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Whitehouse.gov petition: No Double Jeopardy for George Zimmerman
The White House ^ | 2013-07-14 | D.S.

Posted on 07/15/2013 11:08:15 AM PDT by justlurking

Petition for the DOJ to allow the American Justice system and due process to stand. No double jeopardy for George Zimmerman.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[" 5th Amendment, U.S. Constitution


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 5thamendment; blackkk; fifthamendment; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
There has been some discussion about creating a petition on Whitehouse.gov to stop harassing George Zimmerman. D.S. from Florida has already done so.

However, it only has 299 signatures, and needs 100,000 by 8/13.

No, I don't think it will make any difference. But, here's a chance for your to express your opinion.

1 posted on 07/15/2013 11:08:15 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking

I don’t believe this is “Double Jeopardy” Its a civil injury trial. Burden of proof is markedly different. Remember they did this with O.J. too? Am I wrong?


2 posted on 07/15/2013 11:10:38 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

Yes, you are wrong. They are not talking civil liability, they are talking civil liberties.


3 posted on 07/15/2013 11:13:01 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: Don Corleone

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html


4 posted on 07/15/2013 11:14:12 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Don Corleone

No the petition is not to end a civil trial, it is to stop the DOJ from simply trying the case again.

The Florida “stand your ground” law seems to preclude a civil trial.


5 posted on 07/15/2013 11:14:33 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: justlurking

#327


6 posted on 07/15/2013 11:18:40 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Don Corleone; justlurking

In NO State of the Union is it disallowed to use lethal force to prevent your death or injury if you cannot get away from your attacker. DoJ is overreaching.


7 posted on 07/15/2013 11:25:16 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: justlurking

Just giving more info to Axelrod’s political data base. Do you think the petition will sway 0’s political motivations regarding this case?


8 posted on 07/15/2013 11:27:20 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: justlurking

bttt


9 posted on 07/15/2013 11:36:07 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: justlurking

Hey—368 now. Wouldn’t it be great to get millions? An “Arab Spring” on line. Do they have that many drones to take us all out?


10 posted on 07/15/2013 11:51:36 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: justlurking

And it’s also a chance for the WH to easily get a list of those who oppose its race war. Sorry, not making it more convenient for them.


11 posted on 07/15/2013 12:15:53 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: freeangel; ntnychik

freeangel, See ntnychik’s post at #8.

This is a different America now, sad to say.


12 posted on 07/15/2013 12:17:53 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Bigg Red

I kind of think that ALL FReepers are targets anyway.


13 posted on 07/15/2013 12:56:08 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: eastforker
Yes, you are wrong. They are not talking civil liability, they are talking civil liberties.

I thought that "civil rights" charges were limited to LEOs only. As for "civil liability" charges, I thought that Florida's "stand your ground" & "self defense" legislation precluded any civil charges (get out of jail card as it were!).

I could be wrong as I heard this stuff on the Internet! Dangerous, I know...

Regards,
GtG

14 posted on 07/15/2013 2:08:42 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: justlurking
While the case against Zimmerman was definitely a political witch hunt stoked by race hustlers and should never have been field, it remains a fact that from a purely legal standpoint, the double jeopardy rule does not apply when either there are different elements for the crime that the State or Feds wish to charge (Blockburger Rule) OR when different Sovereigns are involved (Dual Sovereignty Doctrine).

Please see; Blockburger v. United States, 284 U.S. 299 (1932) and Heath v Alabama, 474 U.S. 82 (1985) for a discussion of the Blockburger Rule and the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine.

15 posted on 07/15/2013 2:47:01 PM PDT by JohnGerald
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To: freeangel

I suspect we are all targets, but why make it easier for them?


16 posted on 07/15/2013 4:44:39 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: ZX12R; ZULU; zeugma; Zechariah_8_13; zakbrow; YOUGOTIT; Yorlik803; Yollopoliuhqui; yhwhsman; ...

Thanks justlurking.

Sorry all, I should have combined all three gigantor pings.

Multiple polls linked:

(Poll) Do you agree with the Trayvon Martin Verdict?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3043246/posts


17 posted on 07/15/2013 5:07:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: justlurking
Not a 5th Amendment violation. It is called the doctrine of dual sovereignty.

Justice Brennan in Abbate v. United States, 359 U.S. 187 (1959,) cites Chief Justice Taft in the early case of Fox v. Ohio:

“...[T]wo sovereigns had, within their constitutional authority, prohibited the same acts, and each was punishing a breach of its prohibition. A unanimous Court, in an opinion by Chief Justice Taft, held:

“We have here two sovereignties, deriving power from different sources, capable of dealing with the same subject-matter within the same territory. . . . Each government in determining what shall be an offense against its peace and dignity is exercising its own sovereignty, not that of the other.

“It follows that an act denounced as a crime by both national and state sovereignties is an offense against the peace and dignity of both and may be punished by each....”

Heath v. Alabama, 474 U.S. 82 (1985)

As summarized by Justice Stewart in U.S. v. Wheeler, 435 US 313 (1978):

“Bartkus and Abbate rest on the basic structure of our federal system, in which States and the National Government are separate political communities. State and Federal Governments ‘[derive] power from different sources,’ each from the organic law that established it. United States v. Lanza, 260 U.S. 377, 382. Each has the power, inherent in any sovereign, independently to determine what shall be an offense against its authority and to punish such offenses, and in doing so each ‘is exercising its own sovereignty, not that of the other.’ Ibid. And while the States, as well as the Federal Government, are subject to the overriding requirements of the Federal Constitution, and the Supremacy Clause gives Congress within its sphere the power to enact laws superseding conflicting laws of the States, this degree of federal control over the exercise of state governmental power does not detract from the fact that it is a State’s own sovereignty which is the origin of its power.

18 posted on 07/15/2013 7:26:24 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: ntnychik

Youre already in the database, possibly for various reasons but, certainly for posting here at the secret VRWC forum.


19 posted on 07/16/2013 1:44:26 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: gnarledmaw

Signed. Just 900 so far.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 3:19:01 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: justlurking

btt


21 posted on 07/17/2013 2:45:59 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: justlurking

Need to register. Not me. I won’t have any part of that.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 7:16:39 AM PDT by LiberConservative (I took the red pill)
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