:28 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I used to think so too.


3 posted on 07/12/2013 6:52:53 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Geeze....this ain't good.If it's the same thing as before..FIX THE DAMN THING! If it's something different.....FIX THE DAMN THING!
4 posted on 07/12/2013 6:53:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
I used to think so too.

The A380...claimed by some to be the greatest invention since the printing press...has been in service for a couple of years.Already there have been reports of cracks in the wings.And that's apart from the near catastrophic accident in which one of its Rolls Royce engines exploded,almost causing a crash.

5 posted on 07/12/2013 6:57:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Green aircraft burn nicely.


6 posted on 07/12/2013 7:18:55 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Wasn’t that an A380 that went down in a storm leaving Brazil a few years back?


7 posted on 07/12/2013 7:20:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Nope.


8 posted on 07/12/2013 7:21:37 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

did they actually do the modifications on their planes?


9 posted on 07/12/2013 7:25:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Were coach passengers roasting a goat?


10 posted on 07/12/2013 7:26:12 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: SkyDancer

A340...I believe.


11 posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:42 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: SkyDancer
Wasn’t that an A380 that went down in a storm leaving Brazil a few years back?

No,I think that was a 330 and that it's believed that the cause was bad weather...major thunderstorms.The A380 incident occurred on a flight between London and Australia and some parts of the exploded engine landed on a small Indonesian island that I've been to (that's one of the reasons the incident sticks in my mind).Also,it happened just before *I* was scheduled to fly an A380 so I feared that my flight would be affected but it wasn't (my plane had GE engines).

12 posted on 07/12/2013 7:28:52 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Wait...so a an airplane has trouble on a remote parking stand, and Heathrow, one of the busiest airports in the world, closes 2 runways?!

Paging Burt Lancaster.....the Brits need a lesson on how to run an airport.


13 posted on 07/12/2013 7:30:34 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Oh yeah, right. Twice the engines blew on that model.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 7:38:11 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The A380 has strange noises on take-off. Very noisy landing gear...etc. Just an observation.


15 posted on 07/12/2013 7:38:32 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: PhiloBedo

A 330 someone said - blew an engine. on two different planes.


16 posted on 07/12/2013 7:38:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: John Valentine

Right - a 330 - then too, a 330 blew an engine on two different 330’s ....


17 posted on 07/12/2013 7:39:26 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: D Rider
The A380 has strange noises on take-off. Very noisy landing gear...etc. Just an observation.

I've only flown the A380 once (14 hours..daylight flight) and didn't notice anything unusual.But then,I wasn't listening for anything.

18 posted on 07/12/2013 7:41:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The reason I changed my mind about the relative merits of the two companies was the many flights I made between Jakarta and a UK destination via Dubai or Abu Dhabi, flying Emirates or Etihad.

Invariably, without fail the Jakarta leg uses B 737’s and then the UAE-UK leg uses more modern Airbuses. This is obviously because the airlines feel Indonesians don’t need the same standard of comfort that Europeans require. It is however quite an eye-opener, the Boeings seem very basic, and frankly a bit shabby by comparison with the Airbuses. The seats are cramped and old-fashioned on the Boeings, even in Business Class.

Now admittedly I might not be comparing like with like, the Boeing is a much older design but still it has been quite an eye-opener for someone who always assumed the inherent supremacy of Boeings.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 7:41:56 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick; Gay State Conservative

I also fly a lot due to the nature of my work, and totally agree with your post. There seems to be some sort of ‘hierarchy.’


20 posted on 07/12/2013 7:53:29 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: SkyDancer

OK....I thought it was the 4 engine job. I didn’t bother to look it up, but I alway thought that’s what they’d be flying on the trans-atlanic routes.


21 posted on 07/12/2013 8:06:03 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: spetznaz

I suppose the fact that most of the passengers on a flight from Jakarta to the UAE are domestic servants being shipped off for two years of bonded labor naturally imbues a sense of contempt in the airline and the staff. But it can be quite shocking to see the disdain with which the Indonesian passengers are treated.

The flight attendants are a multi-national bunch and proud of their many language skills but I have never met one who could speak even basic Indonesian (a language spoken by a quarter of a billion people, so it ain’t chopped liver). They are downright rude to the Indonesian passengers most of whom are from small villages and have never flown before so they do cause hassle but it’s amazing how the contempt spreads to all passengers.

On an Etihad flight I pointed out to the attendant that my seat did not recline, she peremptorily told me that none of the seats reclined, we’d just have to enjoy a twelve hour flight in the middle of the night sitting upright.

The attendant came around before dinner and asked me what I wanted to drink, I asked for as I always do on any flight a gin and tonic and a glass of red wine for dinner, she told me I could have two drinks but only the same type and I’d get them at the same time.

Now, after switching at Abu Dhabi for an Airbus to Dublin the difference was as night and day. There were smiles, friendly assistance, food and drink whenever and whatever I wanted, nothing to good for us. The passengers were mostly Europeans or Arabs.

I’ll say there’s a hierarchy alright.


22 posted on 07/12/2013 8:12:00 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PhiloBedo

I think you’re right. They only use the four engine jobs on o/s flights of long duration. I believe only Boeing 767/777 are ok’d for o/s flights of over three hours. Boeing had what’s called ETOPS (we like to say: Engine Turns Or Passengers Swim) but it means: ETOPS, Extended Operations, and En Route Alternate Airports - says that it can go 180 minutes without engines to the nearest airport three hours away.


23 posted on 07/12/2013 8:23:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Hydraulics for the landing gear on several Airbus models (320, 330 & 380) often seem very loud and “different”. This is from an old helicopter pilot who listens to ALL noises on aircraft.

(except rock or rap “music” over the entertainment system)


24 posted on 07/12/2013 8:26:32 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Fatigue crack in oil feed pipe
25 posted on 07/12/2013 9:12:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: SkyDancer
Boeing had what’s called ETOPS

ETOPS certification is not unique to either Boeing aircraft or the FAA.

26 posted on 07/12/2013 9:20:39 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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Fire appears to have occurred in or near the crew rest compartment.


27 posted on 07/12/2013 9:27:56 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Rumor has it this was a coffee maker or water heater left on in the galley. Boiled away water and the overheat protection failed. Burned up the galley.

Rumor only.


28 posted on 07/12/2013 10:13:05 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: A.A. Cunningham

That APU hydrazine ?

Ethiopians have a Dreamliner ? Seems like just yesterday they couldn’t afford a chicken....

Stay safe !


29 posted on 07/12/2013 10:28:17 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: ltc8k6

Another rumor. APU power distribution cables running along the roof line overheated when the plane was powered up to get ready for a flight.


30 posted on 07/12/2013 11:11:30 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Due to the unique barrell roll technology of the 787 this looks like the first hull loss of a dreamliner.

The 787 is a good example for the victory of MBAs over engineers. The dreamliner is a mess.


31 posted on 07/12/2013 11:18:40 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: Squantos

Ethiopian got these planes almost for free cause they were among the few willing to buy the overweight early production models (SN < 63).


32 posted on 07/12/2013 11:18:40 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Looks like the Swamp Cooler motor went bad to me. They’ll have to roll down the windows on the next flight out.


33 posted on 07/12/2013 11:32:18 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: SgtBilko

Na, a little Bondo, a little sanding and a little Primer and that Jet will be good as new.

The will have to rename it The Nightmareliner though.


34 posted on 07/12/2013 11:35:37 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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Isn't there ovens and microwaves back there? Extremely rare for an appliance
made of metal to catch fire on the exterior unless the electrical is faulty.
35 posted on 07/12/2013 11:36:20 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Kickass Conservative

These stingers look a little roasted. It’s a hull loss for sure. Otherwise they would have to replace the entire section cause you can’t replace the stingers in a integral one piece design.
http://www.newairplane.com/787/design_highlights/#/visionary-design/composites/one-piece-barrel-construction


36 posted on 07/13/2013 2:04:06 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: MaxMax

There are various reports that the fire started under the interior panels. Looks like another wiring mess to me. Boeing already had some wiring issues on the 787.


37 posted on 07/13/2013 2:04:06 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Didn’t say it was exclusive to Boeing, just said Boeing had the certification.


38 posted on 07/13/2013 6:06:19 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer
Boeing had what’s called ETOPS

That's what you wrote giving the impression that ETOPS is exclusive to Boeing which it isn't.

You also wrote:

I believe only Boeing 767/777 are ok’d for o/s flights of over three hours.

and

They only use the four engine jobs on o/s flights of long duration.

and

says that it can go 180 minutes without engines to the nearest airport three hours away.

which are also incorrect.

Please explain how a 767/777 could fly 180 minutes without "engines"?

39 posted on 07/13/2013 7:11:41 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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Basically you don’t know the concept of ETOPS - if engines flared out at altitude (40,000ft +) they can do a drift down for three hours which would put them at an airport. Their flight path is such that they are never more than 3 hours (180 min) from any airport while flying over water. Suggest you do some more research before showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.


40 posted on 07/13/2013 8:08:06 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SgtBilko
I know somebody who worked at Boeing when they started having seats made in Mexico
way back in the day. The seats came chewed up from rats in the packages.

No idea where they get the wiring from.

41 posted on 07/13/2013 2:58:27 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: MaxMax

Unionized machinists from the state of washington ....


42 posted on 07/14/2013 12:24:46 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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