Skip to comments.Question of the Week: Will Obamacare Collapse?
Posted on 07/15/2013 6:02:39 AM PDT by Kaslin
We have a very interesting question from a reader in Nebraska. Is Obamacare such a cluster-you-know-what that the law will self-destruct?
Well, Ive already explained why Im optimistic about the possibility of turning Obamacare lemons into free-market lemonade.
Simply stated, the law took a healthcare system that already was a mess because of government intervention and subsidies and it doubled down on that misguided approach!
And since its highly unlikely that more government is the solution to problems created by government in the first place, I think well have great fun being able to highlight all the bad consequences of Obamacare and make a principled case for pro-market reform (meaning not only Medicaid reform and Medicare reform, but also tax reform to help deal with the third-party payer crisis).
That being said, I dont think Obamacare will collapse on its own. Were going to have to give it a push. A big push.
This is because legislation will be required to undo all the taxes and subsidies in the law. And even though we have the bizarre situation of the Obama Administration deciding to deliberately ignore a legal requirement to impose an employer mandate beginning in 2014, well also need legislation to undo both the individual and the employer mandate.
In other words, the fact that the law wont achieve any of its goals (such as lower costs and universal insurance coverage) wont cause the bad policy to disappear.
But it will make the law even more unpopular particularly if we do our job.
Thats why we should relentlessly highlight examples of wasteful Obamacare spending. The Washington Post, for instance, is reporting on the extreme measures states are taking to get young people signed up for Obamacare programs.
And when even the Washington Post thinks politicians and bureaucrats are going above and beyond in their efforts to waste money, you know its something especially foolish. But when youre trying to trick young people into signing up for insurance policies designed to subsidize richer seniors, you dont really have much choice.
Oregon might do branded coffee cups, for example, whereas Seattle is looking at doing outreach at music festivals. It only makes sense, then, that Kentucky would be doing outreach at multiple bourbon festivals across the state.
From a big picture perspective, this type of waste in just a penny or two on the dollar, but its very symbolic of a law that is poorly designed and unworkable.
I also think political cartoonists are very helpful allies since theyre so effective at illustrating some of the worst parts of Obamacare. So lets wrap up this post with a new batch of cartoons.
Well start with a couple that skirt the edge of appropriateness by playing off the recent airline crash in San Francisco. The first one is by Steve Breen.
And the second one is by Eric Allie.
The donkey pilot blaming the elephant passenger is a good touch, and you find that theme in this Gary Varvel gem.
Lets close with a great Rick McKee cartoon that focuses on exploding costs, a message near and dear to my heart.
One final warning. Were not guaranteed of victory simply because Obamacare is leading to bad results. The statists are going to try and seize control of the narrative by asserting that the higher costs and greater inefficiencies could be fixed by squandering more money in the short run and imposing a single-payer system in the long run.
Thats a very perverse example of Mitchells Law and it surely doesnt make sense to normal people. But its an approach that plays to the worst instincts of politicians, many of who will grab any excuse to increase the size and scope of Washington.
I have been asking this question for about 6 months now - What will the GOP do when the Dems decide to cut it loose? It is a possibility it will happen before the Fall of 2014.
Obamacare could never stand up...it was designed to crush the economy, not help the People.
I understand everyone’s unhappiness with Obamacare, but frankly what we had before was also a mess.
I do not, see anyone moving to actually FIX things.
We just seem to waffle between one mess (pre-Obamacare) and another mess (Obamacare)
Either fix Obamacare, or leave it.
We cannot return to what we had.
Why don’t we let people buy their own insurance (allowing interstate purchases) and be done with it? Remember, insurance is suppose to protect people from catastrophic loses, not to pay for every little band-aide.
It already is collapsing because it was unworkable right from the start
Not sure what you mean.
Up till now most of Obama-care is the candy with the medicine delayed. The medicaid expansion alone will be impossible to get rid of, and now Obama is delaying a big part of the ‘medicine ‘ until after the last midterm elections of his presidency.
Then in 2016 a new Dem comes in to run, say Hillary who had nothing to do with it, and she says ‘mend it dont end it’. If the Republican opponent says 'repeal it' then she will cite medicaid expansion and how all those people will die.
This is not going away.
Don’t get me wrong.
I support your protest, but we are not advocating an actual fix.
That is my point. Sure we can demand that Obamacare be repealed. But the point is, Obamacare actually made some improvements.
That is the thing. It totally screwed up some other things also. Bigtime.
So the issue is, how can the parts of Obamacare which actually improve care, be kept and the parts which screw things up be dropped?
Nobody is talking about that.
Nobody is talking about fixing things.
American healthcare was far and away the most expensive on the planet.
Bar none. That is among the big issues. Why is American healthcare so darn expensive??
It doesn’t even cover everyone, for crying out loud.
Only after democrats bankrupt the country trying to prop it up.
We paid too much?
Blame the insurance companies .. that were legislated into covering their own asses.
Health CARE is the BEST on the planet here.
Health care COSTS were unmanageable.
Doctors did their best by accepting cash payments for substantially less than what the insurance was charging/paying.
The outrage in America over obozocare has started a storm that will (I WANT to believe .. ) cure this 'problem'
The Rats and Rhinos need the crack delivered to addict the peeps and increase the politicians power. Wake up!
The dems are already complaining that the meany ole GOP will not fund it. I believe the Dems are looking for an exit.
“Well since the GOP won’t properly fund the program, we need to repeal it - as much as it hurts me to say this. Plus, the Senate Bill is not really the bill I wanted, I signed it because we needed something and I thought we could fix whatever fundamental problems we had at later time. I have listened to small business and the middle class and I have determined uh uh that we must repeal it. “
- Obama January 2014
It was designed to fail so they could give you the solution, Single Payer.
We cannot return to what we had.
I disagree. The basic "parts" of Obamacare cannot be fixed; it is an inherently flawed system with far too much bureaucracy and red tape. The few "reasonable" mandates and concepts (pre-existing conditions, buying healthcare across state lines) in Obamacare, do not justify the bloat.
That said, we could return to what we had, AND improve it with just a few small ideas: tort reform, buying insurance across state lines, pre-existing conditions.
The system before sucked because there was already too much government in the mix. It was not horrible.
There's another, equally true legacy statement that applies to Obamacare: Gall's Law. This law was based on a body of work by John Gall who has extensively studied the nature of systems. Gall concluded that "A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked. The inverse proposition also appears to be true: A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be made to work. You have to start over, beginning with a working simple system."
We are seeing Gall's Law play out with Obamacare, which is the mother-of-all complex systems. And the worst is yet to come. The underlying supporting systems have not even been put in place yet but when they eventually are Obamacare will inevitably be a fiasco of historic proportions. A great political disaster, the signs of which are already evident even to many Democrats.
Just as socialism in general is unworkable,
so Obamacare is unworkable in concept.
and just wait until the lawyers get involved...lawsuits all over the place...that will double the cost too...
They want the problems so they can come is a fix the problem. There is noting new under the sun here.
Are you allowed to do that? I thought that was one proposal that was shot down to protect crazy systems like some in New England where they want to force insurance companies and customers to cover everything from aroma therapy to sex change operations.
I still believe that Obamacare was designed be collapse so they would have an excuse to fully nationalize the system. They just didn't expect it to happen early enough to abandon the concept entirely. I was watching a show on Lewis and Clark and it was mentioned that the rule (maybe from Napoleon) for planning supplies was to pack at least enough whiskey so that by the time you ran out it was too late for the people to desert and go back. Obamacare is running out on day 2 of a decades long trip.
Obamacare was never designed to improve health care or lower costs. Incremental improvements could have been made, but that didn’t satisfy the liberals’ insatiable desire for power. Fundamentally, Obamacare is all about making people dependent on government. That is what it’s really all about.
In the end, the quality level of existing health care will suffer greatly. Whenever government gets involved, expect a costly and inefficient disaster. Think IRS.
No it will not collapse, it may be tweaked a bit here and there, but the Rino’s want it as much as obama does, just like amnesty.
Hope I’m wrong about that, but the facts in evidence leads me to the conclusion.
To ‘fix’ it:
1)Reduce Medicaid roles which increases demand and inflate costs, AND invites fraud/waste.
2) End tax subsidized employer health insurance which has grown third-party payer insurance programs. Same problem as above in a slightly different context.
3) Increase HSAs and make them more user friendly.
4) Strip unfunded mandates away from the health insurance market.
5) Tort reform.
5 ‘political third rails’ right there!
The system before sucked because there was already too much government in the mix.
Very true. A most excellent observation.
Incidentally, my family physician “retired” early because he and his wife (a PA) didn’t want their practice subject to the massive bureaucracatic and costly nightmare that would be Obamacare. This was a personal inconvenience for me but I totally sympathized with his decision.
Will never happen. Dems will demand more funding and taxes on the rich and maybe repealing very unpopular stuff.
They will say it makes the case for a public plan.
They will portray killing it as wanting to kill non-white kids.
Also <50% will blame Dems for it failing, more they will blame the GOP for opposing making it more liberal.
Rush is usually wrong and I will add this one to my list.
He also used to say that Obama didnt care about winning 2012 and might not even run, then later he said Romney would win 2012 in a landslide as he predicted for MCain 4 years earlier. Standard Rush silliness.
It was designed to collapse and create a panicky outcry for Single Payer in its wake.
Fundamentally, it is about the fed gov having more money coming in, which they have control over.
The health aspect? Oh yeah, you get a few bones, now and then.
My thoughts too, medicare and social security have been bankrupt for years yet not a chance of repeal.
the Rinos want it as much as obama does, just like amnesty
You are absolutely right about that. Good comment.
We need a like button. The only way we will ever gain control over our own health care again is when we directly pay for it ourselves.
Obamacare is suppose to collapse. It is designed to bring about that outcome.
The answer will be yet more and even bigger government to rescue the situation in the single payer system, which should be recognized as the end goal of Obamacare.
Free market solutions are the only REAL solutions while remaining a free nation.
>> I do not, see anyone moving to actually FIX things.
Including you. You just bitch.
What’s your detailed plan to actually FIX things?
I haven’t put a lot of thought into how to fix healthcare.
To tell the truth.
I just think we need to fix it, not break it again.
I’m not a healthcare expert. Maybe some other posters will post on their ideas.
Thanks in advance.
Eating out, new clothes, etc. will all become luxuries. We are headed in that direction already.
Let me get this straight. Because our healthcare system had problems before Obamacare, we should make it worse with Obamacare, until we can make it better. Sounds like a plan to me.
I dont see Dems proposing that anytime soon, maybe the cap-and-trade VAT like tax on carbon fuels, that one seems to float their boats.
Not at all.
I am merely looking for, we keep benefits Obamacare has for people who were not covered before.
Right now, employers are exporting American jobs.
As a result more, and more Americans are without coverage.
First off, we need to reverse the export of American jobs. Companies need to hire and keep American employees, and make things right here in America.
But we also need to cover those who need it.
How we do that, and keep insurance for those with good coverage, is a delicate balancing act.
I’ll let others opine, how we do that.
Pretty awesome pic, actually.
Yeah, I thought it was kinda cool.
Have a blessed day.
I am applying the Limbaugh theorem, Limbaugh did not say this.
You as well.
What is that theorem?
The country really can not afford much more in the way of increased consumer prices. many things have doubled since Hussein took office as it is. I just returned from a month in Sweden. I first started living and going there about five years ago. Five years ago, I was in abject shock at the consumer prices of everything there. Now, we are nearly on par in many cases. In some cases, I was finding certain things cheaper there. We are already taking it in the shorts and getting nothing in return. Absolutely nothing.
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