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Holder: "Stand Your Ground" allows, encourages escalating violence
cBS ^ | July 16, 2013, 5:44 PM | Lindsey Boerma

Posted on 07/16/2013 3:28:02 PM PDT by Red Steel

Laws like "Stand Your Ground" undermine innocent Americans' safety "by allowing - and perhaps encouraging - violent situations to escalate in public," Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday afternoon, three days after George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager spurred civil rights protests across the United States.

Delivering remarks to the NAACP's annual conference in Orlando - 30-something miles from where Zimmerman, claiming "self-defense," fatally shot Trayvon Martin - Holder acknowledged that "as passionate civil rights leaders, as engaged citizens and, most of all, as parents," his audience members remained "deeply - and rightly - concerned about this case." Calling the teen's death "tragic and unnecessary," he stressed that his department will consider "all available information" in determining whether to pursue federal criminal charges against Zimmerman.

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1 posted on 07/16/2013 3:28:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I hate these people. They are evil.


2 posted on 07/16/2013 3:29:32 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Red Steel
The State Run Media already had their Talking Points from the DNC BEFORE Holder read them.

Gun Control, still, is their number one target to un-arm the un-ruly Constitution-loving Americans. Da Hood and the Illegals, not so much......

3 posted on 07/16/2013 3:31:05 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Red Steel

Escalating violence justifies “Stand your Ground” laws.

Escalating violence justifies Neighborhood Watch organizations.

Escalating violence justifies carrying a piece when you are outside your home.

Holder just gave the game away. You notice that “Stand your Ground” had nothing to do with this case, but O’s minions keep bringing it up over and over and over. They are using this poor kid to beat a political drum. No one, except probably us, cares that yet another kid was killed by thug culture.


4 posted on 07/16/2013 3:32:47 PM PDT by marron
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To: ilgipper

how dare people be allowed to defend themselves from my people -EH


5 posted on 07/16/2013 3:32:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Red Steel
Laws like "Stand Your Ground" undermine innocent Americans' safety "by allowing - and perhaps encouraging - violent situations to escalate in public," Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday afternoon,..

Laws like "Stand Your Ground" allows us, the law abiding public, to defend ourselves against feral black youths who try to attack us.

6 posted on 07/16/2013 3:33:32 PM PDT by WesternPacific (The herded sheep have finally arrived at the slaughter house.)
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To: Red Steel

Actually, when you think about it, GZ stopped the escalation of a violent situation.


7 posted on 07/16/2013 3:34:08 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Red Steel

God forbid, folks should defend themselves. Street thugs prefer their victims be unarmed.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 3:34:45 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: Red Steel
"Encourages violence". What a maroon!!

Stand Your Ground only means defending yourself against violence that is directed at you. I guess that is just too much to comprehend for our "esteemed AG".....

9 posted on 07/16/2013 3:35:23 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Red Steel

“One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.”
- Jeff Cooper


10 posted on 07/16/2013 3:36:23 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Red Steel

As does inciting race riots against people who are prepared for them.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 3:36:46 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Red Steel

Stand your ground laws allow damaged breeders to be removed from the gene pool.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 3:37:24 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Red Steel
More distracting nonsense from a liberal attorney and activist. Attorney General he may be, for the moment, but legislator he is NOT.

The stats, evidence and logic point to the direct opposite conclusion. He knows it, but his purpose is cryptic, or plain dishonest, many believe purely for the purpose of distracting everyone from issues requiring critical thinking skills.

This lecture is designed to run out the news cycle clock and, like so much that comes down from this administration's Delphic Oracle, attacks critical thinking itself, doubling and perhaps tripling (or much more) it's power to distract.

13 posted on 07/16/2013 3:37:36 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Red Steel

Someone somewhere must be handing out law degress to anyone these days. These people are effing stupid. I want nothing more to do with them. Let’s roll!


14 posted on 07/16/2013 3:40:15 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Red Steel

FUEH.


15 posted on 07/16/2013 3:40:34 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Red Steel

Holder has issued a fatwa on Zimmerman


16 posted on 07/16/2013 3:40:52 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Red Steel

Americans at the time of the Founding would have stood their ground against the likes of Eric the Red. That man personifies racism, totalitarianism and corruption. Eric Holder is despicable.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 3:41:08 PM PDT by VR-21 (I'm weary of being lorded over by criminals and gilded degenerates.)
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To: Red Steel


18 posted on 07/16/2013 3:41:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Red Steel

OMG, defending yourself might lead to more violence. Damn that Constitution! /s

Here’s an idea for the left wing morons - stop the crime and I won’t have to defend myself.

Oh, wait, I forget the left’s response (most of my family are left wing moonbats): don’t go there; don’t visit that area; don’t use those roads!


19 posted on 07/16/2013 3:43:10 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it Punks?)
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To: Red Steel

Stand your ground laws really do not give any one the right to self protection that he has always had.

The idea that one can zap the UPS man on the front porch just because he has been told to leave the package at the gate is nonsense, as stupid as my example.

What stand your ground laws really do is put restrictions on over zealous overly ambitious do anything for publicity prosecutors.

In other words, the stand your ground law’s purpose is to protect the person who has to defend himself.

A person defending himself still must be able to show that he feared for his life and had to resort to force to save his own life or the life of others.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 3:44:05 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Red Steel

A federal DOJ that allows Black Panthers to intimidate voters by standing in front of poling places with nightsticks “encourages escalating violence”. A DOJ that is lawless encourages escalating violence. A DOJ that is corrupt encourages escalating violence.

I get the impression that some types of “escalating violence” is actually viewed as useful for advancing The Agenda of the people at the top of the DOJ.

I heartily recommend that everyone read Chapter 10 of F.A. Hayek’s wonderful book, The Road to Serfdom.

Hayek Was Right: The Worst Do Get to the Top
FEBRUARY 01, 1998 by LAWRENCE W. REED

In spite of freedom’s remarkable, global progress in recent years—from the collapse of the Soviet empire to the growth of “privatization”—there is no sign yet of a shortage of statists with silly and destructive schemes. The best explanation of why and how such people get into positions of power is still found in “Why the Worst Get on Top,” which is chapter ten of F. A. Hayek’s masterpiece, The Road to Serfdom.

When Hayek wrote his best-known book in 1944, the world was captivated by the notion of socialist central planning. While almost everyone in Europe and America decried the brutality of nazism, fascism, and communism, public opinion was being shaped and molded by an intelligentsia which held that these “excesses” of socialism were avoidable exceptions. If only we make sure the right people are in charge, said the statist intellectuals, the iron fist will dissolve into a velvet glove.

Those who, in Hayek’s words, “think that it is not the system which we need fear, but the danger that it might be run by bad men,” are naïve utopians who will forever be disappointed by the socialist outcome. Indeed, this is the history of twentieth-century statism—the endless search for a place where the dream might actually be made to work, settling on a spot until disaster is embarrassingly apparent to all, then blaming persons rather than the system and flitting off to the next inevitable disappointment. Perhaps someday, the dictionary definition of “statist” may read, “Someone who learns nothing from human nature, economics, or experience, and repeats the same mistakes over and over again without a care for the rights and lives of people he crushes with his good intentions.”

Even the worst features of the statist reality, Hayek showed, “are not accidental byproducts” but phenomena that are part and parcel of statism itself. He argued with great insightfulness that “the unscrupulous and uninhibited are likely to be more successful” in any society in which government is seen as the answer to most problems. They are precisely the kind of people who elevate power over persuasion, force over cooperation. Government, possessing by definition a legal and political monopoly of the use of force, attracts them just as surely as dung draws flies. Ultimately, it is the apparatus of government that allows them to wreak their havoc on the rest of us.

Hardly a day goes by that, a half-century after Hayek wrote, the newspapers fail to provide new examples of the worst getting to the top.

...

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/hayek-was-right-the-worst-do-get-to-the-top/#axzz2IcdUF6vD


21 posted on 07/16/2013 3:48:19 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: marron

” No one, except probably us, cares that yet another kid was killed by thug culture.”

Speak for thy self, John Alden.

Every thug killed saves the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Hmmn - perhaps we should arm the thugs and let them shoot it out until only one is left standing. Then let the ‘Drone Ranger’ bomb him.

Oh, yeah - my mistake. The ‘Drone Ranger’ is a thug.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 3:52:16 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Red Steel

Obama, Holder and their people could not be more wrong. SYG ends violence. Law abiding citizens are able to stop violence with SYG. If left unchecked, Obama’s people will continue to be violent. SYG stops violent people dead in their tracks and they are never able to be violent again. It is whole lot cheaper than the revolving doors of our country club prisons that allow criminals to be better criminals.


23 posted on 07/16/2013 3:53:41 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: ilgipper

Not a one of these people would live anywhere near a ghetto. But Holder and the liberals and the their voters all believe we should pretend we’re asleep when someone breaks into our homes and hope the thief takes all he wants but doesn’t kill us.

I include the voters in the equation because they’re the ones who put people like Holder in power.


24 posted on 07/16/2013 3:53:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Red Steel

Escalating violence? I didn’t realize Stand Your Ground laws applied in Chicago.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 3:54:34 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: WesternPacific

The truth is there should be no need for a “stand your ground” law. It’s common sense you should be able to protect yourself and your property from criminals.


26 posted on 07/16/2013 3:55:14 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: marron
You notice that “Stand your Ground” had nothing to do with this case, but O’s minions keep bringing it up over and over and over.

Yep. ABC radio news just said that SYG was an "integral" part of the Zimmerman case.

28 posted on 07/16/2013 4:04:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Red Steel

There has already been a large number of stand your ground cases in the US, of people defending themselves and their property from criminals and the violent. So what is needed is to assemble a state by state list of these events, and all the times their actions were justified in the law.

And the relatively few times it wasn’t.

Holder’s bizarre assertion that SYG “encouraged” violence is utter hooey. These laws prevented not just violent felonies, but saved the lives of many people.


29 posted on 07/16/2013 4:06:05 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Red Steel
Gosh, and there I thought the murder rate was down with the increase in such laws.

Silly me.

30 posted on 07/16/2013 4:13:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party, advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: ilgipper

They are and that’s what evil looks/acts like. UGLY with nothing but LIES/DECEPTION. There’s a place for eternity for them. Now, they are merely pointing the way they want to go.


31 posted on 07/16/2013 4:13:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ilgipper
To Holder: If a green, red, black, orange, purple, pink, brown, rainbow colored, zombie, person attacks me, I am going to shoot that person over and over and over until all the bullets are gone in my handgun.

And, if it happens that I have my 22LR instead of my handgun, there are 25 cartridges in the magazine which will cover the body, including the crotch. That is self defense, so don't mess with me and you won't get shot.

I am sick of this bellyaching by Holder and Hussein and Jackson and especially riot maker Sharpton and any black who would like to slaughter white people.

I know all of you are not going to shoot someone because you feel like it or because of the existence of color in the skin - if someone attacks you, shoot the sucker.

32 posted on 07/16/2013 4:14:52 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Red Steel
Laws like "Stand Your Ground" undermine innocent Americans' safety "by allowing - and perhaps encouraging - violent situations to escalate in public," Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday afternoon

This wasn't a case of stand-your-ground.

But while we're on the subject Mr. Holder...

An example of stand-your-ground would be Selma and Montgomery Alabama circa 1965.

Remember those AG Holder?

There were marches and sit-ins.

Stand-your-ground is a civil right.

33 posted on 07/16/2013 4:21:14 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Red Steel

This case should shoved into the GOP-e’s face as a primer on why appeasement of the left does not work. First they just wanted the arrest and trial...you know...justice. And when they failed to get the verdict that they thought was all but a slam dump (not a typo), they went bat crap crazy.

They fact that they are demanding changes to SYG laws when it has nothing to do with this case is not an accident or misunderstanding; it was always the agenda. The left takes remotely related threads and weaves them together with the help of a compliant media. I talked to three people today who were certain that GZ got off on a SYG defense, wow!

If anyone in the GOP has one grain of sense, what is happening here should shut down all talk of amnesty. Once that camel get the nose under the tent, they will want immediate voting rights for everyone and the MSM will help them all they can. Any supposed good deeds by GOP lawmakers who vote for this travesty will be swept away just like GZ’s tutoring of black children was.

Oh and BTW Stevie Wonder, you are way to old to go by a six year old’s name and no FL does not give a flip if you perform in our state again.


34 posted on 07/16/2013 4:26:54 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Red Steel

Freedom>Peace


35 posted on 07/16/2013 4:30:37 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: ilgipper

BO and Holder are doing a better job on escalating violence among the races than SYG ever could! Sad thing is, we have NO ONE we can count on to put a stop to it and impeach BO and throw Holder in prison. Sad


36 posted on 07/16/2013 4:40:57 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Red Steel

Liberals feel you do not have a right to self-defense.

Liberals tell women not to resist a rapist.

Liberals tell victims not to fight over the money in their wallet.

Liberal lawyers tell corporations to prevent employees from defending themselves.

Liberals fight tougher sentencing guidelines.

Liberals release prisoners due to spending on social welfare.

Liberals support a felon’s right to vote.


37 posted on 07/16/2013 4:41:24 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Red Steel

tm is nowgun control part iii.

part i -fast and furious, foiled

part ii - newtown, failed

part ii - tm + race component


38 posted on 07/16/2013 4:42:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

last on part iii, damn tablet


39 posted on 07/16/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red Steel

Holden said his father had to give him the “respect police” speech when he was a young man and it saddened him that he had to give it to his son.

What?

I am white. I am 60 years old. I got the speech from my Father when I was 10.

“The Man may not be right, but he has the gun and the law.”

“You may be right, dead right.”

Was the quote.

When my white daughter started driving, she got the same lesson.

Holder, there is life beyond race. Put your cards away.


40 posted on 07/16/2013 4:42:45 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: Red Steel

With all due respect, Mr. Holder (which frankly is no respect at all), for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time, STAND YOUR GROUND WAS NOT A FACTOR IN THIS CASE. Jesus Christ on a step ladder - you’d think the top attorney in the nation would at least understand the basic legal principles involved here.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 4:47:50 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Red Steel
"Holder: "Stand Your Ground" allows, encourages escalating violence"

So ?

42 posted on 07/16/2013 4:49:53 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Red Steel

Hey, Holder! Does Chicago have a SYG law? It must, given the high number of murders in the city. Oh, it doesn’t?

FUEH.


43 posted on 07/16/2013 5:40:31 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Eric Holder is an affirmative action imbecile. He has more than reached his Peter Principle.


44 posted on 07/16/2013 5:46:40 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Red Steel

Anyone that assaults me or mine is likely to find violence escalated to a level that they don’t care for.

The standard recommendation is to be careful, kind, polite, and have a plan to kill anyone you meet.


45 posted on 07/16/2013 5:59:27 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Mrs du Toit was taught to shoot by the wonderful Kim du Toit, an immigrant from South Africa.

She mentioned that it was liberating for her to carry a pistol every day. Rather than fearfully dashing from one ‘safe’ zone to another, she was safe as houses all day every day.

That may be why Holder et al. are opposed to it.


46 posted on 07/16/2013 6:01:52 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Red Steel

These people are so freakin clueless. It’s the innocent that are being attacked you idiots.


47 posted on 07/16/2013 6:27:46 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Hardastarboard
...you’d think the top attorney in the nation would at least understand the basic legal principles involved here.

Do you think it's possible that he knows full well...and is lying about it?

48 posted on 07/16/2013 6:40:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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