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State senator aims to give tax break to home-schoolers
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | July 12, 2013 | Brandon Blackwell

Posted on 07/14/2013 11:35:52 AM PDT by Deadeye Division

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A state lawmaker wants to give a tax break to property owners who home-school their children.

State Sen. Kris Jordan introduced a bill that would reduce property taxes for parents who home-school their children that is equal to the amount they pay for school levies in their local districts.

Jordan said the legislation -- Senate Bill 127 -- will help those who “sacrifice so much” to home-school a child. One group argues that the measure could lead to more tax breaks at the expense of public education.

“People who home-school pay twice for the education of their kids,” the Central Ohio Republican said. “They pay their taxes. Then they pay for supplies, transportation and everything else out of their own pockets.”

If passed, SB 127 would save home-schooling property owners in the Cleveland school district about $1,500 each year per $100,000 of home value. Shaker Heights homeschoolers would reap the greatest benefit -- about $2,800 per $100,000 of home value.

“That extra thousand or two will help them buy books, or help them take their kids to museums and give mom and dad a little extra money to educate their kids,” Jordan said.

The money saved by property owners would be money lost by local school districts.

Across the state, more than 10,000 children are educated at home, according to the Ohio Department of Education. The numbers do not indicate if the students are taught in owner-occupied residences and would therefore qualify the homeowners for Jordan’s proposed tax break.

The number of home-schooled children varies widely by district. More than 150 children are home-schooled in the Cleveland School District, and fewer than 10 are home-schooled in Shaker Heights.

Jordan said the impact on local school districts would be minimal.

“I don’t think it will have a dramatic impact on any school district,” Jordan said. “It’s just a tool to help moms and dads better educate their children. If moms and dads want to home-school their kids, we want to help them however we can.

“What I hear people complaining about from the right and the left is that we need more parental involvement with children and education, and nothing gives better involvement than home-schooling.”

The Ohio School Boards Association staunchly opposes the legislation.

“It takes away from something we think every sector of the economy should pay for, their fair share of public education,” said Jay Smith, a lobbyist for OSBA, adding that SB 127 could lead to a slippery slope of tax breaks for others who keep their kids out of public schools.

“What about those who don’t have children? Shouldn’t they be granted the same?” Smith asked. “What about those who choose to send their child to private school? It could just escalate.”

Smith’s fears are not off the mark.

Jordan said he would eventually like to see an end to public school reliance on taxes from property owners who don’t have kids in public schools. He also said home-schooling is an issue close to his heart.

“I was a public school child, but because my mom was a teacher, I kind of feel like I was home-schooled,” Jordan said. “My mom spent many, many hours reading and working with me, so I wasn’t behind like many children are who are enrolled in public education.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: homeschool

1 posted on 07/14/2013 11:35:52 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
What about people like me???
I have no kids. Why should I pay for someone elses freight?
2 posted on 07/14/2013 11:39:43 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Deadeye Division

And for property owners without school aged children, they also get a break? For parents who pay for their children to go to private schools, they also get a break?

This is an awful idea. Well intentioned, but the core of any law should be: Does it apply to (most) every one? If not, you’re making an exception, and exceptions make horrible basis for laws.


3 posted on 07/14/2013 11:43:37 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu
Don't want it. We are in our 18th year of home schooling. I don't want a tax break or a waiver. We educate our children so we can give them education I want them to have. If the government is giving me money they can tell me how I can and can't spend it. No thanks. I pay my taxes to the county for the ridiculously overpriced school that the county just built, and we use none of it.

Personally I don't want the county, or state for that matter in my business, just leave me alone and stop trying to "help" me out. I will pay the taxes I am required to pay, someone needs to. How else will the school be able to give free lunches, and birth control.

4 posted on 07/14/2013 12:01:50 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: Deadeye Division

This is to eradicate home schooling by regulating it. Once they give you something they control you. Average Joe will fall for it though.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 12:09:01 PM PDT by albie (t allowed)
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To: mountn man

“What about people like me???
I have no kids. Why should I pay for someone elses freight? “

I agree. I vote against all tax breaks of any kind. They establish a privileged constituency who then vote themselves more breaks. If the taxes are a burden on some they are a burden on all.


6 posted on 07/14/2013 12:10:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather; All

Did anyone catch the party of the Kris Jordan ?


7 posted on 07/14/2013 12:32:45 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Never mind .. got it ... Republican


8 posted on 07/14/2013 12:34:40 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf

This guy?

http://www.ohiosenate.gov/jordan

Pubby.


9 posted on 07/14/2013 12:34:55 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Deadeye Division

My wife and I pay a lot of property tax, which pays for the local schools. Just like most other home-owners.

But we also pay a LOT of money for homeschooling curriculum.

It would be nice to get a tax break, to offset the cost of paying twice for our children’s educational expenses.


10 posted on 07/14/2013 12:48:05 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: mountn man

Because it is the working children who will be supporting you in old age in this corrupt system that we erected which steals private property for all sorts of reasons.

People who have to “raise” their own children—and educate them—and don’t want them to be indoctrinated into hedonism/atheism/Marxism—have to pay twice to keep their children from being corrupted by the State and do their Natural job (which is their Natural Right which they are FINED to do)-—and that makes it impossible for many parents to be able to homeschool.

The only way to get out of this Marxist hellhole-—is to have children truly educated like prior to John Dewey—who forced Moral Relativism/Socialism into all the curricula and destroyed Knowledge and erased Good and Evil by getting rid of Classical education and the Bible-—which is all the McGuffey Readers contained.

Education of the children is the ONLY way to save this Republic-—and for parents who are taxed to death so they give their kids up to the State to raise and indoctrinate-———we need to break that cycle-—take back the minds of children which are easily corrupted by the Marxist curricula which is embedded with “operant conditioning” to remove Reason and Logic from minds of our children.


11 posted on 07/14/2013 12:51:09 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: mountn man

I have no kids. Why should I pay for someone elses freight?

Raising the next generation is far more important than simply paying your own way. If all you are doing for the conservative effort is paying taxes, you should be happy to help out those who are on the front lines like homeschoolers.


12 posted on 07/14/2013 12:57:56 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Deadeye Division; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; ...

Ohio Ping


13 posted on 07/14/2013 1:00:01 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: mountn man

They’ll be paying your “freight” when you collect S.S.

You’re not stupid enough to think all that money you paid in will still be there, are you?


14 posted on 07/14/2013 1:07:31 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: freedomfiter2
The point is, make parents pay the freight of educating THEIR kids. Its THEIR responsibility.

Homeschooling parents spend a few thousand a year, educating their kids. Meanwhile public schools spend $10k-$11k+ per child.

Don't tax the homeschool family, if they aren't using the school system. But like wise, don't tax those of us without kids, who aren't using the system either.

If people want to send their kids to fancy public schools, with swimming pools and football fields and multi million dollar gymnasiums and dance studios and laptop computers for every child, by all means, have at it.

But if that's what people want, let THEM pay for it.

I was involved with the Jr. High ministry at my old church for many years. I had many students that were home schooled. My home schooled kids were the best adjusted, best behaved kids.

Home school kids, on average, are better educated, and better adjusted and better prepared for life, than the average public school child. All for a tiny fraction of the price of public education.

If I had kids, I'd homeschool them. And I'd want a tax break.

But I don't have kids and I still want the tax break.

A married couple that makes what I make will be in the 15% tax bracket, maybe just into the 25%. I'm in the 25%-28% bracket. They'll pay 10% on there FIRST $17,850. I'll pay 10% on my first $8,925.

A family with 2 kids in public school uses up over $20k of taxes.

A family with 2 kids, making $50k a year (over the average family income), using standard deductions will pay $3,600 in federal income tax. But use over $20k in taxes on public education.

I'll pay over $13k in federal income taxes, but have no kids in public education using up ZERO tax dollars.

15 posted on 07/14/2013 1:35:44 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: savagesusie

Thank you Ma’am for the most thoughtful post so far.

It is to the benefit of society for it to support the “proper” upbringing of children.
The evil in this world is still corrupting the effort from all sides.
Unless all those with intelligence and high moral standards make destroying the evil part of their life’s work, “making the world a better place for my children and theirs” will never be possible again.

Unfortunately, the evil infects us all, making many of us selfish. Many of us don’t feel we should have a part of the responsibility for improving others’ lots.
“Christian Charity” to them is evil.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 1:36:35 PM PDT by plsjr (<>< Mankind "knows" by trial and error; Only the CREATOR really knows his creation.)
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To: zipper
They’ll be paying your “freight” when you collect S.S.

You’re not stupid enough to think all that money you paid in will still be there, are you?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I'm not stupid enough to believe SS will still be there when I retire.

17 posted on 07/14/2013 1:37:53 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: freedomfiter2
Joe Biden is that you???

Paying more taxes is patriotic and all that.

So if I pay for your kids, I'm just being more patriotic.

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit. Somebody play Yankee Doodle.

I spent 18 years of my adult life volunteering with kids at church. 13 of those years on Saturday mornings from about 8:30-1:00, when I could have been doing whatever I WANTED to do (but working with kids on Saturday was what I wanted to do). Out of those 13 years, about 10 of them, I went to summer camp, for 1 week or 2. I don't get paid vacations in my line of work. So I ate 1-2 weeks of pay, every year, so I could pour into others.

Every year we had a weekend retreat. We'd take the kids to a camp in Wisconsin. We'd leave around 5:00pm on Friday night (Meaning most of us had to leave work early). Then we'd get back around 3:00pm on Sunday. A weekend of hanging with kids, talking, laughing, having pillow fights, eating pizza, making farting noises. Things JR High boys love to do.

I have friends at a youth camp out west, that I've tried to help support. I've taken HS and Jr High kids backpacking in the mountains, teaching them mountaineering and trying to help them have a closer relationship with Christ.

I've spent time building fences, splitting wood, operating a bulldozer to build a shooting range. All so that camp could better reach out to kids.

So before you get on your self righteous high horse, maybe you ought to look at the Sunday School teacher, or Awana leader, or sports coach that pours into YOUR KIDS and thank them, instead of thinking that they should be doing more for YOUR family.

Oh...now do I think it was worth it?

I have had the honor and pleasure of either standing up or some how being in 4 weddings, from guys that were my guys, when they were in Jr High. I have been to Nebraska, Colorado, Texas and Montana to be with my guys, as my guys are now MY FRIENDS in their early 30's.

My friends at the camp out west. Well the camp director is one of "my guys". One of his staff members wasn't necessarily one of "my guys" in Jr High, but he kind of adopted into the group when they moved on into HS. His wife, was on another team in Jr High. But in HS she came back as a leader on my team, where we became good friends.

And I wouldn't trade any of it.

18 posted on 07/14/2013 2:21:31 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: plsjr; savagesusie

See #18


19 posted on 07/14/2013 2:23:54 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Gen.Blather
K JORDIN ...FOR PRESIDENT....FOR THE CHILDREN AND I MEAN IT!
20 posted on 07/14/2013 2:24:39 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: DYngbld; Mountain man; kingu; albie
Even better: abolish public schooling. And no, I'm not kidding.

Alliance for the Separation of School and State (LINK)

21 posted on 07/14/2013 3:17:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellent.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 3:18:28 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man
Why should I pay for someone elses freight?

This is where you see so called suburban conservative republicans display a sense of entitlement that would make they stereotypical inner city welfare queen blush. This is where the hypocrisy comes out, along with all the excuses as to why it's okay. They want someone else to put a gun to the heads of their neighbors and force them to pay for their kids to play games, be in clubs and if they get some three R's in between, bonus!

23 posted on 07/14/2013 5:28:39 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: albie
Once they give you something they control you. Average Joe will fall for it though.

Let them learn the hard way...like they did with marriage. Maybe it will start to soak in one these days.

24 posted on 07/14/2013 5:32:25 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: freedomfiter2; mountn man
If all you are doing for the conservative effort is paying taxes, you should be happy to help out those who are on the front lines like homeschoolers.

Are you willing to kill the people who would rather not help the homeschoolers?

25 posted on 07/14/2013 5:36:43 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Deadeye Division

An idea whose time has come: Separation of school and state.


26 posted on 07/14/2013 5:40:34 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
abolish public schooling. And no, I'm not kidding.

Starve the beast.

27 posted on 07/14/2013 5:43:54 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That would be my first choice.


28 posted on 07/14/2013 6:03:49 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: mountn man

It’ll be there because no politician has the guts to oppose it. But like any ponzi scheme the people in it at the end get shafted the worst, especially if the numbers of recruits (who are now children) drop.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 7:25:55 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: DYngbld

bump


30 posted on 07/14/2013 7:31:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Orangedog
I agree with you here.

For them, its about OTHERS doing for THM.

Parents complaining about having to drop THEIR kids off here or there.

Of course they're DROPPING their kids off. "Doing their part."
Of course, while they're complaining how hard driving THEIR KID around and dropping them off is, they seem not to notice that SOMEBODY ELSE is taking time out of their schedule to coach their kid.
Twenty kids (Or whatever the number is) on a soccer team. How many parents are involved with coaching or helping the coach?
Oh boy, but they are good parents, they show up at the game and root the child on. Oh boy goody for them. Meanwhile, while their in the bleachers cheering THEIR KID, their coach is on the sideline, teaching, encouraging, hugging EACH AND EVERY one of the kids on that team.

I was fortunate in the years that I volunteered with kids. I had some great parents involved.

But after 13 years, I felt it was over, and time to move on. One year later, the elders of the church made a decision to change the jr high ministry. After 20 years of meeting on Saturday mornings, the elders decided that the jr high ministry would now meet DURING the weekend services.

They did this without consulting the staff (full time staff...VERY LARGE church...very big ministry).

It seems some parents had been complaining that it was too hard for them to go to mid week services then take their kids to jr high ministry and then go to a weekend service. (The church is a seeker friendly church where weekend services were more casual, "seeker" oriented. Mid week services were more meat and potatoes)

My attitude was:
"Let me get this straight, they have to go to mid week services, on Wednesday or Thursday night, THHHEENNNN they have to drop their child of at jr high ministry on Saturday morning, THHHEENNNN they go back and pick them up at noon, THHHEENNNN they have to go to church either Saturday night or Sunday morning, ALLLLL ON TOP of having to work a job. YEAH SO...I did that for 13 years, WITHOUT complaining...for 13 years...for kids that weren't even mine. And there were literally a hundred other leaders who did the same thing.
But it was too hard for the parents...OH WAAAAAAH!!!!"

So know, instead of having another adult trying to pour into their child for 2-1/2 hours during a week, now its about 45 minutes to an hour.

I lost all respect for the elders at that point.
I mean, that's leadership? Some parents complain that things are inconvenient, so lets change to make things more convenient for them.

Me: "Hey!!! These are your kids here. You brought them into the world. They are YOUR RESPONSIBILITY." There should be nothing more important to those parents than the raising of that child. Don't talk to me about being a little inconvenienced.

I have no respect, ZERO, for the panty wastes who posted above, who think that OTHERS...SHOULD BE involved in the raising of THEIR kids, and that its fine to tax others so that they don't have to carry the burden of providing for THEIR kids education.

31 posted on 07/14/2013 7:57:35 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: zipper
Wishful thinking.

$2.6 TRILLION in a SS lockbox, of nothing but IOU's.

By law, any "surplus" in SS, SS has to buy government bonds. Government bonds, to pay for things like roads, bridges, levies (Like NOLA, that were never built), fountains, government trips...
General expenses, that when normal budgeting couldn't afford, they just used the money from the bonds, to pay for the things they wanted.

Well, I'm not sure you're aware, but SS no longer has a surplus every year. With the drop in employment came a drop in SS taxes.

Soon SS will be running deficits and it'll be time to open the lock box and start pulling out and cashing in those government bonds. Bonds where the money has already been spent.

We are running $1 TRILLION a year deficits...just on our everyday spending. We are $16.7 TRILLION in debt. Where are we supposed to get more money to pay back the government bonds sitting in SS? There are approximately 311 million people in the US. There are about 155 million in the work force. If SS started running a deficit of $155 BILLION a year (Which seems like nothing when your talking $1+ TRILLION a year in general spending deficit) That would be an extra $1000 a year for EVERY WORKER to contribute just to try and keep SS afloat.

And we haven't even talked about the extra costs Obamacare is going to place on everybody.

32 posted on 07/14/2013 8:15:49 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Deadeye Division

Across the state, more than 10,000 children are educated at home, according to the Ohio Department of Education.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It’s likely 5 times that number. I never trust the government’s numbers on homeschoolers.


33 posted on 07/14/2013 8:19:22 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: mountn man
You shouldn’t. I stand with you.

Education is no more special than food. clothing, or housing. If parents can provide food, clothing, and housing for their kids, they should pay for education as well.

34 posted on 07/14/2013 8:22:27 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: freedomfiter2

Raising the next generation is far more important than simply paying your own way.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Using this reasoning we would have socialist-entitlement grocery distribution centers and Soviet style clothing and cement block rabbit hutches to live in.

Gee! isn’t food, clothing, and housing more important that education?


35 posted on 07/14/2013 8:26:37 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: plsjr

Unfortunately, the evil infects us all, making many of us selfish. Many of us don’t feel we should have a part of the responsibility for improving others’ lots.
“Christian Charity” to them is evil.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Compulsory funding of socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling ( under threat of armed police action and court threat) isn’t my definition of Christian charity.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 8:30:11 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

bump


37 posted on 07/14/2013 8:34:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: mountn man

Americans are the most generous people on earth. If all government socialist-entitlement schooling were to disappear tomorrow, does anyone **seriously*** believe that **generous** Americans would leave any child without access to an education? No, of course not!

Imagine this. What if schooling in the U.S. resembled the volunteer effort seen in our Volunteer Fire Departments. I have lived in two communities with volunteer fire departments and they were **first class** in training and equipment.

Question: What if we had **volunteer** community education?


38 posted on 07/14/2013 8:36:31 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
I believe if education "funding" were voluntary INSTEAD of compulsory, I think we would have a MUCH, MUCH BETTER system.

Simply from the fact that with it being compulsory, there is just so much waste and graft.

At a voluntary level, those involved are going to want to make sure that their giving is going to a worthwhile cause. Or people will head up causes themselves to get things done. Instead of leaving it up to bureaucrats and politicians.

The real problem...And not just in the inner city, but everywhere...and that is people taking up PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

39 posted on 07/14/2013 8:44:36 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man
Soon SS will be running deficits and it'll be time to open the lock box...

Nobody has lamented the destructive, reckless spending of the government more than me -- I predicted we would already be in collapse, though it somehow hasn't quite happened yet.

Don't even mention the "lock box" -- there never was one, and it's naive to even assume so.

You can lecture all you want about how you don't expect SS but I hear this from people every day and every one of them will fight tooth and nail to secure "their money" they think they put into that "lock box". The fact that they even use the term "lock box" reveals their true expectations.

But as I see it the biggest problem we have in the long term is a decline in fertility. 50 million abortions and pop narcissism have put us into a position in which both political parties welcome tens of millions of illegals, because the only way to replace the workers we have is to import them from abroad. It's leading to the death or balkanization of our entire culture. It's happening in Europe right now, and it's not a pretty picture.

40 posted on 07/14/2013 9:28:50 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

Well, I do agree with you, 100%


41 posted on 07/14/2013 9:35:18 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: wintertime

Homeschooling isn’t only about education. It’s more of a “i can do it by myself “ worldview.


42 posted on 07/15/2013 3:31:43 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2; wintertime
Homeschooling isn’t only about education. It’s more of a “i can do it by myself “ worldview.

You obviously DON'T KNOW homeschooling then. MOST homeschoolers are very involved with other homeschoolers. They form little groups or co-ops. They set up field trips together, share resources, tutor each others kids. If there is a parent who excels at a certain subject, oft times that parent will tutor other kids not within their family. And if there are no parents with a certain skill, such as music, the "co-op" hires a music teacher to teach the group and the families share the expense of paying that teacher.

MOST homeschool families understand the importance of social interaction for young people, so they make sure that there kids are involved with extra curricular activities. Be they sporting programs, church activities, scouting or even family businesses.

I have found that my kids who were home schooled, were the most consistant in coming out. Their parents were the most engaged in what was going on. And probably because of the co-op mindset, the most eager to offer assistance.

Homeschoolers do have a tendency to have a very self determined and self sufficient attitude, but it is not a self oriented or a self only mind set. Quite the opposite. Homeschoolers realize that they don't have the same "resources" as public or private schoolers, so they are more engaged with others, to make sure that their kids are up to speed, not just educationally, but socially and emotionally.

From my experience, homeschool parents are MORE AWARE of what's going on in their child's life than most public school parents. They're not assuming their child is learning this or that. They're not assuming all is good and normal, because they'd get a call if it wasn't. There is nobody to call them, because the parent is the one involved and responsible, not a teacher (of 30 kids at a time).

43 posted on 07/15/2013 5:46:48 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

Of course, being connected to your community is an important part of pulling your own weight. That is something that most homeschoolers understand.


44 posted on 07/15/2013 8:28:39 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: wintertime

I see you have bought into the assertion that confiscatory taxation to be used by elites and bureaucrats to pay off constituencies is considered “Christian Charity”.

No.


45 posted on 07/16/2013 1:08:17 PM PDT by plsjr (<>< Mankind "knows" by trial and error; Only the CREATOR really knows his creation.)
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