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LGBT group finds acceptance at evangelical college [Sodomites Now Invade Christian Colleges]
yahoo/ap ^ | 7/13/13 | SARAH PARVINI

Posted on 07/14/2013 6:59:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Nick Palacios struggled to get his conservative Pentecostal parents to accept him as a gay evangelical Christian for nearly a decade before his family found a common ground through faith....

a growing number of gay evangelical students are asserting their dual identities with underground clubs and nascent political activism. Last year, for example, a group called the Biola Queer Underground was quashed by Biola University, a small, conservative Christian school in nearby Orange County.

This fall, the LGBT group plans on staging rallies to combat the Biola's longstanding policy on homosexuality — that sexual relationships are reserved for heterosexual marriage — and address what many students call a campus climate of fear and shame.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: christianschools; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; perversion
...and the march of perversity continues to invade all that is holy.

When are we going to take a stand against perversion, friends? Not a violent stand, but a radical "NO! THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!" stand?

1 posted on 07/14/2013 6:59:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Like Sandra Fluke before them, they’ll enroll for the sole purpose of finding some grievance somewhere.


2 posted on 07/14/2013 7:03:51 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Story’s been posted here-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3042510/posts


3 posted on 07/14/2013 7:06:29 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SoFloFreeper

The article is not quite clear on what this homosexual group at Fuller is all about—accepting the PRACTICE of homosexuality or the acceptance of people who STRUGGLE with that sin...

I can agree with one of those; I have my own struggles with sin (usually my anger)—I am not perfect, and yet believe God accepts me. BUT when I “step out” and behave in a sinful manner, or have that sin in my heart, then I have to repent.

So if these people are repenting and trying to overcome the sin of homosexuality, then I support them...but the article appears to be saying that they are saying that the sin is okay....


4 posted on 07/14/2013 7:07:07 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: ReformationFan

sorry thanks.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 7:07:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

No problem.


6 posted on 07/14/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SoFloFreeper
When are we going to take a stand against perversion, friends? Not a violent stand, but a radical "NO! THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!" stand?

Well, a lot of us do take a stand - but I don't think we are ever effective when we throw the word sodomite around frankly. Yes, I realize it's genesis and meaning and validity...it's just that there are more intelligent ways to win these battles....That term guarantees tuning out of those we need to help win this battle. GUARANTEED.

7 posted on 07/14/2013 7:15:07 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The more prophecy I read, the more I see the signs around me.

The sudden mandate to force acceptance and the aggressive tactics used, while perhaps understandable from a certain point of view, shine like a fully illuminated billboard to the view one acquires climbing the mountain.

The higher you climb, the better the view, so you can see the road we're on fairly clearly, if you want to.

You really should see it for yourselves. That's why the signs are put there, for us to see.

8 posted on 07/14/2013 7:22:08 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

If it is accurate and genuine and full of meaning and valid, then perhaps the word ought to be used.

I don’t think most people think or want to think about what happens to the human body during such behavior...and how harmful it can be to the body.

But I digress. That word “sodomite” is RARELY used in public discussion of the sins of homosexuality...and by the way, how are we doing on the stemming of that sin? Not too good.

So I don’t think the use of that word has much to do with our lack of success.

What word would you use? Would you permit the world to change the definition of the behavior, much like they’re trying to change the definition of the word marriage?


9 posted on 07/14/2013 7:23:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: GBA
the signs are put there, for us to see.

To see, one has to open their eyes.

10 posted on 07/14/2013 7:30:22 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: SoFloFreeper

Not to make too big a deal of it, but my comment was in reaction to the fact that the word is used in dozens of headlines on FR daily it seems...

.I just think it’s counter productive. I never heard Paul or Jesus use the word (correct me if I’m wrong) and I’ve never heard Dobson’s organization that reaches out to the gay community use the word. I’ve never heard it used by anyone I thought was effective.

The word is often used by those Christians, many of whom I wonder about, who embarrass the faith. I find the word distasteful and I normally agree with the point of view of the one who used it. It’s a rant word, only useful in venting....


11 posted on 07/14/2013 7:30:40 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If there is a climate of fear and shame then go to another school. Next problem!


12 posted on 07/14/2013 7:40:44 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I understand. Good points.


13 posted on 07/14/2013 7:46:30 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Thanks..enjoyed the chat, appreciate the time you put into posting articles...


14 posted on 07/14/2013 7:48:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I just think it’s counter productive.

I agree (as is often the case) with you. At this time, the word is little more than a way to insult those we are, in fact, called to love, as difficult as that may be. It immediately causes those people to ignore everything that follows.

It is also curious to me that using that kind of insult suggests that a person is solely defined by where they like to place their private parts. That is exactly the opposite of what we should be saying. Human beings, created in the image of God, are much more complex than that. Part of the perversion of the gay lifestyle is the mistaken belief that sexual practice is all that constitutes a person. That is much the same as saying that color is all that defines a person, and the use of the infamous "N-word" merely reinforces that idea, whether used by a black person or used as an epithet by someone else.

15 posted on 07/14/2013 8:25:39 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Great points !!!!


16 posted on 07/14/2013 8:32:49 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: SoFloFreeper
...and the march of perversity continues to invade all that is holy. When are we going to take a stand against perversion, friends?

This sounds like the college's fault; not the perverts' fault. They are just doing what perverts do. It is the college that should have held its ground. If it didn't, it is already soft on non-Christian pop culture.

17 posted on 07/14/2013 11:12:47 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: SoFloFreeper
So you and a few others take a non-violent stand. Where do you stand? Do you "stand" editorially in letters sent to the appropriate authorities that are ignored, or essays in newspapers that are also ignored?

Do you stand in doorways to prevent these groups from meeting? How long does that last until you are physically removed by the police?

Do you stop donating to this school or that school so that the LGBT movement can gain control one school at a time?

If a growing majority of US citizens is OK with LGBT then who are you protecting from what threat? If religion has become "one's personal relationship with Jesus Christ" then what do you care about what other people say is their "personal relationship with Jesus Christ" even if it involves sodomy?

This is no longer a Christian nation. It has probably not been a Christian nation for longer than we are willing to admit.

Schools are primarily business enterprises. They will accommodate LGBT if they need to. They will listen patiently to the Christian "true believers", wring their hands, and then go ahead and support the LGBT agenda anyway.

18 posted on 07/14/2013 11:28:17 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SoFloFreeper
What word would you use?

HOMOSEXUAL, because there's nothing GAY about it.

19 posted on 07/14/2013 2:11:51 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Apostle Paul uses sodomite and catamite. “Pitchers, Catchers’.

You call things what they are.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 2:51:14 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Well, interestingly enough, Paul did not speak English - and the Hebrew translation is the same as for “unclean.” Yes, I know the word is accurate, and I stand by the opinion that it is totally ineffective, even off putting and counter productive. But some on FR would rather vent than be productive, so knock yourself out.


21 posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:35 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

1 Corinthians 6:10

‘malakoi’ -> Catamites
‘arsenkotai’ -> Sodomites

“stand by the opinion that it is totally ineffective”

It’s like Chesterton - it has not been tried and found ineffective, it’s simply not been tried.

Be honest - when’s the last time you heard the word ‘catamite’?


22 posted on 07/14/2013 3:35:06 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

If you think soundling like John Hagee is going to help our cause, knock yourself out. (I like Hagee sometimes, but then again, I’m not target audience here)
And yes, sodomite has been tried, and it’s now a word that immediately characterizes the user, the way the word fornicate does. Like it or not, it’s a word largely used by angry faux preachers according to the culture. There are other words just as accurate and just as direct.

Be wise as serpents....gentle as doves. Using the word sodomite is neither.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 3:47:54 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I did not ask about sodomite. I asked about Catamite.

When was the last time you heard that word?

“angry faux preachers”

And now we get to the real issue. What’s ‘false’ about the statement that Apostle Paul used the Greek for sodomite and catamite?

Are you calling Paul an ‘angry faux preacher?’

You know, I get the sneaky suspicion you’re a bit light in the loafers, aren’t you?


24 posted on 07/14/2013 3:56:44 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“Were there any folks as absurd as you in his day?”

Again - malokai is rendered as catamite. Arsenkotai is rendered as sodomite.

What exactly is absurd about this? You don’t like the words because the words are truth. And you still haven’t answered my question as to when was the last time you heard the word ‘catamite’.

As I said, you have a real problem with the biblical condemnation of homosexuality. That is why you have distaste for the truth.


26 posted on 07/14/2013 4:06:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Too bad you’re not posting to the FR Religion Forum, your crudity-filled post would be deleted. There was a time not so long ago that it would have been on FR as a whole, but no longer. And, that’s too bad.

Ever considered expanding your apoarently very limited vocabulary, in order to express yourself without such gutteral grunts and references to bodily functions?

Just a suggestion.

27 posted on 07/14/2013 4:12:59 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

WTH are you talking about? Gutteral grunts? References to bodily functions? HUH???


29 posted on 07/14/2013 4:14:59 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“THIS CULTURE. THIS WORD, IN ENGLISH, NOT THE SAME WORD IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE AND ANY OTHER CULTURE.”

Yes, it is. Arsenkotai = sodomite. Malokai = catamite. Both were used by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 6.

“I just said that word has been caricatured out of effectiveness in this culture.”

Which is why you attack preachers who use both words as ‘false preachers’, despite the fact that they are using the bible as it was written and not the watered down, inclusive post modernist ‘variant’ that you prefer.

Words have meaning. We should use the right words for precisely this reason.


30 posted on 07/14/2013 4:16:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Translated words from a couple thousand years ago do not carry the same cultural connotation, even though they technically mean the same thing. I’m sorry, I have over estimated your IQ. Bye.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 4:24:06 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“Translated words from a couple thousand years ago do not carry the same cultural connotation, even though they technically mean the same thing.”

Wow. Ok.

So speaketh the prophet CE Wright. Personally, I gotta side with St. Paul and transcendent objective truth over subjective contextualism.


32 posted on 07/14/2013 4:30:11 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge; C. Edmund Wright
JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")

My question, JCB, is whether, per your tag line, those who live in an unholy land are in any way touched and improved by your presence there. Jesus ordered us to love our enemies. That does not suggest that we ought to overlook sin, but it does suggest that our approach to dealing with those who are trapped in sin is to be restorative. As Wright observes, the insults are counter-productive.

The New Testament is full of lists of sins that will not be found among the residents of heaven. (Matthew 5:28-32; Matthew 19:18-19; Mark 7:21-22; Romans 1:26-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9,1-; 2 Corinthians 12:20; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:3-7,18; Colossians 3:5-8; 1 Timothy 1:9-10; and Revelation 21:8, just to cover a few.) And yes, homosexuality (arsenokoitai and malakoi) is on that list.

But the lists do not stop there. It is clear that if you have even looked upon a woman with lust in your heart you are guilty of adultery. If you have even been angry at someone without cause you are guilty of murder. The lists include envy, slander, pride, foolishness, gossip—I could go on. If you are capable of examining those lists and come away content that you are not guilty, then I suppose you are entitled to throw the first stone.

I see no justification for attacking someone who is among the more thoughtful and reasonable voices on this forum.

You would be correct if you countered that even Jesus used insults. Very true. But he saved the insults for those who were so convinced of their own righteousness, the Pharisees, that they were standing between the people and the God who loves them.

We take care in dealing with those caught in sin because, like them, we are also sinners.

33 posted on 07/15/2013 7:32:24 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: newheart

“I see no justification for attacking someone who is among the more thoughtful and reasonable voices on this forum.”

oh, pfft.

If you don’t understand something, ask first!


34 posted on 07/15/2013 7:40:22 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
If you don’t understand something, ask first!

Other than the question I actually raised (which you are choosing not to answer) I would not know what else to ask.

35 posted on 07/15/2013 7:50:09 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: newheart

One, your ‘friend’ isn’t worth the ink you’ve spilled.

Two, you need to do a google search on the tagline.

Three, it’s generally not recommended to intervene into a dispute that you’ve not been around for and has nothing to do with you.


36 posted on 07/15/2013 7:54:56 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: newheart; JCBreckenridge
Appreciate the input newheart - some thoughts:

My question, JCB, is whether, per your tag line, those who live in an unholy land are in any way touched and improved by your presence there.

Which was my point in the first place: is anything improved by using a word that has become synonymous with huckster rip off artists and hateful fire and brimstone only preachers? I submit it is not. I want the same improvement JCB claims to want....

I see no justification for attacking someone who is among the more thoughtful and reasonable voices on this forum.

I certainly tried to be thoughtful and reasonable in making my points (until I got totally ticked off) - and for my efforts, I was called light in the loafers. Or, put another way, JCB almost called me a sodomite. This after refusing to acknowledge that I was narrowly talking about the english word sodomite, as it connotes today, in the United States. I was clearly not talking about every Greek and Hebrew translation of that word through world history. Those are very different things. And I would also add that the meaning and usage of catamite is disputed throughout history too.

You would be correct if you countered that even Jesus used insults. Very true. But he saved the insults for those who were so convinced of their own righteousness, the Pharisees, that they were standing between the people and the God who loves them.

Which is ironic, ain't it? Who was acting Pharisaical in this exchange?

37 posted on 07/15/2013 8:02:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You gonna post the content of the PMs you sent me, CE Wright?

Then everyone can see you for real?


38 posted on 07/15/2013 8:03:19 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: newheart

Wow...I just bothered to catch up on some posts.....this JCB is one bitter unhappy dude....not skilled in reading comprehension, but oozing misplaced self righteousness.....


39 posted on 07/15/2013 8:04:39 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: JCBreckenridge

hah, nothing I haven’t said here, just a tad saltier (and not that much actually).


40 posted on 07/15/2013 8:09:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well, then. Post it so that everyone can see.

It’s harrassment.


41 posted on 07/15/2013 8:10:40 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

I want you to continue to blow it way out of proportion first....


42 posted on 07/15/2013 8:14:29 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Still waiting.


43 posted on 07/15/2013 8:17:30 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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