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In Motion: Counties in Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas Consider Forming 51st State
townhall.com ^ | July 14, 2013 | Mark Baisley

Posted on 07/14/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by Kaslin

Newton’s Third Law of Motion is beginning to be realized in western states politics.  For every action of gun control, big union power grab, and anti-fracking, there is an equal and opposite reaction from liberty.  State legislators are being successfully recalled by their constituent voters.  Citizens and parents are regaining control of their local school boards.  And a large gathering of contiguous counties of Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas are exploring the idea of forming a 51st state.

If all goes well for the denizens of Weld County, Colo., come November, there will be an item on their ballots asking them to vote on a new brewing issue: seceding with eight other Northern counties from the state of Colorado and forming America’s 51st state, Northern Colorado.

Apparently, they’re not bluffing. On Tuesday, Weld County's commissioners raised the issue quite seriously at a bi-annual meeting of the state's county commissioners. Sean Conway, one of Weld's five commissioners, said the idea had first been raised about two to three months ago by a group of concerned citizens.

Precisely 100 years after Isaac Newton published Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy), representatives from the original thirteen states convened in Philadelphia for the adoption of the United States Constitution.  What the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had in common with Isaac Newton was the goal of codifying natural laws.

Newton was addressing the matter of physics with his Laws of Motion.  The state delegates were addressing the matter of self-governance with the Laws of Nature.

The United States Constitution was written as the supreme law in reflection of the discoveries pronounced in the Declaration of Independence eleven years earlier.  Rather than promoting some desired utopian outcome, the delegates were attempting to capture an understanding of the Laws of Nature.  Their guidance came from the postulate concepts in the nation’s founding document, that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Newton’s Laws of Motion are (1) an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity unless acted upon by a force, (2) the acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the force acting on the body, and (3) when one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.

MIT’s magnificent physics professor Walter Lewin effectively explains the foundation of these principles with, “Can Newton’s Law be proven?  The answer is ‘No...’  Do we believe in this?  Yes, we do.  We believe in it since it is consistent within the uncertainty of the measurements which all experiments that have been done.”

Similarly, Newton’s greatest admirer, Thomas Jefferson, provided the basis for constitutional law with his own founding principle, “We hold these truths to be self evident.”  Jefferson’s approach to building the new nation reflected the science of those who had experimented before him, Francis Bacon, John Locke and Isaac Newton.  In ordering a bust to be made of these icons, Jefferson wrote, “I consider them as the three greatest men that have ever lived, without any exception, and as having laid the foundations of those superstructures which have been raised in the Physical & Moral sciences, I would wish to form them into a knot on the same canvas, that they may not be confounded at all with the herd of other great men.”

The reason that Americans have enjoyed such enduring success is that its cornerstone was fixed on the intended design for humanity as could best be understood from the cumulative experiences of history in the 18th Century.  And the reason that the experiment seems to be rapidly failing in the 21st Century is that we have elected leaders who hold utopian ambitions rather than humble wisdom.

The people can look at 200 years of liberty to see the unprecedented results of Locke’s theories put into practice by Jefferson.  And they can observe 50 years of Soros’ and Bloomberg’s theories put into practice in Detroit, California and Chicago by the Democratic Party, the AFL/CIO, the ACLU, and some well-placed judges.

One approach envisions the pursuit of happiness while the other envisions controlled perfection.  The two hypotheses are in conflict.  And only one is proven.




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1 posted on 07/14/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The problem here in Maryland is that outlying Counties on the eastern shore. Western Maryland and Southern Md. would love to dump O’Malley and his Democrat cabal, but he has the middle of the state, and it’s Obama voters locked in.


2 posted on 07/14/2013 11:50:12 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

Which counties are they speaking about?


3 posted on 07/14/2013 11:51:00 AM PDT by peggybac (My boss I respect, my father I revered. Chris Rock, Mr. Obama is NOT my boss or my father.)
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To: Kaslin

Perfectly constitutional. Takes only a majority of votes in the state legislature and in Congress. Which, of course, is not gonna happen.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin
WOOHOO!!! Estes Park is in Larimer County.

I love it there. Wouldn't mind finding me a piece of land and building a log home there, when retirement time comes around.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 11:53:34 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: peggybac

It have to be those that touch each other through boundaries


6 posted on 07/14/2013 11:54:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: mountn man

Waht a pretty area. I would not blame you


7 posted on 07/14/2013 11:56:40 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Make that what


8 posted on 07/14/2013 11:57:22 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: mountn man

Was there once, about sixty years ago. What a beautiful place.


9 posted on 07/14/2013 11:59:21 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Kaslin

I’d love to see something like this get started in north Florida. Draw a line from north of Daytona Beach, to Gainesville (University of Florida) and over to north of the Tampa Bay area, and everything under that line would become “New Florida” or “South Florida.” We’d still be stuck with Tallahassee but we could deal with it.


10 posted on 07/14/2013 11:59:24 AM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r

We could add south Ga too to that mix. I would go for it even if it does not go that far south into Fla. My sister in law and her husband live in St Augustine and they are wide eyed liberals as are most of their nearby neighbors whom I have had the displeasure of meeting.


11 posted on 07/14/2013 12:02:41 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Kaslin
Trying to think of a name here...

Ummm...

How about ... New Kansacolaska?

.

12 posted on 07/14/2013 12:02:45 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Venturer
...outlying Counties on the eastern shore. Western Maryland and Southern Md. would love to dump O’Malley and his Democrat cabal...

Don't be so quick to include Charles County in that generalization; for the most part it's gone over the the Dark Side after years of Liberal migration from Prince George's county to the north.

Typical scenario: they've ruined their area with years of Liberal insanity and one-party corruption; now they're migrating south for better schools, lower taxes and less crime: the same thing their forebears did when they moved out of D.C. into then-conservative, rural Prince George's County in the 60's and 70's.

13 posted on 07/14/2013 12:03:49 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: SLB

Fyi


14 posted on 07/14/2013 12:03:53 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: reg45
My first time there was about 13 years ago.

I was driving up from Denver, with my buddy's sister, along US-36.
We came around a curve and the valley opened up in front of us, then Rocky Mountain National Park came into view to the left of us.

I took a literal gasp and said "WOW".
My buddy's sister said "Yep, I was expecting you to do something like that."

Now...EVERY TIME I go to Colorado, I make my way up to EP and RMNP.

This is about what I saw the first time.



15 posted on 07/14/2013 12:11:24 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Sherman Logan; All

Maybe it could happen if they link up with the people in Washington, DC who also want to be a state. DC has around 630,000 population, more than Wyoming and Vermont. Past tradition has been to introduce pairs of states on opposite sides of some idea. Here we have DC, Liberal, and “North Colorado” and contiguous areas, conservative.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 12:14:30 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: mountn man

Let’s not forget Jefferson(cal + oregon).


17 posted on 07/14/2013 12:14:55 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Kaslin

Is there a map?


18 posted on 07/14/2013 12:20:18 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: DIRTYSECRET
What? Jefferson County? Where Denver is.
South of Boulder County, the liberal arm pit of the state.
19 posted on 07/14/2013 12:21:40 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Sherman Logan
Perfectly constitutional. Takes only a majority of votes in the state legislature and in Congress. Which, of course, is not gonna happen.

If Congress were to veto a legitimate Article IV Section 3 act by the states along party lines solely for the petty national political party agenda purposes of a few key individuals, it would be another reason to call for an Article V convention to repeal the 17th amendment and return control of Congress to the states.

-PJ

20 posted on 07/14/2013 12:22:21 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Kaslin
i would love to live in a state called WEST New York...
21 posted on 07/14/2013 12:26:45 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: gleeaikin

“Here we have DC, Liberal, and “North Colorado” and contiguous areas, conservative.”

Yes. But then the rest of Colorado goes hard left. It is far from there yet. Will we get a slightly right state that goes hard right in return also. Bad deal.

For those of us that live in the rest of Colorado with our livelihoods there, this would be a grim prospect indeed. I’m 61 and moving to Texas or New Colorado would make retirement very very difficult.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 12:27:24 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Political Junkie Too

I find it highly unlikely any state legislature would vote to split up the state, much less three of them.

People make a big deal of Texas having the right to break up into five states, but of course every state has that right.

AFAIK, no such movement has ever come anywhere near fruition.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 12:29:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: mountn man
"WOOHOO!!! Estes Park is in Larimer County.

I love it there. Wouldn't mind finding me a piece of land and building a log home there, when retirement time comes around.
"

I wouldn't, but that's just me. See the regulations behind planning, building, etc.

http://larimer.org/planning/

If you can afford to have something built in New York City, you can probably have it done by the approved, authorized, licensed people in Colorado (mostly folks recently descended from around New York, originally, and foreign countries shortly before that, including those who hopped briefly to California before moving to Colorado). Oh, and can you speak German or Italian?


24 posted on 07/14/2013 12:40:41 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sherman Logan
True. New states have always come from unincorporated territories.

It's one thing for a single state to be split into two states. It's quite another for 3 or 4 states to be involved, each giving up counties to form a single new state.

-PJ

25 posted on 07/14/2013 12:42:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

With, of course, the exception of WV.

But those were rather special circumstances. :)


26 posted on 07/14/2013 12:44:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
His Post too soon.

I'm not a big fan of talking one's self out of action because the desired outcome is impossible or "highly unlikely" in our politically charged era. Too many times, it's the Republicans who cave, while Democrats never give up.

I'm for undertaking the exercise against all odds, if only for the spectacle of it all.

Besides, one never knows what might happen once the parties are engaged, yet I can guarantee that the result will never happen if nobody ever tries.

-PJ

27 posted on 07/14/2013 12:45:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Amen, bro'!

This caught my eye in an otherwise good column:

And the reason that the experiment seems to be rapidly failing in the 21st Century is that we have elected leaders who hold utopian ambitions rather than humble wisdom.

The experiment was corrupted a hundred years ago. It is illogical to compare our governing document of today with that of 1791.

Why are the well known dangers of democracy, of majoritarian abuse in a popularly elected Congress, some for six years, apparently so hidden from the view of so many?

28 posted on 07/14/2013 12:46:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Kaslin

Not a bad idea, but let’s jsut go whole hog here. For true republican representation, lets free all the counties. Of course, memorizing the 3,007 states would be hard. Seriously, it would restore a representave republic.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 12:48:25 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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30 posted on 07/14/2013 1:06:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: doc11355

Charles County went for Obama and Steny Hoyer in the last election.

The large mall at Waldorf is no longer safe after dark

When I pass thought Charles County I either go left at La Plata and take Bumpy Oak Rod or travel through Aquasco, depending on which way I am heading. We waited a long time in Southern Maryland for a Cracker Barrel, what we got was a Crackerless Barrel that isn’t fit to eat at. The one in Lexington Park is ok so far.

Yes Waldorf has become a crap hole. The shadow moved in.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 1:14:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: peggybac
"Which counties are they speaking about?"

The truth is that 13 counties are considering it. I've searched in and behind every article about the issue to find the names of them but never found the names of all of those counties. The only named counties that I've found--7 of them--are all in the windy flatland near the Nebraska and northeast Kansas borders.

The initial issue was that business and political leaders don't want windmills in those counties ("open space," sustainable growth, property values, bird habitats, WAUBRA disease, etc.), while the government subsidizes big energy company wind turbines with new regulations that, in effect, have customers paying the higher bills. The secession discussions have become an effort to publicize the general area to bring more people in for revenues/debt through real estate sales and associated taxes, fees, land use regulations and building regulations.


32 posted on 07/14/2013 1:14:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Congress has to approve the creation of a new state?


33 posted on 07/14/2013 1:20:34 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Sherman Logan
I find it highly unlikely any state legislature would vote to split up the state, much less three of them

True. But if such an event were to happen, the hard left would go nuts. They would squeal because it might start a trend.

34 posted on 07/14/2013 1:44:59 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: Kaslin

If the federal government were still a government with enumerated powers as specified in the Constitution, the idea of a 51st state would make sense. But with fedzilla smothering every state in the union, what’s the point of creating a new state that would be suffocated? Instead, they should secede and form their own country.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 1:49:07 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: clintonh8r

Don’t leave us out here in Brevard County. We are surrounded.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 1:50:03 PM PDT by Cannoneer (The purpose of power is to maintain power.)
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To: clintonh8r
Well, the ol' Republic of West Florida didn't last too long before.
37 posted on 07/14/2013 1:50:59 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: mountn man

We visited EP twice in the last four years as our son was attending CU in Boulder. If you move to EP, you should open a T-Shirt store, a tourist trinket shop, or an ice cream parlor. There’s a huge shortage of these businesses there.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 1:53:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: doc11355

Delmarva should be it’s own state. Just separate everything in DE, MD and VA below the C & D canal.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 2:02:49 PM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: gleeaikin

We’d be better trading Puerto Rico for North Colorado, at least in PR we have a ~chance~ of winning!


40 posted on 07/14/2013 2:13:56 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: tbw2

Article 4, Section 3:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 2:32:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
As I was reading your post, I was thinking, "why would I open a t-shirt shop?" LOL!!!

Whats great is that there is a hot dog and pizza joint downtown, called Chicagos Best. Well, I live in the Chicago area and worked at a hot dog joint for a couple of years while going to college. The one thing being from Chicago and my girth will attest to, is I know good hot dogs. And Chicagos Best is like a little home away from home. The pizzas okay, but the hot dogs and cheese fries are very good. The EYEtalian beeeef is good to.

If they ever closed up shop, a hot dog joint might just be what I need for the retirement years :)

42 posted on 07/14/2013 2:33:01 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Theoria
True enough, but some of us would be willing to give it another chance!

;^)

43 posted on 07/14/2013 3:05:01 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: Kaslin
Back for later...



44 posted on 07/14/2013 3:12:31 PM PDT by rdb3 (Be aware that when it hits the fan, it won't be evenly spread.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Yes. But then the rest of Colorado goes hard left.

It's not just northeastern Colorado that's conservative, it's MOST of the state. The trouble is, the two most liberal counties, Denver and Boulder, are first and fourth (I believe) most populous. I think El Paso County is second or third most populous, and it's one of the most conservative counties. The trouble for the past ten years has been that 1) conservatives have sat at home and 2) voter fraud takes place in Denver. Despite voter fraud, though, we could take back this state if conservatives would stop whining and get the heck off the couch on election day. We still have a majority, just not a majority of the motivated.

Oh, and add to that the fact that many foolish conservatives were fooled by Hickenplopper's "moderate" stance. There's no such thing as a "moderate Democrat" anymore. I think people are finally getting that.

I refuse to give up on this state. I look at the photos of the Estes Valley that someone posted in this thread and I'm compelled to fight. This is much too beautiful a place to let leftists have their way with it.


45 posted on 07/14/2013 3:14:24 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Mouton

YES! We live just over the border in GA, up a couple miles off of US 41. Would love to ba part of a conservative state.


46 posted on 07/14/2013 3:33:11 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Seaplaner

Nebrakancol?


47 posted on 07/14/2013 4:25:21 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: reg45

Why not go visit it again ? You won’t be able to in another 60.


48 posted on 07/14/2013 4:25:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Cinnamontea

We could build a concertina wire wall around Denver, up the turnpike and around Boulder, and let them have a State. They could call it Hudakistan. I would allow six months for normal people to emigrate—but no lobbyists, agency employees, social workers, shrinks or teachers. Then, they could happily vote themselves all the statism and redistribution amongst themselves that they want.

Colorado would be a pretty nice place.


49 posted on 07/14/2013 5:11:32 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Kaslin

What KS and NE counties? All I see are the CO counties mentioned, that have already been reported on....


50 posted on 07/14/2013 6:47:19 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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