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In Motion: Counties in Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas Consider Forming 51st State
townhall.com ^ | July 14, 2013 | Mark Baisley

Posted on 07/14/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by Kaslin

Newton’s Third Law of Motion is beginning to be realized in western states politics.  For every action of gun control, big union power grab, and anti-fracking, there is an equal and opposite reaction from liberty.  State legislators are being successfully recalled by their constituent voters.  Citizens and parents are regaining control of their local school boards.  And a large gathering of contiguous counties of Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas are exploring the idea of forming a 51st state.

If all goes well for the denizens of Weld County, Colo., come November, there will be an item on their ballots asking them to vote on a new brewing issue: seceding with eight other Northern counties from the state of Colorado and forming America’s 51st state, Northern Colorado.

Apparently, they’re not bluffing. On Tuesday, Weld County's commissioners raised the issue quite seriously at a bi-annual meeting of the state's county commissioners. Sean Conway, one of Weld's five commissioners, said the idea had first been raised about two to three months ago by a group of concerned citizens.

Precisely 100 years after Isaac Newton published Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy), representatives from the original thirteen states convened in Philadelphia for the adoption of the United States Constitution.  What the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had in common with Isaac Newton was the goal of codifying natural laws.

Newton was addressing the matter of physics with his Laws of Motion.  The state delegates were addressing the matter of self-governance with the Laws of Nature.

The United States Constitution was written as the supreme law in reflection of the discoveries pronounced in the Declaration of Independence eleven years earlier.  Rather than promoting some desired utopian outcome, the delegates were attempting to capture an understanding of the Laws of Nature.  Their guidance came from the postulate concepts in the nation’s founding document, that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Newton’s Laws of Motion are (1) an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity unless acted upon by a force, (2) the acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the force acting on the body, and (3) when one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.

MIT’s magnificent physics professor Walter Lewin effectively explains the foundation of these principles with, “Can Newton’s Law be proven?  The answer is ‘No...’  Do we believe in this?  Yes, we do.  We believe in it since it is consistent within the uncertainty of the measurements which all experiments that have been done.”

Similarly, Newton’s greatest admirer, Thomas Jefferson, provided the basis for constitutional law with his own founding principle, “We hold these truths to be self evident.”  Jefferson’s approach to building the new nation reflected the science of those who had experimented before him, Francis Bacon, John Locke and Isaac Newton.  In ordering a bust to be made of these icons, Jefferson wrote, “I consider them as the three greatest men that have ever lived, without any exception, and as having laid the foundations of those superstructures which have been raised in the Physical & Moral sciences, I would wish to form them into a knot on the same canvas, that they may not be confounded at all with the herd of other great men.”

The reason that Americans have enjoyed such enduring success is that its cornerstone was fixed on the intended design for humanity as could best be understood from the cumulative experiences of history in the 18th Century.  And the reason that the experiment seems to be rapidly failing in the 21st Century is that we have elected leaders who hold utopian ambitions rather than humble wisdom.

The people can look at 200 years of liberty to see the unprecedented results of Locke’s theories put into practice by Jefferson.  And they can observe 50 years of Soros’ and Bloomberg’s theories put into practice in Detroit, California and Chicago by the Democratic Party, the AFL/CIO, the ACLU, and some well-placed judges.

One approach envisions the pursuit of happiness while the other envisions controlled perfection.  The two hypotheses are in conflict.  And only one is proven.




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To: Kaslin
i would love to live in a state called WEST New York...
21 posted on 07/14/2013 12:26:45 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: gleeaikin

“Here we have DC, Liberal, and “North Colorado” and contiguous areas, conservative.”

Yes. But then the rest of Colorado goes hard left. It is far from there yet. Will we get a slightly right state that goes hard right in return also. Bad deal.

For those of us that live in the rest of Colorado with our livelihoods there, this would be a grim prospect indeed. I’m 61 and moving to Texas or New Colorado would make retirement very very difficult.


22 posted on 07/14/2013 12:27:24 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Political Junkie Too

I find it highly unlikely any state legislature would vote to split up the state, much less three of them.

People make a big deal of Texas having the right to break up into five states, but of course every state has that right.

AFAIK, no such movement has ever come anywhere near fruition.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 12:29:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: mountn man
"WOOHOO!!! Estes Park is in Larimer County.

I love it there. Wouldn't mind finding me a piece of land and building a log home there, when retirement time comes around.
"

I wouldn't, but that's just me. See the regulations behind planning, building, etc.

http://larimer.org/planning/

If you can afford to have something built in New York City, you can probably have it done by the approved, authorized, licensed people in Colorado (mostly folks recently descended from around New York, originally, and foreign countries shortly before that, including those who hopped briefly to California before moving to Colorado). Oh, and can you speak German or Italian?


24 posted on 07/14/2013 12:40:41 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sherman Logan
True. New states have always come from unincorporated territories.

It's one thing for a single state to be split into two states. It's quite another for 3 or 4 states to be involved, each giving up counties to form a single new state.

-PJ

25 posted on 07/14/2013 12:42:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

With, of course, the exception of WV.

But those were rather special circumstances. :)


26 posted on 07/14/2013 12:44:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
His Post too soon.

I'm not a big fan of talking one's self out of action because the desired outcome is impossible or "highly unlikely" in our politically charged era. Too many times, it's the Republicans who cave, while Democrats never give up.

I'm for undertaking the exercise against all odds, if only for the spectacle of it all.

Besides, one never knows what might happen once the parties are engaged, yet I can guarantee that the result will never happen if nobody ever tries.

-PJ

27 posted on 07/14/2013 12:45:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Amen, bro'!

This caught my eye in an otherwise good column:

And the reason that the experiment seems to be rapidly failing in the 21st Century is that we have elected leaders who hold utopian ambitions rather than humble wisdom.

The experiment was corrupted a hundred years ago. It is illogical to compare our governing document of today with that of 1791.

Why are the well known dangers of democracy, of majoritarian abuse in a popularly elected Congress, some for six years, apparently so hidden from the view of so many?

28 posted on 07/14/2013 12:46:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Kaslin

Not a bad idea, but let’s jsut go whole hog here. For true republican representation, lets free all the counties. Of course, memorizing the 3,007 states would be hard. Seriously, it would restore a representave republic.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 12:48:25 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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30 posted on 07/14/2013 1:06:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: doc11355

Charles County went for Obama and Steny Hoyer in the last election.

The large mall at Waldorf is no longer safe after dark

When I pass thought Charles County I either go left at La Plata and take Bumpy Oak Rod or travel through Aquasco, depending on which way I am heading. We waited a long time in Southern Maryland for a Cracker Barrel, what we got was a Crackerless Barrel that isn’t fit to eat at. The one in Lexington Park is ok so far.

Yes Waldorf has become a crap hole. The shadow moved in.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 1:14:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: peggybac
"Which counties are they speaking about?"

The truth is that 13 counties are considering it. I've searched in and behind every article about the issue to find the names of them but never found the names of all of those counties. The only named counties that I've found--7 of them--are all in the windy flatland near the Nebraska and northeast Kansas borders.

The initial issue was that business and political leaders don't want windmills in those counties ("open space," sustainable growth, property values, bird habitats, WAUBRA disease, etc.), while the government subsidizes big energy company wind turbines with new regulations that, in effect, have customers paying the higher bills. The secession discussions have become an effort to publicize the general area to bring more people in for revenues/debt through real estate sales and associated taxes, fees, land use regulations and building regulations.


32 posted on 07/14/2013 1:14:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Congress has to approve the creation of a new state?


33 posted on 07/14/2013 1:20:34 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Sherman Logan
I find it highly unlikely any state legislature would vote to split up the state, much less three of them

True. But if such an event were to happen, the hard left would go nuts. They would squeal because it might start a trend.

34 posted on 07/14/2013 1:44:59 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: Kaslin

If the federal government were still a government with enumerated powers as specified in the Constitution, the idea of a 51st state would make sense. But with fedzilla smothering every state in the union, what’s the point of creating a new state that would be suffocated? Instead, they should secede and form their own country.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 1:49:07 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: clintonh8r

Don’t leave us out here in Brevard County. We are surrounded.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 1:50:03 PM PDT by Cannoneer (The purpose of power is to maintain power.)
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To: clintonh8r
Well, the ol' Republic of West Florida didn't last too long before.
37 posted on 07/14/2013 1:50:59 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: mountn man

We visited EP twice in the last four years as our son was attending CU in Boulder. If you move to EP, you should open a T-Shirt store, a tourist trinket shop, or an ice cream parlor. There’s a huge shortage of these businesses there.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 1:53:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: doc11355

Delmarva should be it’s own state. Just separate everything in DE, MD and VA below the C & D canal.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 2:02:49 PM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: gleeaikin

We’d be better trading Puerto Rico for North Colorado, at least in PR we have a ~chance~ of winning!


40 posted on 07/14/2013 2:13:56 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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