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Zimmerman Verdict In Martin Case Shows Justice’s Flaws
Wa Po ^ | 7/15/13 | Ruth Marcus

Posted on 07/15/2013 3:01:59 PM PDT by Lmo56

Did the system work? Was justice served? We like to think of those questions as identical. After all, the point of a criminal justice system is to dispense justice. But with the acquittal of George Zimmerman on charges of murdering Trayvon Martin, the system worked, yet justice fell short. This outcome is simultaneously sad but healthy — sad because a 17-year-old boy is dead and his killer walks free; healthy because the verdict seems justified as a matter of law ...

... No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death. Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: justice; martin; zimmerman
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... the system worked, yet justice fell short ...

WTF? If the system worked, justice was served ...

... No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death. Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

Who the hell is she - the "Amazing Kreskin" ??? She has absolutely NO IDEA what Zimmerman would have done ...

And, FYI, she's got a law degree - if you can believe that ...

1 posted on 07/15/2013 3:01:59 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56

Wonder how uncomfortable it must be for these folks, going this long without a diaper change.


2 posted on 07/15/2013 3:03:42 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Lmo56

Mr. Zimmerman did not know Mr. Martin had been “returning from a Seven-Eleven”.

That “factoid” plays as little weight in this episode as Mr. Martin’s skin color.


3 posted on 07/15/2013 3:03:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Lmo56
If the system worked, justice was served ...

That isn't always true. The legal system is there for a reason, but it can balance everything and account for all nuances.

4 posted on 07/15/2013 3:05:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Lmo56

Them Washington Post is supposed to be a serious newspaper.

How can it be so ignorant of the facts in this case?


5 posted on 07/15/2013 3:07:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Lmo56

Close. That it went to trial shows the flaws. That he was acquitted shows the system works.


6 posted on 07/15/2013 3:08:01 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: a fool in paradise

RE: the system worked, yet justice fell short

Does the author have any new, compelling evidence that was not already presented to show that Zimmerman acted out of no other motive than SELF-DEFENSE?

I’ve asked this question to my liberal friends who want “JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON” : “What if you were being pounded to within an inch of your life and your head smashed on the pavement, would you just lie there and let the one punching you continue?”

None of them could give me a good answer.

Maybe this author has a better one...


7 posted on 07/15/2013 3:08:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Lmo56

I’m sick of the lies and distortions. It’s real plain and simple, regardless anything else, there came a point in time when Trayvon decided to give Z a beatdown and that didn’t work out for the child-thug.


8 posted on 07/15/2013 3:08:22 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Lmo56

>> No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death.

You’re right, Ruth! It sure did!

Trayvon Martin considered Zimmerman a “creepy ass (white) cracker”, which led the racist black thug Trayvon Martin into an unprovoked attack on the innocent George Zimmerman.

An attack that *almost* took his life, until he shot the thug in self defense.

And... unlike your fantasy about what happened, *my* description actually comes with *evidence* to back it up!


9 posted on 07/15/2013 3:08:41 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Lmo56
I long ago developed an unshakable attitude on an important point...if the Compost,or the NY Slimes,is in favor of it,I oppose it.If they oppose it,I'm in favor of it.Since I developed it that attitude has *never* let me down.

Not once.

10 posted on 07/15/2013 3:09:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Lmo56

Dirty Little secret the Wash Post will never print:

MANY blacks, if in Zimmerman’s position of having their head bashed would have not hesitated a bit in defending their life by ending Trayon Martin’s.( Black men I work with have told me)

The difference, in the above scenario, is NOT ONE MEDIA/CIVIL RIGHTS HUSTLER would have cared one iota about the black on black violence.


11 posted on 07/15/2013 3:09:36 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Lmo56

I know, all I hear from the leftists articles that are posted is: “I think” this and “I’m sure” that and “maybe” and now “Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager” and I’m thinking....and they know this ....how????????


12 posted on 07/15/2013 3:09:37 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.)
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To: Lmo56
No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death. Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

I don't think race has anything to do with it. I think both white and black kids are capable op sucker punching people and bashing their heads against concrete walks?

13 posted on 07/15/2013 3:10:05 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Lmo56

I thought TAX MONEY paid for busing in of the DOJ Protesters

DOJ didn’t get any bang for (OUR) buck .... sheesh

TT


14 posted on 07/15/2013 3:10:52 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Lmo56
Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven

LOL! He would have if that white kid was skulking around the backyards of the houses.

They keep repeating this meme like little poor little innocent Martin was walking down the sidewalk in plain view.

15 posted on 07/15/2013 3:11:35 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death.

Right on that point,as confirmed by Miss Slim Jeans herself.

"Cracker".

16 posted on 07/15/2013 3:11:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: RWB Patriot

this is what happens to people who never fart


17 posted on 07/15/2013 3:12:01 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Lmo56

She’s a commie racist and nothing will convince her that she is the only one white person who is not racist. Her feigned outrage is to further the agenda.

Pray for America to Wake Up


18 posted on 07/15/2013 3:13:51 PM PDT by bray (Coming soon: The Republic of Texas 2022)
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To: Lmo56

I can understand those close to the issue in some way being upset, but as to all those who are supposed to be detached, it’s like they didn’t pay attention to the known facts of the case. I know, I know, they’re pushing an agenda, but it makes them look dumb.


19 posted on 07/15/2013 3:14:02 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Lmo56
No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death. Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

In the dark, I wonder if he could even tell he was black? On the 911 recording, Z did say "I think he is black."

Aside, this journalist is making an assumption that has been on the news is true, which has been a problem in this case.

20 posted on 07/15/2013 3:15:15 PM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Lmo56
sure does... proves he NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED!!!
21 posted on 07/15/2013 3:15:28 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: a fool in paradise

If a clairvoyant Zimmerman did know that Mr. Martin was carrying two of the ingredients for Lean, http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=75112, lacking only the cough syrup, he may actually have been more focused on what Martin was doing.


22 posted on 07/15/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Well put. Very well put.


23 posted on 07/15/2013 3:16:38 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: Lmo56

I am getting sick and tired of reading where these politicians are denouncing the verdict. As citizens we are expected to accept the rule of law and the jury’s verdict. If we have to accept these things so should they.


24 posted on 07/15/2013 3:18:44 PM PDT by ~Pandora
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To: SeekAndFind

........yeah, I hit a guy many moons ago and he went into a coma.................thank god he came out! My point: In certain circumstances, any ONE of those blows raining down on George from Trayvon COULD HAVE killed him, or worse, put him in a COMA for decades to come. George is one LUCKY guy.

The libs that really piss me off make fun of him for being out there period claiming he was “acting out” and “fantasizing about being a cop”. No he wasn’t! He was providing a service to his HOA! He was out there in the dark because his neighborhood, as a group, obviously felt it necessary and asked him, or it was his turn, or whatever ! If not him, it likely could have and would have been someone else. All this whole case proves is that the system (inside the courtroom) did work notwithstanding that there never should have been a trial in the first place. This whole affair was just placating the lefty base of the democrat party. Period. We’ve seen it all before and we will see it again.


25 posted on 07/15/2013 3:20:24 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Lmo56
Crump has a law degree, too, so I'd say they've become seriously devalued.

"I got a law degree!" "So what?"

26 posted on 07/15/2013 3:23:59 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r
Michelle Obama has a law degree from Harvard.

They're so valuable, you don't even need to practice law to get rich from it.

27 posted on 07/15/2013 3:27:03 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Lmo56
No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death. Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

The sine qua non of this case is the fact that Trayvon Martin tried to bash in George Zimmerman's head for more than 45 seconds after George Zimmerman indicated clearly and unambiguously that he wanted Trayvon Martin to stop. The 911 tape clearly indicates that someone was screaming for at least that much time, eyewitness accounts indicate that someone was trying to bash in someone else's head, and George Zimmerman is the only person's head to have taken any damage. If a white person would have been just as likely as a black person to have tried to bash in George Zimmerman's head in the way Trayvon Martin did, then a white person would have been just as likely to get shot.

28 posted on 07/15/2013 3:28:15 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Lmo56

Big talk for a person hiding behind armed security guards everywhere she goes. Most of us don’t have that luxury. We have to provide it ourselves or rely on neighbors, such as the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH!


29 posted on 07/15/2013 3:28:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: IamConservative

:: Aside, this journalist is making an assumption ::

That may be open to a libel suit by Mr. Zimmerman.

The media continues to dig the hole deeper.


30 posted on 07/15/2013 3:31:04 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Really)
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To: Lmo56

Ruth, live like a thug, die like a thug.


31 posted on 07/15/2013 3:33:04 PM PDT by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: Lmo56
This case is not about Skittles, Ice Tea, justice, racism, killing, self-defense, Creepy-ass cracker or white Hispanics.

This whole charade is about a culture of selfish, evil ignorance and smarmy socialist power.

32 posted on 07/15/2013 3:33:12 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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And, FYI, she’s got a law degree - if you can believe that ...

There is no objectivity, or even a scintilla of logic, in the liberal mindset. They actually believe they have the moral high ground. The ability to live and work for the American dream, being destroyed before their very eyes, is the proof.


33 posted on 07/15/2013 3:34:32 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Lmo56
This ain't about Saint Skittles.

It's about disarming potential crime victims so Eric Holder's people aren't in danger when they attack non-Eric Holder's people.

34 posted on 07/15/2013 3:38:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Lmo56

The criminal justice system is meant first to determine whether a person is guilty of breaking a law. If, based on the facts it is found that no laws were broken and the person exonerated by the court, then justice has been served. End of story. Anyone who believes Zimmerman should be jailed even though he broke no law should picture themselves in Zimmermans position and then ask; what would they have done. Zimmerman had every right to do what was expected of him as the neighbor watchman and it WAS Trayvon Martin who chose to be the aggressor and started beating on Zimmerman for simply doing his job of watching out for his neighborhood. Zimmerman was in no way acting malicious, but the same can not be said of Trayvon Martin. KARMA happens.


35 posted on 07/15/2013 3:39:52 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: clintonh8r
Crump has a law degree.

After Crump pulled it out he ate the Cracker Jacks, too.

36 posted on 07/15/2013 3:48:29 PM PDT by JPG (Obama Does Egypt.)
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“On the 911 recording, Z did say “I think he is black.””

Eventually...after being specifically asked to determine that...and after originally not knowing.


37 posted on 07/15/2013 3:48:41 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: IamConservative

“On the 911 recording, Z did say “I think he is black.””

Eventually...after being specifically asked to determine that...and after originally not knowing.


38 posted on 07/15/2013 3:48:53 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lmo56
Zimmerman likely would not have called the police about a white teenager — even a white teenager wearing a hoodie — walking back from a 7-Eleven.

Ruth Marcus is dimwitted enough that she clearly has a hard time understanding, let alone reconciling, the cacophony of foolish voices running through her own head, and yet somehow she is a psychic mind reader of impeccable skill and training who can tell us not only what was going through Zimmerman's mind at the time of the shooting but also what would likely have gone through his mind in a totally different situation.

Watch out, Miss Cleo, there's a new competitor in town.

39 posted on 07/15/2013 3:51:36 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“It’s about disarming potential crime victims so Eric Holder’s people aren’t in danger when they attack non-Eric Holder’s people. “

Like the Sullivan law?


40 posted on 07/15/2013 3:52:45 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lmo56

I’m getting tired of the lynch mob.


41 posted on 07/15/2013 4:04:09 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Lmo56

If all these people would simply say black teenagers shouldn’t be profiled, they’d have a point. But they lose the argument when they try to prosecute George Zimmerman, who was only defending himself.


42 posted on 07/15/2013 4:07:47 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Lmo56

Ruth Marcus is a racist.


43 posted on 07/15/2013 4:33:45 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Lmo56

No doubt race played a role in Martin’s death.

Yes it did.
Martin like far too many young blacks thought playing at a thug life was cool and fun, It got him dead. So yes race played a role. Just not the one the media wanted..


44 posted on 07/15/2013 5:07:39 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Lmo56

THE ONLY DAMNED THING IN THE ENTIRE FLORIDA JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT WORKED THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED TO WORK, WERE THE SIX FEMALE JURORS. Those ladies are all Patriots!

LLS


45 posted on 07/15/2013 5:24:40 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: MamaTexan

>>>LOL! He would have if that white kid was skulking around the backyards of the houses.>>>

Right, and let me add, “looking in windows.”


46 posted on 07/15/2013 6:02:12 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Lmo56

47 posted on 07/15/2013 6:05:06 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: supercat

>>>If a white person would have been just as likely as a black person to have tried to bash in George Zimmerman’s head in the way Trayvon Martin did, then a white person would have been just as likely to get shot. >>>

First time I’ve heard that thought. VERY GOOD!


48 posted on 07/15/2013 6:08:51 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Lmo56

The Left continues to ignore the basic facts.

Martin was beating Zimmerman to death & Zimmerman had the right to stop that beating by any means possible.

Martin had the option of running to the apartment a mere 50 yards away, yet he chose to attack Zimmerman instead.

Martin was the aggressor.

The color of their skins is irrelevant.

I would say this woman is stupid, but I know better. She makes her living by capitalizing on conflict & tragedy. She is part of the head of the snake.


49 posted on 07/15/2013 6:14:41 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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I’ve called the cops on suspicious kids before. Younger than 17. And white, too.

But they were walking thru folks’ yards and ran when I asked them what they were doing.


50 posted on 07/15/2013 6:17:41 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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