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Israel Summons Polish Ambassador Over Shechitah Ban
INN ^ | 7/15/2013, 5:45 PM | Chana Ya’ar

Posted on 07/15/2013 10:34:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Israel has summoned the Polish ambassador to Jerusalem to register a formal protest against that nation’s ban against ritual slaughter (shechitah).

In a harsh statement condemning the decision of a foreign democratic nation, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said “Israel is disappointed that Poland has chosen to forbid an important religious ritual which has been common practice among millions of Jews since ancient times. The Parliament’s decision to reject a bill allowing kosher slaughter in Poland is totally unacceptable,” the statement read.

“Poland’s history is intertwined with the history of the Jewish People. This decision seriously harms the process of restoring Jewish life in Poland. We are astonished that Poland, of all EU countries, should be the one where kosher slaughter will be forbidden.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eussr; kosherban; poland; shechita

1 posted on 07/15/2013 10:34:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Apparently the Polish House ruled that Kosher slaughter was:

...incompatible with animal rights law

So, do the Poles eat beef?

Of course they do, and those cows are being "slaughtered" for meat every day.

2 posted on 07/15/2013 10:47:48 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Olog-hai
The banning of schechitah (ritual kosher slaughter) in various countries has always been a subtle form of anti-semitism. Various attempts at justifying such a ban are generally based on some version of animal cruelty charges, whereas schechita must be performed by a highly trained pious person with minimal suffering to the animal.

It involves scrupulously examining the special surgically sharp knife before each individual slaughter (no knicks are allowed or the slaughter is not considered kosher), and drawing the knife in one smooth motion across the throat (no sawing back and forth, or it is not considered a kosher slaughter), instantly severing all the major blood vessels, trachea, esophagus, etc. Properly done, it results in the animal losing consciousness within about 30 seconds.

Halal slaughter, on the other hand, does not require the extreme care of schechita, so any Muzzie can go hacking away at some poor cow, sheep or goat. If it takes 3 whacks to finally decapitate it, what the heck. But you don't see these countries banning halal slaughter. Mustn't madden our Muzzies, eh?

3 posted on 07/15/2013 11:21:32 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Poland has banned ALL types of ritual slaughter that doesn’t allow for the animal to be stunned first. It affects halal and kosher slaughter equally.


4 posted on 07/15/2013 11:40:02 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Jeff Head

Polish law requires all animals to be stunned before being killed. Halal and kosher require the animal to be conscious during the slaughter.


5 posted on 07/15/2013 11:43:46 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

Oh yeah, and the jaded stunner-workers are gonna be absolutely sure that the beast is properly stunned before they cut its throat hanging upside down. Tell me another fairy tale. I’ve read plenty of horror stories about unskilled or uncaring slaughterhouse workers. They have also thrown conscious animals into vats of boiling water to debristle them, etc. So going for “animal must be stunned first” is absolutely no guarantee that the animal will be killed humanely. Schechita at least has high standards to kill the animals humanely and swiftly. As I stated before, halal can be done by rank amateurs with no training. Just Google those mass cattle slaughters for Ramadan, etc. and you’ll see what I mean. Like I said, this is just a form of anti-semitism we’ve seen before.


6 posted on 07/15/2013 11:50:53 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

I didn’t claim it was a guarantee of anything. You posted that the law only affected kosher slaughter and didn’t deal with halal. I merely pointed out that you were wrong.


7 posted on 07/15/2013 11:57:01 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

OK. Thanks for the update in information.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 12:23:43 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Natufian

So? The animal goes through the slaughter house with the smell of death and blood in its nostrils, and then gets hung upside down and slaughtered...even if there is a small stun just before the act.

This type of thing is true whether it is beef, chicken, pigs, etc. they all have to be slaughtered before they are eaten and someone does that work.

Canceling Kosher slaughter is nothing but a purely political symbolic gesture aimed at satisfying a very small group of people in a special interest group. My guess is the Jews treat those sacrificial animals, in whole, much better than they are treated in a slaughter house.

In the end, people in Poland eat meat, so animals by the millions continue to be slaughtered. It’s a part of life.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 6:37:49 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

How would you prefer to die - unconscious or your throat cut while you’re awake?


10 posted on 07/16/2013 7:13:04 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

It’s not like getting your throat cut by the mob.

A swift cut to the jugular is about as painful as cutting yourself w/a razor.

Much better than being clubbed.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 7:23:04 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: EinNYC

Hahahahahahahahahaaaa... “Halal slaughter, on the other hand, does not require the extreme care of schechita...” tell that to the animal as its bleeding out.

We used to have a tradition of burning witches... it purified their souls.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 7:44:24 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

Animals don’t understand speech. They run on instinct.

What is with the new movement to turn FR into PETA?


13 posted on 07/16/2013 9:00:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Natufian

That certainly will placate Israel’s government.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 9:01:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

There are more humane ways of providing food for the table.
Gods creatures need not suffer.


15 posted on 07/16/2013 9:31:24 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

What suffering exists within the thirty seconds (or maybe less) between knife stroke and unconsciousness?

Cuts with very sharp blades are even painless for humans, incidentally. Ever have a cut that you didn’t notice until blood was seen?

This “animal rights” conceit is not conducive to conservatism that I can see. Especially when it attacks the Jews.


16 posted on 07/16/2013 10:14:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Mashood

BTW, I have noticed that those that throw the phrase “Gods (sic?) creatures” around so casually are usually some manner of pagan. Many others have also noticed this.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 10:15:51 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Are not pagans Gods creatures?


18 posted on 07/16/2013 10:21:20 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

Is this a rhetorical question?


19 posted on 07/16/2013 10:22:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 10:34:00 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

Then by what definition is the phrase rendered? And is the apostrophe meant to be missing?


21 posted on 07/16/2013 10:38:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Natufian

How I would like to die is not the issue.

These are feed animals we eat for food. The handlers are not sadistic...if they are, they do not last long because it can effect the taste of the meat...but the animals are not human so the comparison is pointless.

If you have that issue, then there is no sense in us talking about it. We kill those animals to eat them, and we do it in the most efficient manner possible and in a way that allows for good taste and good profitability.

People are free to do it themselves any time they want. But it is messy, bloody work, so most folks prefer to let others do it for them. Now, as a result of hunting out here in the intermountain west for Elk and Deer which our family ate, I have done so on numerous occassions.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 2:54:09 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Mashood
For a special treat...check out these halal slaughterers whacking the heads off of calves and kids indiscriminately. Might take 'em 2 or 3 whacks, especially if they've just butchered 50 animals, but what the heck? It'll die, eventually. Note the extreme care that the folks below use in killing the animals. They really look like trained professionals, don't they? And like they give a d@mn whether the animals suffer or not. That tail-pulling is particularly humane, doncha think?

And these guys really look like they respect the life they just took. Very highly trained professionals, too.

Do the world a totally big favor, Mashie-boy. Step away from the keyboard, take your meds, and then shut the h@ll up. You're an embarrassment to yourself and your family.

23 posted on 07/16/2013 3:13:38 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Jeff Head
Here is an excerpt from an article discussing the banning of schechita by the Dutch parliament a couple of years ago. I have added bolding to emphasize what I consider to be the points most salient to the discussion here.

"...Dr. Temple Grandin, a professor of Animal Science at Colorado State University who is considered one of the world’s leading experts on handling and welfare of livestock in slaughter plants, defended appropriately conducted shechita in an article published in the journal Meat & Poultry last year.

“I have observed that cattle held in an upright restraint device had almost no reaction to correctly done Kosher slaughter that was performed with a special long knife,” she wrote.

The cut with the special knife appeared to not cause pain.”

In some kosher slaughterhouses, however, the animals, still conscious, are hoisted with shackles before being killed, which greatly increases their anxiety and suffering. Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger informed kosher slaughterhouses in South America last year that he would no longer permit the import of meat produced in such an inhumane manner to Israel. An alternate method, involving large brackets that hold the animal from both sides and then flip it over, is being gradually introduced instead of the shackles.

“From my observations, it appears that when good practices are used, the steer or lamb will stay still and not react to the cut,” she wrote. “For religious slaughter it is important to use a knife that is long enough to fully span the neck; keep the tip of the knife outside the neck during the cut; use a very sharp knife; and hold the wound open during the cut.”

Addressing findings of a team of New Zealand researchers that showed how slaughter without stunning causes pain, Grandin stated that the knives used in that study to kill the animals were neither as long nor as sharp as Jewish slaughter practice dictates. Additionally Grandin noted that “in properly done kosher slaughter, the wound is held open during the cut,” an action that apparently diminishes the animal’s pain, while “the methods section of the [New Zealand] paper did not contain sufficient detail to determine if the wound was held open during the cut..."

Even though I do not eat any sort of red meat, I would be very upset to know that kosher-slaughtered animals would be subjected to practices resulting in pain and suffering.

24 posted on 07/16/2013 3:42:53 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 11:42:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: EinNYC

The Poles have spoken. Get used to it.


26 posted on 07/17/2013 8:18:31 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

And who on earth needs the Poles? Or you, waste of breath and bandwidth you might be.


27 posted on 07/17/2013 11:44:33 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

“And who on earth needs the Poles?”

The Jews. Poles saved hundreds and thousands of Jews during WWII. One never knows when one needs the Poles.


28 posted on 07/17/2013 12:36:27 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

During the Olympics? Might need a pole then. Give it a rest, Mashie. Get off Mommy’s computer and find something else to do.


29 posted on 07/17/2013 5:07:32 PM PDT by EinNYC
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