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Why Our Democracy Has Succeeded While Others Failed
Townhall.com ^ | July 14, 2013 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 07/14/2013 8:57:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

Egypt is on everyone’s mind as a democratically-elected government was overthrown by the Egyptian military. It is utterly necessary as the country was moving toward an Islamic state, slowly turning into, at minimum, an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. The question becomes why, after only about a year, did the government fail where ours has endured for 226 years?

The answer is right under our noses and we often do not think about it. Our government had the advantage of six giants of history involved from the start. Those men were Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Hamilton. Each one asserted an influence of deep dynamics that thrust us forward on the road to not only being the most successful democracy that has ever existed, but also the most economically successful and sound country in history.

As for Egypt, where are those people. For example, in our evolving time the world now has effective leadership from women, but you don’t see a female face in any of their councils. There may be a few here and there, but none at the highest rungs and none in the Muslim Brotherhood.

If you cast back to our leaders from our inception, these are people who stepped up to the times. As you may have noticed, the list includes our first four presidents who gave our country tremendous stability in the first 28 years. That was despite some severe disagreements. Shays’ Rebellion in 1787 threatened the newly-forming government before it even could get off the ground. Four years later the Whiskey Rebellion challenged President Washington in his first term and threatened the nascent government. Yet, because of the strength of the leadership and structure of our government that had been formed, we survived.

There rarely is any thought of a military coup in the United States. When you hear that comment from people, you can start looking for their aluminum hat. I have spoken to foreigners around the world who have expressed that such a thing would never happen in the USA. Yet because of a totally inept government In Egypt that has left their economy in total disarray, they have further exacerbated the crisis. The economy of Egypt is largely based on turning viewing their ancient sites and antiquities into Disneyland. It is clear only a few brave souls have visited Egypt since Morsi took over as President.

Alexander Hamilton as a protégé to George Washington created a structure for our financial markets. Through the leadership of Washington and his successors, ambitious people came to America and built the free enterprise system that made us the economic engine of the world.

What Morsi did as president of Egypt was spend his time jailing journalists. What he spent his time doing was making laws that subverted the rule of law established in the newly adopted Constitution (that had challenges itself), heading him toward being a dictator and not a president. What he did not do was calm the country so that people could start getting back to work. The people instead took to the streets. Over a quarter of the population (22 million) joined the protests to express Morsi had to go. With no apparent person on the horizon having the ability to unite the Egyptians to move the country forward, who then will take over?

Not only did we have the six giants listed above, we had a bevy of people who were right behind them. You could include John Jay, President of the Continental Congress and the first Chief Justice of the United States. Where is a similar person in Egypt stumping on Morsi’s subversion of the Constitution? John Jay and the other justices would never have let Washington take over as the ultimate ruler. But that never was needed as Washington established the custom of stepping down after two terms. No one ever thought of being a dictator.

We can all come forward with other consequential people in the early stages of America. Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Nathan Hale, Elbridge Gerry and John Hancock are just few. All these people and others made this country what it is today.

We were blessed with great leadership that established the rule of law through a Constitution and their actions. Democracy is not easy. Egypt is a perfect example. Hopefully, during this round Egypt will find some of their own giants. In the meantime, Americans need to be patient because democracy takes time.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: democracy; egypt; foundingfathers; usa

1 posted on 07/14/2013 8:57:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

1) Because we are a Republic.

2) I think it’s pretty clear that our “Democracy” has failed.


2 posted on 07/14/2013 9:01:05 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin
The colonies were largely democratic* on local and colonial matters before the Revolution. If anything, our Revolution could be considered a democratic counterrevolution against the king for trying to assert powers he did not have (or at least had never used) before the French and Indian War.

*democratic in the general meaning of rule by the people. I'm not trying to start a Athenian pure democracy vs. republican fight here.

3 posted on 07/14/2013 9:05:29 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: Maceman

I agree. Its so incredibly sad.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 9:05:39 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Maceman
Everything was fine until the 19th Amendment.
5 posted on 07/14/2013 9:06:42 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Kaslin

I would submit that there are two things that are overlooked here.

One, it takes a Judeo-Christian mindset to make a Republic work for all the people.

Two, the founding civilization may have been poor, but it could feed itself base on tapping the bounty of the land.

Egypt has neither of these things.

Our Founders where mental giants. Sadly, through time our fellow citizens have come to accept mental midgets.


6 posted on 07/14/2013 9:10:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: Kaslin

having the atlantic and pacific oceans plus non aggressive neighbors to the north and south helped.


7 posted on 07/14/2013 9:11:19 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Kaslin

Duh. It failed because they’re Islamic. Republicanism is antithetical to Mohammedanism, which is a political/religious system.

Bush was clever in attempting to create a republic in Iraq. It weakens the grip.of Islam. If one tenet can be ignored, then other tenets become negotiable.

Give the author a buck to buy a clue.


8 posted on 07/14/2013 9:12:42 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Everything was fine until the 19th Amendment.

No, it was the 16th Amendment that made our descent into tyranny inevitable.

9 posted on 07/14/2013 9:14:19 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin

According to Eleanor Clift, if you have a petition of 25% of the people, then a coup is justified.


10 posted on 07/14/2013 9:15:41 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Maceman
Definition of DEMOCRACY

1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Link


Definition of REPUBLIC

1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

Link

11 posted on 07/14/2013 9:17:01 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Maceman

Exactly, Democracy always eventually fails, it’s just a matter of time.

We were formed as a republic and have thus endured the test of time.


12 posted on 07/14/2013 9:21:48 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
We were formed as a republic and have thus endured the test of time.

Until we didn't.

13 posted on 07/14/2013 9:24:26 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Maceman; Cowboy Bob

16 (enabled wealth redistribution), 17 (killed federalism), 19 (made the electorate more sensitive to emotional appeals) and 24 (mandated representation without taxation) all played a part IMHO.

I’ll add abusive interpretations of 14. As-written this amendment is fine, but it’s used to justify federal overreach.


14 posted on 07/14/2013 9:25:39 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Kaslin
Why Our Democracy Has Succeeded

Sorry for chopping the title.

But this is exactly right.

Succeeded can be the past tense of succeed. And that's where we are. Our Democracy is rapidly drawing to a close.

Are y'all pissed off enough?

15 posted on 07/14/2013 9:32:40 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Kaslin

If our republic was dependent upon great leadership, it would have failed under mediocre or poor leadership. Though it is hanging by a thread today, it has nothing to do with leadership.

The reason the USA was so successful for so long was primarily because of self-government and a population that was up to the task. At the time of the Revolution, the colonists already had 150 years of experience with self-government.

No other newly formed country already had the existing expertise within its population to be self-sustaining.

The problem we now face is that since the Fabian Socialists started infiltrating our academic system back in the late 1800’s, We the People have gradually abdicated our civic responsibilities.

About a century ago, we started the subjugation of the citizens with the 16th Amendment (personal income tax), emasculated our States with the 17th Amendment (general election of Senators), and initiated the elimination of citizen statesmen in the House with a House rule limiting membership to 435 (dramatically increasing the constituency of each House Seat over the next century).

It is now “accepted knowledge” that politics is distasteful and should not be engaged. The Frankfurt School and Russian communist infiltrators accelerated the trend with the New Deal, (Social Security) and War on Poverty, (welfare state).

We have lost the disciplines and skills of self-government. Unless We the People regain the determination, skills and disciplines, we will forfeit by our inaction the hard won freedoms we used to, and in some small part, still enjoy.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 9:47:51 AM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: Kaslin

Sadly we are a failed Republic.


17 posted on 07/14/2013 9:52:33 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Maceman

In 1787, Alexander Tyler of the University of Edinborough wrote that all
democracies go through eight stages, two hundred years being the average cycle
time. The stages are:

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back to bondage.


18 posted on 07/14/2013 10:16:10 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata
Actually, while I agree with the underlying truth expressed in those words, you should know that it is not an established fact that Tytler actually said them.

This quote started appearing on the Internet during the 2000 election, but its actually authorship is a matter of some contention.

The full quote, BTW is:

A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

"The average age of the worlds’ greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage."

19 posted on 07/14/2013 10:28:31 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin

Well, we were succeeding until someone convinced the idiots that we were a democracy.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 10:34:15 AM PDT by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Maceman

Thanks, Maceman.


21 posted on 07/14/2013 10:36:53 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I am not will to go that far yet. Unfortunately, we are on our way though :(


22 posted on 07/14/2013 10:39:57 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Maceman

From dependence back into bondage.


IMO, we’re now in this stage.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 10:43:24 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Washi

Read the definitions from Merriam Webster dictionary.com of democracy and republic that I posted in #11


24 posted on 07/14/2013 10:46:00 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

WE are going to get it back just not through the ballot box.


25 posted on 07/14/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin
Read the definitions from Merriam Webster dictionary.com of democracy and republic that I posted in #11

Done.

Did you have a further point?

26 posted on 07/14/2013 10:49:55 AM PDT by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Kaslin

we are a constitutional republic, not a mob-rule democracy. you want to see a democracy - try france’s Godless revolution and about 20-plus shredded constitutions plus a napoleon a couple times in the same span of our constitution.


27 posted on 07/14/2013 11:00:48 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: laplata

Sadly, you are right. I cannot believe my beloved country has come to this, but it has.


28 posted on 07/14/2013 11:04:18 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Maceman

It’s extremely sad. And the transition is going to get ugly, I believe.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 11:06:40 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Kaslin
a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote

The operative idea is "in a a body of citizens entitled to vote".

NOT Universal Suffrage.

When you let the poor, the young and foolish, and imbeciles have the franchise, you get a communist faggot in the WH.

Twice.

Universal Suffrage has mortally wounded this nation.

Collapse is inevitable.

30 posted on 07/14/2013 11:12:24 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Kaslin
The economy of Egypt is largely based on turning viewing their ancient sites and antiquities into Disneyland.

If they would turn those sites over to Disney, they would have a booming economy. At the cost of their heritage of course.

As for the rest, a big part of our "success" if you want to call it that, is the simple fact that not only did we have incredibly brilliant people around to help found the nation, we had a blank slate - we were transitioning from a distant government to a local government, and not simply replacing the government that was in place.

We also had a large group of people who were there because their ancestors had chaffed against the established authorities, and those rebellious views had been passed down through the generations. The people founding this country were wanting to stay away from the problems that plagued their ancestors' native countries, and it's very easy to make a new and lasting government when you start out by defining what it isn't (the nasty parts from the ancestors' countries).
31 posted on 07/14/2013 11:13:15 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Cowboy Bob
Everything was fine until the 19th Amendment.

I won't argue that point. I read an article from someone at U of Chicago & proved how liberal the nation changed after this passed. Now as far a women holding offices I all for it.

32 posted on 07/14/2013 11:34:01 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Kaslin

Ours has failed!

We have gone the way of Rome but it only took us 200 years where it took the Romans 800 to screw it up!


33 posted on 07/14/2013 11:42:22 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Maceman
Spot on Maceman! All democracies are doomed to fair, rather quickly.
34 posted on 07/14/2013 11:43:30 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Kaslin

Succeeded? Failing more each year. It didn’t used to be a Socialist Democracy.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 12:05:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

bump

this one is over too


36 posted on 07/14/2013 12:07:11 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Secret Agent Man
we are a constitutional republic

Barack, his administrative monkeys, and not the Congress write the vast majority of rules we live under.

Only the outer shell, the visible forms of our once republic remains. Its vital organs are gone.

37 posted on 07/14/2013 12:13:07 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: jtal; Maceman; Cowboy Bob

I would interject it was the failure of We the People in the 191x’s.

Even WITH all those things you state, if the courts had done their job, or people would have pressed the courts and/or their representatives, there would have been a WHOLE lot of WTF!? when $$ was being taxed and not SPENT on anything.

It was the failure to reign in the Communism/Socialism of that time vs. the Constitution. “Fine, you have an Amendment to tax income, you don’t have authority to SPEND it on anything” (ala SS/Medicare/Poverty/etc.)

Compound that with the failure of the Citizenry of the 60’s-70’s to hold the line when 1 head of household could have a job, a car, college, 2+ kids, vacations, etc. and not TAXED OUT THE WAZOO to the point where were are today (man/wife foisting their brood off on others to raise to make the mighty $$ so they can keep a roof over their heads while the taxman strips them of every penny possible)


38 posted on 07/14/2013 3:52:36 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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