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Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:51 PM PDT by holden
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You’re exactly right. The frog is cooked so he doesn’t have to worry about slowly turning up the heat. He can basically do what he wants.
He thinks he can dictate sweeping alterations to private American society with the stroke of a pen and without Congressional consent?
This Tyrant is making a strong case for impeachment.
He's an Authoritarian Socialist of the highest order.
I'm astounded at his hubris. This must be repudiated by the People. It's just the most counter-Revolutionary phenomenon in US History. By counter-Revolutionary, I mean to say that his agenda is diametrically opposed to every principle of the American Revolution, Natural Rights, Englightenment philosophy, etc.
Most of us have never seen a threat like this in our lifetimes, and it's happening in America, the last place it should happen.
That, at the very least, will be History's judgment one day, if there's an American Republic to record it.
I have trained my grandchildren not to say that because they are children and are required to speak respectfully to adults. I also tell them not to lie.
When asked by a doctor, teacher, etc. about firearms in the home, they are only allowed to say, "That's none of my business." And it's true, what other people know about their parents' and grandparents' firearms is not the children's business.
Saying, "it's none of my business" takes the pressure off the kids and pokes the nanny staters in the eye.
I cant believe this is the USA.
The sheeple are docile and unwilling to challenge authority, even in the face of losing their privacy, freedom and rights. We are truely the proverbial frog being slowly boiled in water.
Nothing is going to change until there is some type of cataclysmic event that reorients everyone’s thinking. It will be the psychological equivalent of a “life altering event”, only on a national level. Most likely a massive economic crisis (brought about by out of control spending) that forces people to realize the extent of government overreach. Obamacare might just be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Good luck to all of us.
What? Have you checked with other parents?
Our dentist of 25 years retired and sold his practice. The new dentist is a big hunter and fisherman...in the heart of Silicon Valley, no less! Cool.
He’s an Authoritarian Socialist of the highest order.
Your description of Obama is spot on. Very good post overall.
Doctors are not employees of the Executive Branch of the government. Executive orders can affect ONLY that branch of government. Only Congress can make laws. We The People need only to ignore this. Actually, Obama should be impeached for tyring to make laws.
Our dentist of 25 years retired and sold his practice.
My GP sold his practice years before he would have retired. He made it clear he didn’t want to mess with Obamacare or be taking orders from the government. This was a bit of a hassle for me as I had to find a new doc, but totally sympathized with his decision. I would have done the same thing.
I had a kid ten years ago and they were asking that then.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
Respectfully, I suggest you see http://belligerentact.org .
Only Congress can make laws.
Congress has failed to meet its legislative responsibilities (no surprise there) and is happy to let the administration and its executive agencies rule by fiat. This congress has been lied to, by-passed, and insulted and yet still refuses to protect even its own perrogatives. It is really a pathetically weak institution.
Well, at least they'll have to talk to ME about it instead of my daughter.
Wow...I never experienced that. This is news to me that pediatricians are doing this to children. Not sure I’d find that necessary for my child.
if they are worried about dangers to children they should ask if there are any pit bulls in the house.
Stalin gained his position primarily via brute force (don’t think that would work here). Hitler won by using legal means until he had gained so much power he didn’t need the courts and Germany’s government any longer to justify his actions ... Obama is near that point now.
Just my opinion (readings) of history and correlating these opinions with current events.
my doctor has never asked. previous doctor did hence the past tense.
That’s good point. It does take the pressure off of them, and lets them be respectful of adults. I’m of two minds on it, because sometimes adults aren’t worthy of respect. There are lines that shouldn’t be crossed, and that’s one of them. Have to think about that, but thanks for getting my gray matter going on it.
i had this but lost it. Thanks.
They have been asking me that for years. I refuse to answer.
I tell my wife to refuse to answer. And I do not, in fact, have a gun in the house.
Stalin gained his position primarily via brute force (dont think that would work here). Hitler won by using legal means until he had gained so much power he didnt need the courts and Germanys government any longer to justify his actions ... Obama is near that point now.
Just my opinion (readings) of history and correlating these opinions with current events.
You’re right on. Excellent points. Our guns are saving us.
And I’ll add that Obama absolutely hates real American “clingers”.
Wrong answer. The correct answer is “You don’t need to know that”.
Teach your children about what’s private family business and what’s not.
Just say NO.
That was one of the most awesome posts EVER on FR. EVER. Use their own rules against them - Saul Alinsky.
You say you don’t THINK he’s doing it because......I believe I’d ask him why he’s doing it. I would want to know exactly why.
For me and my family, unless I have someone with an unusual pediatric condition, I’d take my kids to a Family Practice Physician.
When I was a kid, I would have said none of your beeswax, but it’s better to be polite than rude. That’s a good response.
A person still has a right to refuse any medical treatment that they want. My plan is to stand on that right along with the 5th amendment right.
I started this years ago. When they ask me to step on the scales, I just look them straight in the eye, smile, and say no thank you, I’ll pass on that.
Now that would be a very interesting and useful comparison. I wonder if anyone has done that yet?
>>and i agree with your plan 100%, i just know they will take that as a yes is all
Perhaps, but they can’t indicate that in your records.
I’m no lawyer, but I would think deliberately falsifying medical records with answers the patient did not give would be , at the very least, a violation of medical ethics with possible legal ramifications.
But then, I’m old and may just be remembering ‘America that was’.
Only an un caring fool would send their child to a doctor.
Now that I’m retired, methinks I have a new project, something to keep my interest and stimulate the mind ... until senility kicks in. LOL!
Good answer but what happens to me after I say that?
Well, keep me posted, I’d love to know all about it.
Also, inspecting the kids privates is outrageous.
I’m pretty sure I’d be out of that office way before I allowed that. Even if I had to get an “emergency” call on my phone.
Easy for me to say, I do not have children.
I often think about that scripture, I think from revelations “woe unto mothers of those times”
“Shades of Hitler grow stronger and stronger in this clowns day to day actions.”
“We the people are the rightful masters, both of Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
They should respond, my daddy/mommy has a concealed carry permit so I don’t know.
Farris says the most important section of the Constitution is Article 1 Section 1, and the violation of this by Executive and Judicial branches have, more than anything else, has caused the loss of our Liberty.
Article 1 Section 1
All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
In any organization,whether church, club, sports organization, etc, there are lists of rules. And the most important is: WHO HAS THE POWER TO MAKE THE RULES!!!
This was very important to the founding generation. The principle dispute was over REPRESENTATION, not TAXATION (that was just a byproduct). Stamp act, been imposed involuntarily on colonists and was hated. They repealed it in 1766, but then passed the Declaratory acts: Said BRITISH PARLAIMENT had right to legislate for the American colonies in all cases whatsoever. There was no doubt in 1766 that power to legislate rested with British king. But for 150 years, that power had rested with the various colonial legislatures. English bill of rights in 1689: only the peoples’ elected representatives could levy taxes. It was the right of self government that was the greatest motivation for American independence.
John Locke taught about self government.
John Locke: FIRST AND FUNDAMENTAL POSITIVE LAW OF ALL COMMONWEALTHS IS THE ESTABLISHING OF THE LEGISLATIVE POWER.
Also that delegation of legislative power is the exclusive method of making law.
NOR CAN ANY EDICT OF ANY BODY ELSE, IN WHAT FORM SOEVER CONCEIVED, OR BY WHAT POWER SOEVER BACKED, HAVE THE FORCE AND OBLIGATION OF A LAW.
Aricle 1, Section 1
100% of the legislative power of the United States is given to Congress. No other agency of government can legitimately make laws for the nation.
In practical terms, the president cannot make laws. Agencies appointed by the president cannot make laws. They have no more power than the president to do so. The Judiciary cannot make laws.
Thomas Paine accurately reflected the views of the founding generation when he wrote
ALL POWER EXERCISED OVER A NATION MUST HAVE SOME BEGINNING. IT MUST EITHER BE DELEGATED OR ASSUMED. THERE ARE NO OTHER SOURCES. ALL DELEGATED POWER IS TRUST, AND ALL ASSUMED POWER IS USURPATION. TIME DOES NOT ALTER THE NATURE AND QUALITY OF EITHER.
- THOMANS PAINE.\
. Will learn later (in this course) that the President, various administrative agencies and the judiciary (courts) have assumed great powers to make laws. This is improper, we need to remember that ALL assumptions of power are tyrannical usurpations and time does not alter the nature of such tyranny.
Obama is assuming and thus usurping power that is not legally his to take. He MUST be impeached now before he gains even more power through our cowardice to stand up to him.
Step, by step our ability to keep usurpers from taking over the US Government is being suppressed and I don’t think the average citizen realizes what is going on, nor do I believe that those that do understand have the backbone to do anything about it. I hope I am wrong.
With the Governments continued decimation or military and the militarizing of our police ... even open rebellion is beyond or grasp today.
Yes I just recently went to the ER for a stomach illness and I could tell the male clerk was embarrassed to ask me the following question. He said “I hate to ask you this but this is mandatory - Do you own a gun” I said NO.
I would have said, “It’s a mandatory question? Says who?”
I would have liked to heard his answer.
First, not only is "executive order" not a constitutional term, but the Founding States made the very first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide them from the Oval Office, to clarify that all legislative powers of the federal government are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches of the federal government.
In fact, undoubtedly based on the clauses referenced above, the Supreme Court has already clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders do not have the force of law unless legislatively supported by Congress. And given that Congress is now diivided, Democrats controlling the Senate and Republicans controlling the House of Representatives, Obama simply doesn't have the legislative support of Congress to make his executive orders do anything.
So what Obama is actually doing with his executive orders is to try to make himself look like a king making edicts to impress low-information voters. Sadly, when Obama writes "JUMP!" on an executive order, Constitution-ignorant voters, which evidently includes medical personnel, unthinkingly ask "how high?"
It can’t continue. We’ll have to do something.
Mass in the streets in tens of millions?
its totally legal to own a gun