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Zimmerman Prosecution Incompetence
me | 7/16/13 | me

Posted on 07/16/2013 3:27:25 PM PDT by clintonh8r

Please indulge me in a very infrequent vanity. In all the uproar following the trial, I may have missed something. While I believe that the facts show Zimmerman's innocence beyond ANY doubt, I still think the state's case was hurt by what appeared to this layman to be an inept and incompetent prosecution. (Yes, I believe they are corrupt and unethical too, but that isn't the question here).

So here's my question: Has anyone on the left or any black organizations or leaders, had any criticism at all of the prosecution team? If they care so much about Trayvon, why haven't they criticized the poor case presented by the prosecution?


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1 posted on 07/16/2013 3:27:25 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: clintonh8r

The prosecution was inept in charging him, not in the court.

They had nothing to work with.

The man killed Martin in self defense.

He should have never been charged.


2 posted on 07/16/2013 3:29:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: clintonh8r

My suspicion is that since Corey is part black and since the prosecutors are almost certainly Democrats, they are getting a pass from the race baiters.


3 posted on 07/16/2013 3:29:24 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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4 posted on 07/16/2013 3:30:24 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: clintonh8r

if zimmerman got hit, you must aqquit


5 posted on 07/16/2013 3:31:33 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: All

they had no evidence, they had no case. It was a show trial for Obama because “getting back at the system” was why he became president. No doubt this all started in the white house and the ultimate failure of the prosecution will lead to a deeper persecution of GZ by all entities of the federal govt. The fact that lil Traydmark was in the process of a “hate crime” had no bearing on the case either.

If it’s not GZ, it’ll be some other white guy or group that will eventually get railroaded by this regime in the name of “just us”..


6 posted on 07/16/2013 3:34:37 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Venturer
I think you're missing my point. Why hasn't Al Sharpton criticized the prosecutors for doing stupid things like sending up prosecution witnesses that hurt their case; like overcharging in the first place? From what that juror said last night, a better prosecution might have swayed the jury the other way, at least from the way she described jury sentiment at the beginning of deliberations.

It's more in character for somebody like Sharpton to accuse the state of intentionally sandbagging to avoid convicting the "white" guy. So why hasn't he?

7 posted on 07/16/2013 3:34:37 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r

it’s never been about the prosecutor, it’s always been about Obama and he can never fail..


8 posted on 07/16/2013 3:35:26 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: clintonh8r

Won’t matter for long. In another generation Zimmermans will be guilty for first degree murder with racial hatred in 9 out of 10 cases with one being hung jury and then found guilty in the retrial.

Laws, evidence, facts... none of that will matter as we fall from A Justice System to Just A System.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 3:38:22 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Not Guilty by reason of sanity.)
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To: clintonh8r

I heard Jesse Jackson on public radio (while I was gathering intel), and he complained that there was “not a single black attorney prosecuting the case in that courtroom”. He went on to say that when a victim is black, the jury should also be black because “Trayvon was denied a jury of his peers”.


10 posted on 07/16/2013 3:38:57 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: clintonh8r

The incompetence of the prosecution was largely due to the fact that nearly all the evidence corroborated the defendant. They had no case, and it should have never gone to trial at all. It was incompetent of them to succumb to political pressure in bringing the case, assuming they were honest and knew better, which is giving them a benefit of a doubt that IMO they do not deserve.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 3:41:35 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

“. He went on to say that when a victim is black, the jury should also be black because “Trayvon was denied a jury of his peers”.”

There WERE blacks in the jury pool and the prosecution didn’t want them.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 3:41:52 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: clintonh8r
Many people I know who have said the verdict was unjust said so for this reason: they said Zimmerman started the fight with the little boy and when he got his ass kicked he then pulled out his gun and shot. When challenged for any evidence that GZ started the fight they all say he started it by following Martin.

Not one person who I have spoken with who believes the verdict unjust will acknowledge that both the evidence and the testimony of Rachel Jeantel proved that Trayvon confronted GZ which, of course, was when the fight began. Not a single one of them is able, when challenged, to provide one scintilla of evidence to support their theory that GZ started the fight other than to say he did so by following Martin. They willingly ignore the testimony of Jeantel who said the first words she heard spoken between Martin and GZ was when Martin asked GZ why was he following him.

It's scary to see and realize how the minds of these otherwise normal, rational people have been so completely manipulated by a leftist media with its agenda. Scary indeed.

13 posted on 07/16/2013 3:42:37 PM PDT by South40
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To: clintonh8r
My theory: they never really wanted to win. It was better if they didn't! The prosecution could've diversified the jury. Greta asked the Stepford Lawyeress-Social Engineer Jasmin Rand about the jury pick last night. Rand never really answered.

If Zimmerman's convicted, no need for marches, riots, blowhard speeches, martyrdom, Trayvon's law, national legislation against SYG, or whatever else is up their sleeves. Better he should go "free."

14 posted on 07/16/2013 3:44:20 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: clintonh8r; All

You looking for brownie points from Holder?

They had NOTHING to prosecute - get it!

geeeze -with friends like you....


15 posted on 07/16/2013 3:44:35 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: clintonh8r

Man-hating in professional circles appears to be inexplicable incompetence to people seeing it from the outside.


16 posted on 07/16/2013 3:45:04 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: clintonh8r

I’ve been waiting for the “rioting masses” to turn on the cracka prosecutors.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 3:46:09 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: clintonh8r
"So here's my question: Has anyone on the left or any black organizations or leaders, had any criticism at all of the prosecution team?"

"It takes a village" to try to lynch an innocent man.


18 posted on 07/16/2013 3:47:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: clintonh8r; All
I think you're missing my point.

I don't thnk we are - you're pushing an agenda even the race baiters haven't yet - hence you had to post a vanity - - and I can't believe you're really that naive.

So what's your game?

19 posted on 07/16/2013 3:48:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: South40

Of the interviews I’ve heard on local talk radio, this is also the case. And then they suddenly have to get off the phone when they have no answer.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 3:49:21 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: clintonh8r
The prosecution was indeed outmatched, but don't blame the defense.

The facts in the case as related by witnesses for both the defense and prosecution only served to prove the defense's claim.

Mark O'Mara and Don West laid waste to the prosecution's case. I haven't seen a legal ass-kicking like that since Alan Gura tore Duke University law professor Walter E. Dellinger to shreds in oral argument before US Supreme Court in 'District of Columbia v. Heller' -- yet another case like 'State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman' in which everyone studying the arguments told the left wing they'd lose the case.

But, they wouldn't listen and went ahead with the case anyway.

21 posted on 07/16/2013 3:50:46 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: informavoracious

BINGO


22 posted on 07/16/2013 3:51:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: freeangel

Wasn’t one of those jurors “Obama” Black? Seems to me there was.


23 posted on 07/16/2013 3:52:02 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: clintonh8r

Because they can criticize a lot of things, but complaining about someone else being incompetent is hitting too close to home for them.


24 posted on 07/16/2013 3:53:35 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: clintonh8r

Too much if this doesn’t make sense. I think that means we should probably be paying attention to what the other hand is doing.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 3:55:40 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: clintonh8r
Allowing that the prosecution might have been incompetent allows the possibility that the Z might have been innocent. It is necessary to hold that Z's guilt was so obvious, regardless of the quality of the prosecution, that only the racism of the jury brought an acquittal. The possibility was, in fact, raised but was ignored and not repeated.

It would not surprise me a whole lot if the jurors are subjected at least to IRS audits.

26 posted on 07/16/2013 3:55:48 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EcomT"ics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: maine-iac7

I get it but obviously you don’t. The mere fact that “they had nothing to prosecute” normally wouldn’t matter to somebody like Sharpton, who normally condemns everything in sight, yet he has let the prosecutors off the hook. Get it?


27 posted on 07/16/2013 3:56:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r
The prosecution appeared incompetent during the actual courtroom testimony because virtually all the facts showed Zimmerman defended himself against felony assault and great bodily harm.

The prosecutor was unable to fabricate other evidence, so every question would backfire and exonerate Zimmerman. Thus he ignored areas and passed on things he thought would backfire the most.

It looked like incompetence, but it was desperation.

28 posted on 07/16/2013 3:58:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: freeangel

Trayvon wasn’t on trial therefore he did not deserve any jury of his peers. Jesse Jackson is an ass.


29 posted on 07/16/2013 3:59:06 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EcomT"ics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: clintonh8r

Your premise of incompetence is invalid. They were simply corrupt and unethical. When you have no evidence to work with, corrupt and unethical is all you have left.


30 posted on 07/16/2013 4:01:35 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Chaguito
Putting witnesses on the stand who do not support your hypothesis of guilt is incompetent, as is over charging beyond what the evidence warrants. As I said in my post, unethical and corrupt are givens.

All I'm trying to find out is if any of the lefties and black agitators/organizations have had anything to say about the conduct of the prosecution. I don't know why that's so difficult fot some here (not you, Chaguito) to grasp.

31 posted on 07/16/2013 4:05:07 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r

You are mistaking incompetence with corruption.

These prosecutors were not inept, they were crooked.

They tried to railroad man innocent man and they almost succeeded.

To chalk this acquittal up to prosecutorial incompetence is to suggest that they really had the goods on Zimmerman.

Don’t insult the jury by suggesting that they would have convicted Zimmerman if only the prosecution had done a better job. Given that they were trying to frame an innocent man, they did a bang up job.


32 posted on 07/16/2013 4:05:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: arthurus

Exactly. (On the comedic side, could you imagine a jury of Trayvon equivalents?)


33 posted on 07/16/2013 4:05:45 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (You don't like the way I drive? Stay off the sidewalk.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Yeah. The only ways the prosecution could keep its own witnesses favorable was for them to perưre themselves or for the prosecution to not offer any witnesses. They would then have to rest after their opening argument.
34 posted on 07/16/2013 4:05:57 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EcomT"ics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: clintonh8r

The persecution was actually fairly clever at doing UNDERHANDED things (Brady violations during discovery, slipping in the charge of “child abuse” at the eleventh hour, low-blow comments in court, etc.

They had NOTHING. A justice oriented DA would have refused to prosecute this case, it was that bad.

So, granted they’re not the highest caliber of attornies (the “A” lawyers don’t become persecutors; the “C” lawyers do); but it’s not like the crooked immoral bastards didn’t try their best.


35 posted on 07/16/2013 4:06:50 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

“Trayvon was denied a jury of his peers”.

See how dumb they are? Jesse thinks when a black is killed by a white man, or Hispanic, the jury should be black. If the killer is black the jury should be a black. According to him, the only time the jury should have any white people on it is when a cracker kills a cracker.

I’ve watched lawyer after lawyer point out that this jury could not relate to Rachel and Trayvon. They aren’t supposed to. They’re supposed to relate to Zimmerman.


36 posted on 07/16/2013 4:07:59 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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“He went on to say that when a victim is black, the jury should also be black because “Trayvon was denied a jury of his peers”

“There WERE blacks in the jury pool and the prosecution didn’t want them.”

Idiot Je$$e: “jury of his peers” refers to the defendant!


37 posted on 07/16/2013 4:08:46 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: clintonh8r
I am of the opinion that the Prosecution didn't want to win. Their hearts weren't in it, it was all a ruse, to try to appease the screamers. They all but threw the case. If it was any more obvious, they would have been called on it in a heartbeat.
38 posted on 07/16/2013 4:09:14 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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Not even when a cracka kills a cracks. The Sharpton et al definition of Peer is Black.


39 posted on 07/16/2013 4:09:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EcomT"ics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: freeangel

If there had been blacks on the jury and Zimmerman was found not guilty, there’d be no reason to complain. So they went for 6 women with white guilt.


40 posted on 07/16/2013 4:10:22 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Yes, and the other cliche they like to throw around is “justice for Trayvon.” Well, the justice is meted out to the defendant, not the victim, in our system. It has, however, become a popular misconception that justice is meant for the victim.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 4:11:01 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: clintonh8r
I heard someone on TV claim that the prosecution did not do enough to "humanize" Martin.

Of course, I am pretty sure that doing so would have opened the door for the defense to impugn his character through his school disciplinary record and the reason why he was in Sanford in the first place.

Blacks seem to be incapable of admitting that he was a punk.

42 posted on 07/16/2013 4:14:22 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Missed the point. All I really want to know is if any of the usual suspects had anything to say about the conduct of the prosecution, that I might have missed. If you read my post you would know that I said that there was more than enough evidence and testimony to acquit GZ beyond any doubt.


43 posted on 07/16/2013 4:16:49 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: South40

we have become a nation of men not laws.
we are raising idiots.
the constitution has been reduced to toilet paper.
anarchy and mob rule.
not one american will be able to fight soon being that every morsel of dirt will be known.
laws mean nothing.
voting means nothing as one liberal judge overturns the majority.

our conservative reps have no spine.

the police chief, the IT director, the defense attorneys, and the jury did the right thing.
the odds of that in todays culture is truly a miracle.


44 posted on 07/16/2013 4:17:09 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: maine-iac7

The low info voters won’t “get” that the prosecution helps pick juries. They’ll just hear Jesse Jackwagon say “it should have been a black jury!” and the morons say, YEAH, let’s RIOT!! People are idiots.


45 posted on 07/16/2013 4:17:57 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: clintonh8r
Putting witnesses on the stand who do not support your hypothesis of guilt is incompetent, as is over charging beyond what the evidence warrants.

Overcharging is unethical, but not a sign of incompetence. In some cases, less-than-ethical prosecutors manage to achieve convictions on lesser offenses by virtue of their also having charged more serious ones. As for asking witnesses questions which favor the defense, if an ethical prosecutor is presenting a case where the facts may or may not justify conviction but are close enough to present a legitimate judgment call, there would be nothing wrong with the prosecutor trying to conduct a fair and balanced inquiry, and being willing to follow where the facts led.

All that having been said, I would regard the prosecution in this case as both corrupt and inept. The only reason jurors heard GZ's narrative of what happened without GZ taking the stand himself and being subject to cross-examination is that the prosecutor introduced many pieces of testimony about GZ's narrative. The defense would not have been able to do that without GZ taking the stand, but the prosecutors did it for him, and I'm baffled as to why. If the facts of the case were such that a reasonable juror who knew all the facts might or might not convict, a prosecutor might engage in such behavior if he wanted the jury to have all the facts. It's clear in Zimmern's case, however, that the prosecutors had no such interest.

My guess is that the big reason for the prosecutors' ineptness is that any of the competent attorneys who could have prosecuted the case had better things to do. Basically, the same reason crooks are, on average, not the smartest people on the block. If they were, they wouldn't have to be crooks.

46 posted on 07/16/2013 4:18:46 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Yes, they are all heroes among a lot of human trash, not the least of whom is Angela Corey.


47 posted on 07/16/2013 4:19:22 PM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: Paradox
I am of the opinion that the Prosecution didn't want to win. Their hearts weren't in it, it was all a ruse, to try to appease the screamers. They all but threw the case.

No they desperately wanted to win. They failed to execute Obama's orders, life will go poorly for them from now on.

Obama does not forget.

48 posted on 07/16/2013 4:21:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

LMAO....a jury of your peers is meant to be for Zimmerman. JJ is a clueless twit.


49 posted on 07/16/2013 4:22:53 PM PDT by tioga
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To: P-Marlowe
You are mistaking incompetence with corruption.

These prosecutors were not inept, they were crooked.

They tried to railroad man innocent man and they almost succeeded.

To chalk this acquittal up to prosecutorial incompetence is to suggest that they really had the goods on Zimmerman.

Don’t insult the jury by suggesting that they would have convicted Zimmerman if only the prosecution had done a better job. Given that they were trying to frame an innocent man, they did a bang up job.

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Well said. The fact that this was a jury of only six makes the acquittal even more of an indictment of the prosecution, imho.

50 posted on 07/16/2013 4:25:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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