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Texas Senate Votes for Final Passage of Texas Abortion Bill, 19 to 11
New York Times ^ | July 20 , 2013 | John Schwartz

Posted on 07/13/2013 2:11:12 AM PDT by lbryce

The Texas Senate gave final passage on Friday to one of the strictest anti-abortion measures in the country, legislation championed by Gov. Rick Perry, who rallied the Republican-controlled Legislature late last month after a Democratic filibuster blocked the bill and intensified already passionate resistance by abortion-rights supporters.

The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and hold abortion clinics to the same standards as hospital-style surgical centers, among other requirements. Its supporters say that the strengthened requirements for the structures and doctors will protect women’s health; opponents argue that the restrictions are actually intended to put financial pressure on the clinics that perform abortions and will force most of them to shut their doors.

Mr. Perry applauded lawmakers for passing the bill, saying “Today the Texas Legislature took its final step in our historic effort to protect life.” Legislators and anti-abortion activists, he said “tirelessly defended our smallest and most vulnerable Texans and future Texans.”

Debate over the bill has ignited fierce exchanges between lawmakers, and tense confrontations between opponents of the bill, who have worn orange, and supporters of the bill wearing blue. Signs and slogans have been everywhere, bearing long, impassioned arguments or the simple scrawl on a young man’s orange shirt, a Twitter-esque “@TXLEGE: U R dumb.”

The bill had come nearly this far before: a version had been brought to the Senate in the previous session of the Legislature, in June, and was killed by State Senator Wendy Davis, a Democrat from Fort Worth, with an 11-hour filibuster that stalled the bill until after the deadline for ending the session. The filibuster became an overnight sensation on Twitter and other forms of social media, with more than 180,000 people viewing the filibuster live online

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Seems like Obama did not have the goods on any Texas legislator in getting them to vote his way.
1 posted on 07/13/2013 2:11:13 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Perry delivers.

He makes you "do your job".

2 posted on 07/13/2013 2:15:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: lbryce

Umm, this is Texas. Obama would have to show ID to get in ;)


3 posted on 07/13/2013 2:15:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: lbryce

Thank you. I was waiting for this. Now I can go to bed. :)

Fantastic work everyone!


4 posted on 07/13/2013 2:16:18 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: lbryce

? Where was Wendy Davis and her diaper/catheter?


5 posted on 07/13/2013 2:42:47 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lbryce

An immoral, unconstitutional bill. The Texas Code now describes a class of sub-humans who are not accorded Fifth or Fourteenth Amendment equal protection for their supreme God-given, unalienable right, the right to live.

Which not only contradicts the U.S. Constitution, it contradicts their own Code.

Arbitrary, capricious, unreasonable, illogical, lawless law-making.


6 posted on 07/13/2013 2:48:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

My reaction as well, nothing to celebrate here. For 20 weeks, the weakest among us face the possibility of being handed a death sentence depending on convenience.


7 posted on 07/13/2013 3:03:01 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: EternalVigilance

And Eternal Vigilance bashes prolifers once again! :)

Always on the case, aren’t you?


8 posted on 07/13/2013 3:11:18 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JerseyDvl

TX will go from 80 death centers down to 76.

But yeah, aside from that, nothing much accomplished! :)


9 posted on 07/13/2013 3:12:02 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JerseyDvl

Edit from 80 down to 4. Sorry.


10 posted on 07/13/2013 3:12:27 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

I didn’t bash pro-lifers. I gave an accurate description of this lawless law.

Which you can’t refute, because like a liberal, you’re going on emotion, not reason. You’re simply following the leaders you’ve devoted yourself to, and letting them do your thinking for you.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 3:16:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: JerseyDvl

Thank you. It’s great to see folks around here who have thought this through.


12 posted on 07/13/2013 3:16:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

I actually agree. AS much as I want to see a win here, it should be an outright ban.

The real victory in this bill is that death centers now have to clean up to medical standards, which should have been there all along. It will force many out of business. But that’s about it.


13 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:05 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Big Giant Head

So, if you shut down some sub-par Nazi death camps, but “legally” authorize the operation of clean, efficient Nazi death camps, the Nazis will simply build bigger, cleaner, more efficient Nazi death camps.

If you’ve got the governmental power to regulate mass murder, you have the power to stop the bloodshed.


14 posted on 07/13/2013 3:29:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: lbryce

Don’t worry they have already started judge shopping to block it.


15 posted on 07/13/2013 3:32:13 AM PDT by pas
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To: EternalVigilance

Right, I’m a liberal because I support a law that shuts down most of the killing centres but not all of then.


16 posted on 07/13/2013 3:45:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

I said you’re acting like a liberal, on emotion. Can’t you read?


17 posted on 07/13/2013 3:50:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s a huge step in the right direction.

There are just 678 clinics (as of 2011) in all of America. This is down from 2200.


18 posted on 07/13/2013 3:57:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: EternalVigilance

I’m not quite sure how hard numbers on the total clinics counts as ‘emotion’.


19 posted on 07/13/2013 3:58:12 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

You say it’s a “huge step in the right direction.” But the bill is intrinsically immoral and unconstitutional. Which is in fact, by definition, if you care about morality and the Constitution, a huge step in the wrong direction.


20 posted on 07/13/2013 4:00:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I’m not quite sure how hard numbers on the total clinics counts as ‘emotion’.

I've already answered this claim back up the thread:

If you shut down some sub-par Nazi death camps, but “legally” authorize the operation of clean, efficient Nazi death camps, the Nazis will simply build bigger, cleaner, more efficient Nazi death camps.

If you’ve got the governmental power to regulate mass murder, you have the power to stop the bloodshed.

As the sacred oath of office to support the Constitution requires.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

21 posted on 07/13/2013 4:04:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Please point me to the section of the new law that provides the constitutionally-required equal protection for persons under twenty weeks’ gestation.

Because I’ve read it a number of times and don’t see it.

In fact, it says just the opposite.

Frankly, it won’t protect children after twenty weeks gestation either, in the real world.

This is pure political theater, not serious, just, constitutional, lawmaking.


22 posted on 07/13/2013 4:08:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

“If you shut down some sub-par Nazi death camps, but “legally” authorize the operation of clean, efficient Nazi death camps, the Nazis will simply build bigger, cleaner, more efficient Nazi death camps.”

This is untrue. Only some areas can support the larger death clinics. So what you see is a consolidation.

Going from Idaho, North Dakota, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas and Oklahoma

You have a total of 16 clinics in 9 states. 3 in OK, 3 in Montana, 3 in Nebraska, and 2 in Kansas.

5 states, Wyoming, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota and Utah have just one.

Wyoming’s is in Jackson, Idaho in Twin Falls, South Dakota’s and North Dakota’s are just over the state line. As is the one in Kansas city and all three in Nebraska.


23 posted on 07/13/2013 4:29:31 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: EternalVigilance

“Frankly, it won’t protect children after twenty weeks gestation either, in the real world.”

This is a lie. Has and will. Clinics closing will lower the number of children killed by the death centres.

Has been doing so for quite some time now.


24 posted on 07/13/2013 4:30:35 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Big Giant Head
The real victory in this bill is that death centers now have to clean up to medical standards, which should have been there all along. It will force many out of business. But that’s about it.

Kinda like what "the anointed one" via the EPA is doing to the Coal Industry, dang it is delicious schadenfreude when we use their methods and tactics on them...

25 posted on 07/13/2013 4:45:12 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks.....)
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To: EternalVigilance

If you can’t save them all, then save what you can.

Plus if abortions clinics, EVEN ONE are (is) shut down b/c of this, it’s worth it.


26 posted on 07/13/2013 4:51:17 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: EternalVigilance

Incrementalism. It’s worked for the Left for the past 60 years, I think it can continue to work to end abortion too. I’ll take this imperfect bill over nothing, then look to see what other ways we can save lives.


27 posted on 07/13/2013 4:52:06 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: EternalVigilance

At present, the city furthest away from the death centres is Rapid City, South Dakota at 320 miles from the nearest one in Billings, MT. At 80 an hour, that’s roughly a 4 hour drive.

In Texas, it is Perryton, 240 miles from both Oklahoma City and in Lubbock TX. 260 miles from Wichita KA.

Again if they drop to just Houston, Austin, San Antonio and Dallas, that is a huge swathe of territory. There would be nothing from Santa Teresa to Dallas!

Yes, PP isn’t stupid. They have a surgical clinic in Santa Teresa NM, for the same reason all their clinics in ND and SD are in Fargo and Sioux Falls, right on the border with Minnesota. They don’t want to lose access to West Texas.


28 posted on 07/13/2013 4:56:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

This bill violates one of the most important explicit requirements of the Constitution, the equal protection requirement for the individual right to life, and embeds, codifies, permission to kill innocent persons in statute. That doesn’t matter to you?

I wish folks like you could come to the realization that you’re not winning by surrendering the only real moral, constitutional and legal arguments against abortion. You’re losing, every time, right up front.


29 posted on 07/13/2013 4:56:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: lbryce

——— championed by Gov. Rick Perry———

he earns five gold stars......... remember this action


30 posted on 07/13/2013 4:58:00 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So what? It’s still immoral and unconstitutional.

The God-given, unalienable, equal right to life is supposed to be protected in America by LAW, not travel inconvenience.


31 posted on 07/13/2013 4:58:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: bert
remember this action

I'll remember here in Iowa. A growing number of pro-lifers in my state are coming to the realization that these phony fetal pain bills are wrong, and illegitimate.

32 posted on 07/13/2013 5:00:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: DrewsMum

That clinic is Santa Teresa is sneaky. It’s just 8 miles North from the NM/Mexico border, 8 miles West from I-10 and 10 miles west from El Paso, and 17 miles north and west from the major Tex/Mex border crossing from Juarez. It also happens to be a convenient 1.5 miles from the Texas border.

Gosh I wonder why that is?! Maybe Eternal Vigilence can figure it out for us.


33 posted on 07/13/2013 5:03:50 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: DrewsMum

These bills in fact assure the continuation of abortion on demand.


34 posted on 07/13/2013 5:08:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

Iowa is a net exporter of abortion services to KA, NE and SD. Minnesota only has 6 clinics compared to Iowa’s 17.

Maybe you should get to work on your own backyard sport, before lecturing Texas.


35 posted on 07/13/2013 5:15:57 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: lbryce

The media will use this to terrorize voters, but I believe it can be easily countered. 20 weeks is 5 months and plenty of time to kill your baby.

One of the challenges conservatives and liberals have is overreach. The voters don’t want radical change unless it is easy and brings outsized benefits, quickly. The Dems overreached and forgot the economy.

The GOP needs to focus on jobs and the economy first and social policy second and incrementally. History proves that if you bring prosperity the voters love you and will let you steer conservative. We often get that backwards.


36 posted on 07/13/2013 5:18:18 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: EternalVigilance

I gave serious thought to voting for you. Your opinion here makes me glad/vindicated that I did not.

Of course you are completely right. And completely wrong.

Yes, I believe that the 5th Amendment and our “social contract” described in the Declaration of Independence concur that the right to life is sacrosanct. The Right to Life isn’t a Constitutional “Right”; it’s a natural right of man granted by God and only and rightly recognized by the Constitution.

In that you are observantly correct. The Right to Life isn’t a “States right”.

You also damn well know about Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court has already perverted our Constitution and undermined the natural right of life for pre-born humans. The limits on the definition of life that you decry in the new Texas Law weren’t placed by Texas lawmakers last night. Any attempt to go further would be blocked by the Courts and this new law might yet suffer the same fate.

In the meantime, Texas has done its very best to offer the absolute most protection of life that it can muster absent a vote to secede.

Texas is pushing the line on the limits imposed (unConstitutionally, as you decree)on it by a feral fedgov. This new law is a lurch in the right direction and provides as much Constitutional protection as Texas is allowed to consider.

In your short-sided purity, you would block our ability to return to Constitutional order even if we gained the votes to do so, and I’m going to explain why in another post.

Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.


37 posted on 07/13/2013 5:19:04 AM PDT by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I believe in life and am glad this bill went through. Like the other side, you have to get your nose in the tent first. This is a good first step. Texas will get there.

I have a question and I am not trying to be facetious here. What if the bill said thaitI money saved from closing clinics went for birth control? Thereby, the only excuse a women would have for getting pregnant is going off he pill?

Now a women can choose to have a baby and not to kill one. That would make the lefts head explode.


38 posted on 07/13/2013 5:19:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: lbryce

Why couldn’t Texas of all states pass an outright ban?


39 posted on 07/13/2013 5:20:40 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: ziravan

They swore to God to support the Constitution of the United States, not the immoral, unconstitutional, irrational, arbitrary, capricious opinion of a bunch of dead judges.

The judicial supremacist lie is one of the deadliest poisons this free republic has ever known.


40 posted on 07/13/2013 5:21:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Like the other side, you have to get your nose in the tent first.

You don't "get your nose in the tent" by sacrificing the only moral, constitutional, and legal arguments there are against the practice of abortion. You're throwing the whole tent on the campfire.

41 posted on 07/13/2013 5:23:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

Politics is the art of the possible


42 posted on 07/13/2013 5:25:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Maybe you should get to work on your own backyard sport, before lecturing Texas.

I have. We've advanced the understanding of pro-lifers here to the point that the Republicans can no longer pass this sort of immoral, unconstitutional, counter-productive, lawless bill.

43 posted on 07/13/2013 5:25:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: bert
Politics is the art of the possible

The Republicans control the Texas Legislature completely, along with every single statewide executive office. The only reason it isn't "possible" is because they don't want to stop the practice of abortion.

I do not believe that they would stop abortion even if you gave them 100% of the seats.

44 posted on 07/13/2013 5:30:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

Looking at the database. Wow. Missouri (besides supporting all the KA clinics), has just 1 clinic to Iowa’s 17.

Arkansas only has 3.

Georgia has fewer clinics than Iowa’s 17.

States with more:

WA, CA, TX, CO, FL, NC, VA, MI, IL, MD, NJ, CT, MA.

Iowa ranks 14th in state clinics. 30th in population. 3 million population with 176k per clinic. There would be 1705 clinics in America if America was like Iowa. Iowa has about 2x the national average. Texas with 25 million has about 90 clinics or about 277k per clinic. Somewhat higher than the national average.


45 posted on 07/13/2013 5:36:31 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: EternalVigilance

Why does Iowa have such a high ratio of clinics/population?

You’re at twice the national average, you have more clinics than every other bordering state save IL.

Surely you wouldn’t be lecturing Texas while leaving your own backyard to rot, now would you?


46 posted on 07/13/2013 5:38:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

What difference does it make after you’ve sacrificed every scriptural imperative concerning the protection of innocent life, surrendered the first law of nature, discarded the moral principles of the Declaration of Independence, ignored every clause of the stated purposes of the Constitution, and trashed the explicit, imperative equal protection requirements of multiple Amendments to that Constitution?


47 posted on 07/13/2013 5:45:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

I, like you, ran for office recently in a doomed attempt largely related to being seriously underfunded and, as a result, ignored. I ran for Congress in 2010 and the primary winner that went on to replace a Democrat in Congress outspent me by a ratio of 16:1. Like you, I’ve had an opportunity to develop and support a platform for public support.

I ran as a Constitutionalist. (One of the things that I’m proud about is that I was the only candidate to regularly carry a copy of the Constitution with me on the stump even though there were Ron Paul supporters at every stop that would try to trip me up about what was in it, “If you love the Constitution so much, tell me, what does Article 7 say?...”) After the primary, my primary winner and current Congressman began to carry a copy of the Constitution with him on the campaign trail for the General and does so routinely to this day.

One of the questions that I was asked frequently as a candidate is if I would ever vote on something that had any unConstitutional provisions contained within it. That, of course, is a trick question because just about everything voted out of Congress these days has unConstitutional provisions. Unless your legislators in Washington limited their votes to naming Post Offices, the ability to affect policy would be severely truncated by the requirement of a NO vote on everything (something I do agree is appropriate 90% of the time anyway).

Here’s the problem with voting no by rote because everything is unConstitutional (and it’s the problem with your take on the new Texas law): we are 100 yrs outside the Constitutional box. There is no way-back machine. We can’t, in PollyAnna fashion, stamp our feet and demand to be levitated back to where we belong.

It took a long road and train of abuses to get us where we are today. If we are to get back to Constitutional limitations, we must, MUST, retrace our steps to get there. That involves walking over a lot of unConstitutional ground between here and there.

The standard cannot be to never vote for anything unConstitutional. We are already there. The standard must be to only vote for things that walk us back towards the Constitutional box. This was my promise as a candidate for office: I would respect the U.S. Constitution and make it my primary mission to walk/run our feral fedgov back to its boundaries and limitations as fast as possible. I would weigh each decision primarily along the framework of whether it was a move in the right direction of restraining the fedgov or not, of honoring our social contract as expressed in the Constitution or not, and I would not vote for those measures that walked us further from the Constitutional construct that made our nation what it is today.

If you are going to stamp your feet and demand Constitutional purity at all cost, you must answer the question: short of revolution or secession, how do we get there from here? Because, in the meantime, nobody and no law can be supported. That explains your protest here, to be sure. It’s also an impotent stand at a critical time in our nation’s history when we need potent people and ideas.

In the meantime, walking Texas Law as far back towards the Constitution as Texas can do without having it thrown out is huge step in the right direction.

We cannot simultaneously demand that our lawmakers respect the Constitution and also tie their hands on how to get there from here. Such a proposition is self-defeating.


48 posted on 07/13/2013 5:47:08 AM PDT by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, your strategy sure ain’t working in Iowa.

Not only does Iowa suck, you are 14th in the nation for total clinics. Pretty mind blowing when you are only 30th in population yet jump ahead of 16 other states.

And that’s just on a gross basis, not a net basis. Ohio, has fewer abortion clinics. Pennysylvania has fewer clinics. Georgia has fewer clinics than Iowa.

You say you’re trying. You say you’ve been working at it for more than 20 years. Apparently you haven’t been doing very much.

There’s been significant improvements in ND, SD, even in MN, and MO, and KA and NE. KY and IN, etc. Basically all the nearby states have improved except Illinois and Iowa. By my calculations you’ve had 5 clinics shut down in 30 years. Well off the pace.

Why is this, Eternal Vigilance? You say your strategy works. Why then is Iowa so bad compared with comparable states? Even MN is doing better.


49 posted on 07/13/2013 5:47:13 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

By the way, Iowa Republican politics is dominated by folks who tow the immoral, unconstitutional NRTL line just like you. So, if there are problems in my state, you might want to look a mirror to discover why.


50 posted on 07/13/2013 5:47:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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