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Europe's Jews Call for Unity Over Polish Shechita Ban
INN ^ | 7/16/2013, 4:44 AM | Elad Benari

Posted on 07/15/2013 10:26:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The European Jewish Association (EJA) on Monday called on all Jewish organizations throughout the world to put aside their differences and unite all their efforts towards reversing the Polish parliament’s decision to ban kosher slaughter in the country, reported the European Jewish Press (EJP).

On Friday, the lower house of the Polish parliament, the Sejm, rejected a government-sponsored bill to enable the continuation of kosher shechita, or slaughter of animals intended for food.

Ritual slaughter has been banned in Poland since January 1 after a Constitutional Court deemed it incompatible with animal rights law.

“We must unite all our efforts to fight this legislation which can potentially contribute to Jewish exclusion and to violate Jewish freedom of religion and worship throughout Europe, specifically in Poland, with all its symbolic significance to Jewish history,” said EJA Director General Rabbi Menachem Margolin, according to EJP. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: eussr; kosherban; poland; shechita

1 posted on 07/15/2013 10:26:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
incompatible with animal rights law

So, do the Poles eat beef?

Of course they do, and those cows are being "slaughtered" for meat every day.

2 posted on 07/15/2013 10:46:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Just more meddling by the greenies.
Kosher slaughter has been in Poland for how many
hundreds of years?


3 posted on 07/15/2013 11:19:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jeff Head

Yes, but I doubt their throats are being slit.


4 posted on 07/15/2013 11:30:55 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Jeff Head; Amberdawn
Actually, beef is not very popular in Poland. The top meats are pig, chicken, turkey, then fish and last beef

But to the point, this seems to have been raised by greenies under the influence of the Green Party in Germany

5 posted on 07/16/2013 12:06:33 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Olog-hai

Curious how different Halal is from Kosher.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 12:23:47 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

I had the same thought. Somebody on FR knows.


7 posted on 07/16/2013 4:04:43 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: Olog-hai
There is a big movement to ban kosher slaughter plants world wide.

The thinking is that since the cattle are not stunned, it is a “worse” death for the cows. Having seen Kosher slaughtering plants, it is basically old fashioned slaughtering. The same thing in many ways to what my grandfather did.

Wouldn't want to do it to a steer hanging in mid air though. Great way to get kicked.

8 posted on 07/16/2013 5:48:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Amberdawn; Cronos

Every animal that is slaughtered for food, has it’s blood drained. In most cases, the best way to do that to this day is to hang it upside down, cut its throat and let the blood drain out.

The point is, whether it is beef, chicken, pigs, etc. they all have to be slaughtered before we eat them and someone does that work. Regardless of how small a percentage Beef is to that, in a country of millions, it is going to mean a LOTY of cows being slaughtered each day.

Canceling Kosher slaughter is nothing but a purely political symbolic gesture aimed at satisfying a very small group of people in a special interest group. People in Poland eat meat, so animals by the millions continue to be slaughtered. It’s a part of life.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 6:34:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Nothing but? Oh no; it’s far bigger than that. There is no question who is being attacked here.


10 posted on 07/16/2013 8:44:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Cronos

That shows the Greens for who they are, in that case.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 8:47:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Cronos

Disappointed in the Poles caving to the Greenies.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 8:47:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rmh47; Rodamala
For the record, these are the main differences. I do not see what may be “curious” about it, given how far back kosher goes at least.
13 posted on 07/16/2013 8:49:43 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Thank you for clarifying that for me.

"Curious" in this case means that I was curious to know the differences, if any, between kosher and halal. I was not implying that there was anything odd about either practice, but simply that I did not know what made foods kosher or halal. While I cannot speak for Rodamala, I believe he meant the same thing.

14 posted on 07/16/2013 9:17:20 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: Olog-hai
Who is being attacked? Are you talking about the animals that we eat for food? Of course we kill them. It is done in the most econoimical way possible so as not to negatively impact the taste. If a person is siadistic about it as a handler, they do not last long...it impacts the taste, and it impacts the bottom line. If folks do not like that, they are free to do it themsleves. But that it messy, bloody work, so most people prefer to have others o it for them. If you consider doing that an "attack," then there is no sense talking about it because such notions are so divporced from reality that there could be no meaningful discussion. As to the Jewish practise of Kosher, as I said, I am sure they treat their scrificial animals beeter than a slughter house so stopping them is senseless...unless it is a political witch hunt, which I am inclined to believe it is. A witch hunt being done to satisfy special interests who seek to fundamentally change the diet and way of life of others who believe it is just fine to eat animals like cows, chickens, pigs, etc. for food, and all that must necessarily go along with it.
15 posted on 07/16/2013 2:59:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

I’m hardly an expert on animal slaughter, but I have watched videos of cattle being killed by bolt gun. They are “shot” while standing within a metal frame and are then lifted up to be exsanguinated. I’m sure there are those who have hidden agendas on this issue, but they are probably in the minority.


16 posted on 07/16/2013 5:28:49 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Olog-hai

Poland has lost all my sympathy.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 5:32:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What would Yehoshu`a [Bin Nun] do?)
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To: Rodamala; rmh47
I believe the differences are that under halal you can eat camel meat, but not under Kosher. And there is no separation of dairy and meat under halal

And the biggest difference is that during Kosher they bless God, while in halal they call on the name of Allah

18 posted on 07/16/2013 11:21:04 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Poland has lost all my sympathy.”

LOL ! It’s not that there was much of it anyway :)))


19 posted on 07/16/2013 11:27:21 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: redgolum; Olog-hai

I’ve not seen any Kosher killing, but I have seen Moslem halal killing of goats, cows and chickens and it was cruel. The Moslem slit the neck of the chicken and dumped it in a bucket to scream and drown in it’s own blood. the ones with the goat and cow were less cruel, basically grabbing the animal, holding it down and slitting it’s neck


20 posted on 07/16/2013 11:36:05 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Jeff Head; Amberdawn
well, the issue is not about the blood draining -- it's whether the animal should be stunned before the blood draining. In other methods, the animal is stunned and unconscious when it's throat is slit and life slowly ebbs away.

In Kosher, from what I understand, the animal must be conscious (I could be wrong, but that's what I understand happens)

As to whether the kosher method is crueler than the other (when the aim for both is the same, killing an animal), I don't know -- the Hindu argument that both are the same, killing an animal, is true.

21 posted on 07/16/2013 11:38:42 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Thanks Olog-hai.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 11:42:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Olog-hai; rmh47; Rodamala
well it is curious because it is one of the many aspects that Islam borrowed from Judaism

Even the La illah of the Moslems echoes the Sh'ma

This is understandable as the Nejd was highly influenced by Judaism (and by Arianism and Gnosticism) -- Medina was a Jewish city.

the Koran's description of Christ seems taken directly from the Gnostic gospels, most especially the "Gospel of Thomas" even to his description of Christ's birth which indicates an incorrect reading of the book of the Apocalypse of John of Patmos (which was a Gnostic favorite, which is why it was long rejected as part of canon -- and even today the Syriac Christians refuse it as part of the canon)

Islam in some ways seems a rejection of Christianity's Triune deity in favor of the strict ONE doctrine. It's also a rejection of Christianity's personal god in favor of a deity that is stern, remote, judgemental and super-controlling (there is NO free will in Islam, no science, no logical progression)

And initially the Jewish people viewed this as a religion closer to them, which is what lulled them to the danger. In Medina initial acceptance of Mohammed was turned to horror when they realised what he truly stood for, but by then it was too late and he slaughered all of them

23 posted on 07/16/2013 11:50:01 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Kosher killing involves hanging the animal by its feet and slitting the throat. Goal is to get as much of the blood out of the animal while it is alive as possible.

I saw similar methods growing up. Grandpa would “stick” pigs every once in a while, though he would stun cows with a sledge first. The last thing you want to be around is a ton of angry steer hanging in the air.

Chickens, well you just remove the head. Their heart keeps pumping for a bit and it removes most of the blood. I have had to kill hundreds of feathered fiends in my life. No clean way to do it.


24 posted on 07/17/2013 4:23:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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25 posted on 07/17/2013 5:50:39 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: Olog-hai

How many Jews live in Poland anyway? Unite to make a symbolic gesture over some symbolic gesture? Alle ‘s gine? Tak y dobrze.


26 posted on 07/17/2013 11:26:14 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Grzegorz 246; wideawake
“Poland has lost all my sympathy.”

LOL ! It’s not that there was much of it anyway :)))

Nevertheless it did have my sympathy after all it has been through.

I realize there's little reason in conversing with you. You Europeans don't understand the concept of objective religious truth; all you know is "blood and soil" and the ancestral "gxds." We Americans are much more Biblically oriented (though we have our own "blood and soilers" as well), which is why we are pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. This represents the Objective G-d rather than the local and subjective "gxds" of the ancestors. To many Europeans the Bible means nothing and the Jews are merely enemies who are blamed for everything bad that has ever happened.

Kosher slaughter is a commandment of G-d A-mighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. But I'm sure that not only is this of no interest to you, the very concept is probably one you can't wrap your mind around.

Rather than fight here, why don't we just bid each other adieu?

27 posted on 07/17/2013 12:45:17 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What would Yehoshu`a [Bin Nun] do?)
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To: Cronos

OK. I prefer they be stunned, or dead, before having their throats cut.


28 posted on 07/17/2013 4:19:31 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: redgolum

no, the chicken didn’t have it’s head cut up, just it’s neck sliced and then it was dumpe din a bucket and it kept coming up croaking, slowly weakening


29 posted on 07/18/2013 1:40:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: dfwgator
Ironically, Poland has been moving to the left for all those 20 years since the fall of Communism. While it was only the state that was communist with its Marxist oligarchy, the nation was the most right winged in the world.

Unfortunately, 20 years of EU leftists’ propaganda did its job. For instance, graphic scenes of animals lying in a pool of blood with their throats being cut with a long knife can shake everybody.

Politicians just listen to the public which elects them every 4 years and try to get the balance right between their own viewpoints and electoral reality.

As far as I am concerned, animals as totally subordinated to people should be killed for meat with no limitations. But, bloody horrendous images of slaughtered animals in media together with the squeaky clean hysteria of top Poland’s celebrities seemed to have altered people’s perception for good.

30 posted on 07/23/2013 4:31:40 AM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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